#jayden ciconia

[levenlyne1]

[minty-mewz]

I think they should be besties

[incorrecttowerofgodquotes]

Ciconia Theory: A Fight that Harkens to the Future

Ciconia Chapter 1: Battle Standard Festival features a fight between the two main characters, Miyao Mitake and Jayden. This is framed as simple play fighting between two friends, however, could this fight lead into something more important?

While Jayden and Miyao are consistently portrayed as being on the same side, specifically as partners, the ending of the novel implies that the two are actually on opposing sides, or at least, parts of them are. Will they end up not just fighting as friends, but as enemies?

The fight starts off explaining just how a fight between Gauntlet Knights would go. A complex mind game in which the opponents seek to corner each other and single mistake could cost you, very similar to a chess game, one that the Three Kings bring up quite often.

Then, when the two are continuing their opening moves, Jayden makes the comment that Miyao thinks he could win in an endurance contest. That as long as Miyao doesn’t give up and stays on alert, he can stretch the fight on long enough that Jayden will eventually make a mistake or give up himself.

However, Jayden himself is always thinking despite how he presents himself.

And in a sneak attack he set up by observing his surroundings, he catches Miyao off guard and gains the upper hand. His bio specifically states he’s always looking for new ways to catch his enemy off guard.

But Miyao prepared for this. As partners, the two know each other more than anyone else could (well besides family). Miyao knows that Jayden will always eventually focus entirely on him and he uses this blind spot to set up his final resistance, one that’s noted to have the ability to take himself out. But Miyao also knows Jayden will protect him above all else

I believe Jayden’s ultimate goal is to create a world where he and Miyao can live happily judging by his words in the game’s final scene. During the final clash, Miyao may pull a Batman Gambit that puts himself in danger and in protecting him, Jayden has to throw away his chance of winning.

However even then, the fight may not end up going in Miyao’s favor.

Jayden and Miyao's scuffle ends with Jayden’s win simply because he can reach farther than Miyao. The simple difference between these two, height, is what let’s Jayden win the battle.

But Miyao points out in a fit of sore loserness that he ultimately would have been the winner. A single punch wouldn't actually have the power it does in this friendly fight. Battler stated in Umineko that even a single pebble can defeat the opponent if used correctly, however at the end of the day, it's still just a pebble.

Jayden (or whoever the overarching enemy against Miyao is) will eventually lose because they become too hung up on the little details, failing to see the larger picture.

[mylittlemiyaomeow]

I hope the fact Jayden isn't allowed to fly in US Airspace becomes relevant someday.

[teratomatica]

nothing bad ever happens on christmas

[elsaspants]

recent cico dump! 🪽

[teochronico]

I liked this Jayden Face

[whentheycrypositivity]

Psst...

Hey, wtcpositivity fans ♪

Mod Jayden here. The one, the only *sparkle*♪

My Pal, Mod Koshka, asked my Other Pal, Mod Chloe, if they'd be interested in joining as a Ciconia mod... I gave my two cents.

Now, I'm here to spread a certain type of positivity... Relationship positivity *sparkle*♪

So... Let's give you a taste of what's to come...

Mod Jayden's (Probably Not Actually) Daily WTCPositivity Pick-up Line #1:

Can I have your Phone Number? Cause, like... Damn, girl. Call me Phone Guy cause I'll be ringing you up like Hello? Hello, Hello?

*thumbs up*, *sparkle*♪

[baiheyurisolidarity]

One of the wonderful things about When They Cry is not only how Ryukishi07 noticably improves as an author and builds upon his themes and ideas from his previous works, but also how each successive work gets more blatantly queer than the last.

Higurashi has quite a bit of plausable deniability on whether its characters are lgbtq. The most obvious ones are Furude Rika and Houjou Satoko for each other, but this can plausibly be denied by someone who doesn't see it without too much of a strech in the original eight episodes. Personally I'd argue that literally the entire main cast of girls are lgbtq of some kind except maybe Hanyuu, but each of those arguments do require interpretation. This is Higurashi from 2002.

Umineko gets more blatant with explicitly queer characters, more often on the magic side but there are some on the human side as well. It's a coinflip on whether Zepar or Furfur is trans (though some clowns will use real life voice actors to try to give a definitive answer). Bernkastel and Lambdadelta are notorious toxic witch lesbians. Furudo Erika and Dlanor are in a less explicit relationship that's a bit dicey at times and coming after Furudo Erika's unpleasant breakup with her boyfriend. Williard seems to be in a relationship with Ushiromiya Lion by the end even as Ushiromiya Lion explicitly states they're unsure of their gender and or don't want to say on the matter and Williard accepts that without hesitation and explicitly states that the audience should too. Ushiromiya Ange has a relationship with Mammon that can be interpreted as romantic as well, and with the open ended ending of her future, one can imagine Ushiromiya Ange as all sorts of sexuality and potentially still in that relationship with Mammon if not closer. And then of course there's Yasuda Sayo or as I'd like to call the queerest and most gender and sexuality character of all time. If I tried to count their potential queer identities, I'd probably miss at least one or two, but they ain't straight and they ain't cis even if their individual personalities might be. There's even more that you could say about the themes of Umineko overall that also tend to involve Yasuda Sayo to some extent, but I'll leave it there. By the latter half of Umineko or the answer arcs, some people reading at the time were wondering basically "Where'd all this gay shit come from?" among other things. Some people couldn't handle it at the time and many still can't, and some are somehow still in denial of Umineko's queerness to this day more than likely. This is Umineko from 2007.

Ciconia even with only one episode out and presumably an eighth of the way done by traditional When They Cry standards manages to be EVEN MORE explicitly queer within said one episode. This time, with no interpretation or any serious level of reading and understanding the text and characters needed, the main protagonists Mitake Miyao and Mitake Meow who share a body are either transgender one way or the other with Mitake Miyao being a boy and Mitake Meow being a girl. To this they're like Yasuda Sayo except they definitely know their sex, and like Ushiromiya Lion they'd rather not say at least yet. Mitake Meow's boyfriend Jayden respects this and that his girlfriend might be trans and that she can tell him and they can work whatever out when she's comfortable about it. There's a whole ass scene or so about this and is impossible to deny. Ciconia also mentions explicitly there being surgery to acquire a penis in the futuristic setting as well, and possibly even artificial wombs if I'm not mistaken too, things that are at the moment still medical hopes and dreams for so many trans people. There's also discussions about the struggles of lgbtq people as well as gay moments mostly among girls but even with a guy as well (not listing them partially because my memory of some of their names is fuzzy, lol). There's a pro yuri nun idol squad even who states that love has no bounds and yuri is the best thing ever essentially, you literally can't get more explicit and in the text than this unless your measure of gayness deems sex to be the epitemy and ideal of gayness at all times. I'm not even sure how you could be a queerphobic When They Cry fan without blatantly ignoring at least one work or malding about it constantly. This is Ciconia from 2019.

This post doesn't say much about Higurashi GouSotsu from 2020 because I haven't watched it myself, but that's pretty explicitly gay too and much more explicit than the original and makes the queer content in the original as well more blunt and obvious. Not necessarily recontexualization so much as a potential fragment that builds upon what was already previously alluded to for nearly two decades by that point.

To people who genuinely think any When They Cry work is definitively and undeniably straight...I really don't know what to tell you lol. Like there's room for intepretation for quite a bit of this including towards a cis or heterosexual explanation at times, but at some point you're just not reading the text very well to think that it's all just cis and straight and that the gays are just delusional somehow, lol.

[cardcaptorlaggy]

Reencontro e encontro

Ah não, essa silhueta não, não é possível

Vadia

Não é possível que ela tenha escapado, fingido a própria morte DE NOVO, trocou de nome e ainda parou de envelhecer desde 1983 até seja lá o ano em que Ciconia se passa

Ela é a serpente que faz as pessoas tentarem pelo fruto do conhecimento

NIPAH????

Deixa o cara flertar

Os 2 vão se beijar

Sim, Jayden, parceiros

(@w@)

O Miyao provavelmente sentindo disforia por tratarem ele como mulher

Peak

Chuto que isso é Copacabana?

Praia, mulheres gostosas, falta o futebol e samba pra completar o bingo estereótipo Brasil

Meu deus a música que toca aqui não é uma música latina, mas sim uma música com um saxofone muito sensual

Saxofone é um instrumento né meu como pode

A Myau de vestido

"Se um homem se atrasar ele deveria se matar" - Momotake

Furry con mencionado

Estou sendo atacada pessoalmente

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Relatable

Se alguém me pergunta isso eu não sei o que eu respondo, mas independente da minha resposta sempre perguntam se eu já li Boku no Hero ou Attack on Titan

Ou perguntam de ONE PEACH e DRAGON BELL

Não perguntam tanto de Yuyu Hakusho ou Hunter x Hunter pra mim

Mas eu menciono Jojo

Brasil, aprenda com eles

Pra que caralhos vão precisar saber o meu sexo no RG?? É uma informação tão descartável, se não tivesse não ia fazer diferença alguma

BRASIL, APRENDA COM ELES

A LACRACAO NO MUNDO DOS GAMES

Limite de imagens moment

[when-they-meow]

if you put two chasers (jayden ciconia and battler umineko) alone in a room, what would happen....??

[levenlyne1]

I finished ciconia and i am not okay

[incorrecttowerofgodquotes]

Seriously don’t understand people who don’t see that Jayden and Miyao are clearly written to be in love. Jayden specifically refers to his and Miyao’s playing around as flirting and expresses a happy resignation towards his creeping romantic feelings for him.

Also the line where he states he’s never desired to quit being partners with Miyao kinda makes me wonder if Jayden had the opportunity to leave Miyao and chose not to.

[junpeicindystories]

CICONIA SPOILERS Utopia "Lyrical" Interpretation and Analysis

So I have seen people write lyrics for this song that is at the end of Ciconia, but I want to write my own interpreted lyrics its not finished but here is my interpretation and how it fits into Ciconia's themes:

Independent Colorful/less Rest in peace is everything and nothing we came before let it fall x2 I want to di/resolve I want to run away from everything distant love join another piece I'm missing myself I run away from my shadow run from my memory is afraid another place you'll b

first I skipped the lyrics from the beginning I didn't feel like forcing words I couldn't hear at first I only started to interpret at 0:33 of the song. I feel like my start of this one was the worst but it resonates with some themes of ciconia

its everything and nothing... we came before...." I choose to interpret at :40 like how ciconia probably like other WTC are a time loop? I'm just assuming sorry I haven't gone through data frags yet... but usually from "prophecy" etc from MIYAO is how I interpret

"let it fall let it fall" (I interpret this as some of the defeatist or fatalistic perspective within the story idk guys I'm an idiot) "I want to dissolve/resolve" either interpretation I think would work because some of the characters do want to fix things and others

want to dissolve themselves from their bodies being free from their flesh cage. "I want to run away from everything" obviously because all the kid characters are in a horrible situation where they want to escape from it esp at the Christmas scene

"distant love ????? join another piece" also I lied about not interpreting some of the first lines at 0:25 I hear "to sigh??? infatuation" sorry I had to force you away to go back to the beginning I'm like that. so obviously this might refer to miyao meow jayden

they are so close yet so far in that sense the war separates them. they are just starting to fall more and more in love and yet everything is falling apart around them the world. "joining another piece" I feel like you can interpret fragments or chess pieces idk

"I'm missing myself" I interpret here maybe from miyao's perspective cuz you know identity issues "I run away from my shadow" obviously maybe stemming from MIYAO... prollly idk and "run away from my memory" probably cuz whatever is going on with Miyao there's something unpleasant

like idk yet "is afraid" "another place you'll be" idk gusy you can try to interpret other characters perspective etc I'm an idiot and these are simply speculations. but I get the feeling there's is more escapist themes at the end or

I might be at liberty to interpret this from miyao's mother? her fear of being in the hell that she wants miyao to help her escape from? idk but obviously ciconia is a war story and the kids all have to put aside their bonds for this whether they want to or not.

stripped from their independence to be free to keep their bonds with others and put their time in staying together making more memories and being happy things like that... but of course the lyrics I feel iffy on the interpretation like resolve dissolve relating to koshka

characters who hate their own body. characters who were forced to live in dirty air fearing to go back to those cities that didn't have clean air. so... that's what I think so far... so... now you can see why my dumbass never writes analysis. I'm a rambling moron haha but ty

[teratomatica]

[elsaspants]

I am the night, you are the rising sun