#jain charin

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names and pronouns related to the song "loitering" by andie schoen if you can?? tysm in advance ^^

here ya go !

Names:

Loit

Charge

Crimen (Latin for charge)

Tempt

Tentare (Latin for tempt)

Hunger

Fames (Latin for hunger)

Rot

Buzz

1st Person (I/me/my/mine/myself):

loi/loit/loite/loiter or loine or loitine/loite(r)self

cha/char/charge/charine or chargine/chargeself

hu/hun/hunger/hungry or hunine or hungrine/hungerself or hungryself

tem/temp/tempta/temptation or temine or temptine/tempta(tion)self

bi/but/buzz/buzzine or bine/buzzseld

jai/ja/jai/jail or jine or jaine or jailine/jai(l)self

ri/ro/rot/rine or rotine/rotself

fi/fin/fined/fine/finedself

⛔/⛔e/⛔y/⛔ine/⛔yself

🚫/🚫e/🚫y/🚫ine/🚫yself

🛑/🛑e/🛑y/🛑ine/🛑yself

2nd Person (you/you/your/yours/yourself):

loit/loit/loiter/loiters/loiterself

cha/cha/charge/charges/chargeself

hungry/hungry/hunger/hungers/hungerself or hungryself

temptation/temptation/temptatior/temptatiors/temptatiorself

buzz/buzz/bur/burs/burself or buzzself

jail/jail/jailer/jailers/jailerself

rot/rot/rotr/rotrs/rotrself

fined/fined/finer/finers/finerself

⛔/⛔/⛔r/⛔rs/⛔rself

🚫/🚫/🚫r/🚫rs/🚫rself

🛑/🛑/🛑r/🛑rs/🛑rself

3rd Person (xe/xim/xis/xis/ximself)

loiter/loiter/loiters/loiters/loiterself

charge/charge/charges/charges/chargeself

hungry/hungry/hungrys/hungrys/hungryself

temptation/temptation/temptations/temptations/temptationself

buzz/buzz/buzzs/buzzs/buzzself

jail/jail/jails/jails/jailself

rot/rot/rots/rots/rotself

fined/fined/fineds/fineds/finedself

⛔/⛔/⛔s/⛔s/⛔self

🚫/🚫/🚫s/🚫s/🚫self

🛑/🛑/🛑s/🛑s/🛑self

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Wheel of Time full series spoiler thoughts on EOTW 44-48

A probably semi-regular weekly bonus to my reread blog, since sometimes you realize things on reread that just make you need to yell in a full spoiler space.

I really do, unironically, love how the Ways get used like, three times, and one of those is just "make Loial disappear for a while so he can come back as a bit of a surprise", and then are never addressed again. They're almost as bad as the portal stones.

Min saw things indeed, Moiraine. I'm sure Min told her she'd marry Thom one day, because even before she went through the question-door she told the Wondergirls she knew the face of her future husband. (Fix It Rafe, Please God Fix It Rafe.)

And here's probably where Fain makes besties with Machin Shin, since he's already passed through Shadar Logoth and become Faindeth. Two evils to rule them all.

And speaking of the Black Wind, I really like what the show did with it. Again, yes, I know, I'm terribly predictable, and if you think "I liked the show" is controversial I really don't know what you're still doing here. But, this whole "flay and plait the flesh" bit might be really scary to some, but speaking to your personal deepest insecurities? Now THAT is a universal fear.

Agelmar hates to think any Shienaran under his command could be a Darkfriend… with Ingtar just having left the room. HA!

Giving Jain Charin/Farstrider's name here at the end of book 1 is such genius. I know Ali of the Wheel Takes podcast basically pointed right at him in Graendal's menagerie and said THAT'S JAIN FARSTRIDER, NO QUESTION but I'm not caught up enough to know if she guessed that Noal was him as well, sharing his family name and all.

If I have one thing to complain about in the show, I think they did Agelmar dirty. The whole of episodes 7 and 8 are so heavily affected by Covid restrictions and Barney Harris leaving the production (you can see the Mat-shaped hole in the dialogue), and they're using character death to differentiate from the books in a lot of ways, but I genuinely think Agelmar and Amalisa got the worst of it, both dying.

Egg quoting the line about redemption back into the Light, here, just… chef's kiss. Next book we get Ingtar, and in book 12, of course, Verin.

Rand feeling an itchy spot on his back, somehow knowing that Fain can feel him, is watching him through all these walls.

Egg declaring Rand will be her Warder, the rare time RJ has a character say something that doesn't come true in some way. I wonder if he still planned it somehow back here, though, to say it like that, the same way he has people say EVERYTHING ELSE that happens, just not always the way you think.

And, Nynaeve's confession. Oh, those two. I know they'll work it out eventually but oh, my heart in the mean time.

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A really satisfying detail, in my opinion, during A Memory of Light and the appearance of the Heroes of the Horn?

That it's Noal who is summoned by the Horn. That it's the acts he did as 'Noal' rather than as 'Jain Farstrider' that earned him his position as one of the Heroes. Since it strongly comes across that it's at your 'peak hero' that you get locked into as for one of the Heroes.

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The Eye of the World, Chapter 47 - More Tales of the Wheel

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(Ravens icon)(1) In which we get more of everyone's favourite: exposition!

Rand is pacing up and down the table, Perrin staring at some crumbled bread, and Mat slouching in a chair. Egwene asks Agelmar what Dai Shan and the Golden Crane mean, and who Lan is. Agelmar says he should have been a king of the country of Malkier, north of them.

There were two brothers, Akir and Lain. Akir ascended the throne, becoming al'Akir, and was a once in a lifetime kind of good king.(2) Lain took it in stride, but his wife Breyan was ever jealous, thinking she should have been queen. One day, in an attempt to spur Lain on to some heroic deed that might win support for him for the throne, she dared him to ride into the Blasted Lands and the Blight. He went with 5000 lances, and he and nearly all of them died. Breyan publicly blamed her brother in law, saying that if he had committed more of Malkier's forces, they could have taken down Shayol Ghul itself. She plotted with another guy, Cowin Fairheart, a hero who had almost enough votes for the throne himself,(3) to take down al'Akir and win the throne for Breyan and Lain's son, Isam.

But Fairheart was a Darkfriend, and when their plot drew warriors back into Malkier away from the Blight, trying to seize the Seven Towers for their own, Trollocs poured into the borders. Breyan escaped with Isam, and was chased by Trollocs, and nobody knows what happened, but they're both probably dead.(4) Cowin Fairheart's treachery was revealed, and he was captured by Jain Charin, the now-hero of legend, already known in that day as Jain Farstrider.(4) Because he had been widely loved by the people, al'Akir granted Cowin trial by combat, which he won. He wept when he killed his former friend.

Knowing they couldn't defeat the Trollocs now, al'Akir and his wife el'Leanna gave their infant son, Lan, the sword of Malkieri kings, the same one he carries today, an Aes Sedai forged weapon from the Age of Legends. They went through the rituals to transfer kingship to him, and in his name they swore the oath of Malkieri kings. Twenty fighters carried him to safety out of Malkier, and nearly all the Malkieri people, including king and queen, died in battle shortly thereafter.

Most of what was Malkier now lays in Trolloc control, and the Blight has followed them slowly, year by year. Only five of the bodyguards with Lan survived the trip, but they taught him all they knew. His cradle toys were weapons. He lives on to avenge his family and country. He denies his titles, and he refuses to lead men to their deaths, but if he raised the Golden Crane banner of Malkier, an army of former Malkieri would surely follow it.(6)

“If you must enter the Blight, and with only a few, there is no man better to take you there, nor to bring you safely out again. He is the best of the Warders, and that means the best of the best. You might as well leave these boys here, to gain a little seasoning, and put your entire trust in Lan. The Blight is no place for untried boys.”

Nynaeve had listened just as intensely as Egwene, and is staring into her cup, looking unusually pale. Egwene pats her arm in comfort, and Moiraine storms in.

Padan Fain is mad, and worse than vile. Moiraine washes her hands with water that looks fresh off the boil as she tells them how just being in his presence made her feel like her soul had been tainted, and she half doubts he has a soul at all anymore.

She has confirmed that he was a Darkfriend for forty years or more, and he did things that would chill their blood to know, despite how friendly he was in Emond's Field each spring. He's the one who brought the Trollocs to the town on Winternight, and fed them the information about the boys. Three years ago, a Myrddraal came to him and brought him to Shayol Ghul, where something was done to him, and he was given a mission to gather information everywhere from the Two Rivers, up past Baerlon, his whole usual route. The boys remember, three years past, Padan Fain lingering longer in the town than he ever had before. The whole town wondered if he'd caught sick, or fallen in love with someone, or who knew what.

After that year, he was brought back to Shayol Ghul and his memory "distilled", probably painfully. When he went back to Emond's Field the next year, he knew somehow that the one he sought was one of three in the town. He was visited in a dream later that year by Baa, and told how to mark the three boys so that his forces would be able to deal with them. When they failed to capture them this year, Fain was punished repeatedly, but his ability to track the boys remained true for all that. He led the dark forces into Shadar Logoth, just as he followed them through the Ways, because he is compelled to follow them, to find them.

Shadar Logoth is a mess, but at one point Baa appeared like a flickering vision to Fain. After he fled Shadar Logoth, despite that the Myrddraal and Trollocs who had been effectively leashing and controlling him were dead, he found himself more compelled to find them than ever. He couldn't stop until his legs physically gave out under him, and as soon as he has any energy again, up he got and carried on, despite his own desires.(7)

When he got to Caemlyn, he realized only two were even there, and he despaired again. His compulsion was to find *all three*. All he could do was follow the two he knew were there, until they all came together and left through the Waygate. Suddenly, somehow, the knowledge of how to open it was there, in his mind. His hands moved of their own accord, burning with the fire of Baa's will when he tried to stop them.

Egwene asks how Fain evaded the Black Wind. Moiraine says he didn't, but it recognized something in him, and fled. Agelmar says he can get more out of him, and it might save their lives. Moiraine says she'd ride within the hour if they didn't need a night's rest.

She also says to consider what she learned: three years ago, despite being a dedicated Darkfriend, Fain was brought to SG and touched by the Dark One directly. A year ago, the DO could command him through his dreams. This year, Baa walks in the dreams of those who walk in the Light, and appears at Shadar Logoth. There is no time to wait, if the seals on the DO's prison are failing that quickly.

Agelmar tells her to leave these untried boys with him, they'll only slow her down. She says they're the ones who will fight, they're all three ta'veren, and the blood of Manetheren runs true in *almost* all of them.(8) Agelmar finally relents, and they retire to their rooms to sleep.

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(1) Why the ravens? I don't think we see any literal ravens, which is usually the case for this icon so far. We get a lot of talk about Darkfriends, but usually that would call for the Dragon's fang. (2) Lan's got quite a reputation to live up to. It's no wonder he's so tortured. (Also yes I know my verb tenses wibble during the stories, I don't always see it when my brain flips between trying to paraphrase closely and thinking in the present tense, sorry.) (3) So this is somehow a semi-democratic monarchy, fun. (4) Huh, what did we say about "if you haven't seen the body"? Also, that's not the first person we've seen go missing in the Blight, because Luc, the Andoran prince, also ran off up there a generation or so ago. Apparently it's quite the place for people to run to safety, right into Trolloc hands. (5) Oh, so Jain Farstrider was for really real, and only a couple generations back. (6) Awfully ominous for something that I'm sure will never be invoked in any way. (7) Mo was sure he held something back. Well, I can say this: we've met someone before, someone who didn't quite speak the way Fain (or "Fain") did to Agelmar last chapter, but who we can reasonably believe spoke that way to authority figures, those in charge of their lands. If Fain was following them into Shadar Logoth, he'd have walked right into Mordeth's hands. Only, those two evils are incompatible, Mordeth's whole taint is based in hatred of the capital-letter Dark. No wonder he's a bit lost. (8) Despite literally everyone maintaining the farce that Rand was born in Emond's Field, Moiraine still totally knows he wasn't. She knows exactly who's who here. And who's the one special boy she was searching for. Somehow, she knows Rand is the Dragon.

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Where did Charin's hadori go?

1. Jain brought to justice the traitor who caused the fall of Malkier, and was already known as Farstrider at the time.  So this is a guy who has already a reputation for travel.  Maybe he was away and came home to find everything going wrong, and blames himself for deserting his post.  Or maybe he is disillusioned by the failure of his efforts against Cowin to save the country.  With Malkier gone, it seems apparent that he really embraced his travelling career, possibly looking for some magic solution to restore the realm, or else throwing himself into the one thing that was left to him. 

Hanging around the exile communities where he’d be a hero of sorts, for taking down Fairheart would probably have been a non-starter for a guy who was adventurous by nature. We don’t know when he lost his wife while on one of his voyages, before or after the fall of Malkier, but that probably pushed him on those adventures.  

Now that hadori is a symbol of a man’s pledge to oppose the Shadow and defend the country, so with those prior suppositions in mind, I could see him taking it off out of shame or grief over his perceived failures, or possibly as a sort of pledge not to take up the symbol of Malkieri manhood again until he had atoned or else found a way to restore his homeland.

2. The hadori marks are a relatively new thing begun by the Malkieri expatriate community.  Perhaps in Malkier, the hadori was not worn 24/7.  Maybe it was just for ceremonial or formal occasions. Or for wearing on campaign.  Or maybe it was something worn primarily abroad, or among foreigners, to distinguish oneself as Malkieri.  Also note, the reputation of the hadori is associated with violence, suggesting perhaps it had a particular significance, rather than being an everyday accessory, and their fellow Borderlanders are recalling that tradition. 

Notice that we don’t hear much in later books, despite being set extensively in Caemlyn, of the red/white factionalism and people wearing red or white armbands or cockades.  Because the crises in question have passed, and people have gone back to normal.  But the Malkieri are NEVER going home, they are permanently foreigners, so they wear it all the damn time.  Kind of like the Aiel garb of men and Maidens of the Spear - it’s name in the Old Tongue translates to “working clothes” suggesting that the Age of Legends Aiel wore other things for dress-up occasions or for relaxing at home, but during their wanderings it became a symbol of their identity.  So the hadori might have become for the exiled Malkieri, and Jain never picked up the practice. 

3. Graendal’s Healing during his captivity erased the marks. Age of Legends Healing is much more thorough. Even if Semirhage is the only one who can Heal Sammael’s facial scar, the hadori marks are less pronounced.  And thinking of it, Graendal would have made a point of Healing them (even if she had to bring in Semirhage on a consult) as part of erasing his identity and mentally tormenting him by taking away another thing that represented his old, heroic identity. 

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A thought that just occurred to me

Anyone else realize it’s never mentioned that Noal/Jain ever wore the hadori? Even though he’s Malkieri? Hell, there’s no mention even of the it looking like a groove has formed form him wearing it for years the way it is for several older Malkieri men.