#ive heard some discussion of the forgotten term “isomisogyny/isotransmisogyny” which i think would be a good term

[ghost-avian]

1. the way you phrased that, it seems you think i think trans men are incapable of being transmisogynistic. to be clear, i dont think trans women or trans men are "structurally incapable" of being transphobic to the other.

2. misogynior is a term for the way intersecting misogyny and (antiblack) racism make black women more vulnerable to oppression including in groups that supposedly champion their rights.

3. a lot of racism at black men is about black men being a threat to white women. i dont think its helpful to ignore that gendered element. black men being men makes them more vulnerable to the "birth of a nation" lynch mob variety of white supremacy, and acknowledging that doesnt mean that black women arent more vulnerable in other ways.

4. "patriarchy punishes trans men for being trans, not for being men!" but the way trans men are trans is by being men. patriarchy oppresses trans men for being men, instead of women as they were assigned.

5. "the patriarchal violence trans men face aside from being trans is because patriarchy considers them women". were in agreement here. trans men face transphobia for being trans, and they face misogyny on the basis of being considered women under patriarchy. (they also face certain intersections of transphobia and misogyny, and them being men doesnt negate that. and acknowledging that doesnt mean ignoring the contempt filled intersection of transphobia and misogyny trans women face.)

6. i dont think even the worst, most transmisogynistic transmisandry truther would say that "this issue is with trans women oppressing trans men". the transmisandry argument is about the way that transphobia directed at trans men is discussed in trans spaces (eg. trans men upset at being labeled "TME" despite experiencing intersections of transphobia and misogyny.) and it looks like you also agree that there should be a term for the specific transphobia transmascs experience.

7. this is the crux of our disagreement i think: i dont think trans women need to have "amab privilege" or "structural power" (or even "more structural power then trans men" necessarily) to be capable of being transphobic to trans men.

8. the term transmisogyny is itself quite recent, coined by Julia Serano in her 2007 book Whipping Girl. both you and Serano note the need for a term describing transphobia against trans men, but you seem to dismiss any attempts at creating that term as "social media microlabels" and "personal feelings". i agree that "transmisandry" is a bad term, and i dont use "transandrophobia" because of associations to transmisogynists, but there doesnt seem to be any other term?

the thing about transmisandry truthers is that they genuinely believe that trans women hold some level of gendered power over them, which is provably false.