#its not incest I swear

[dragonlands]

a short defence of incest shipping:

psychology BA (and future psychologist most likely) here! also an incest shipper! my very valid and scientific theory for why we ship incest is that we desire a love where we could never ever be left by the other because we're connected in more ways than romantic. it's very similar than the soulmate trope but for people who like a bit of spice (i don't mean smut here btw). in the soulmate trope you're thrust together with someone new, the incest trope has more of a friends to lovers vibe. the idea of strangers meetcute falling in love is very Straight and Neurotypical, friends or enemies or siblings first offers a less conventional story structure. the incest trope also deals with shame. a lot of people have shame about love and sex! especially religious people and queer people. incest is a metaphor!!! it's not about wanting to fuck your literal family! it's just about liking a strong bond. what we ship does say something of us but it's not usually the most straightforward explanation. also, this is just my theory, there are probably more reasons for liking incest ships. but i beg, BEG antis to look beneath the surface when screaming about brotherfucking pro shippers.

[pr0blematic-h0unds]

I think they kiss tbh.

Anyways, hai Dreammare community :3

Dream & Nightmare both belong to @/Jokublogs

[quietwingsinthesky]

see the thing about reccing people to play the coffin of andy and leyley is that i go 'this is one of the best written games i've played in a while, it's has fantastic characters, and it's a wild ride' and lm right about these things but also. by minute ten of playing, they're gonna come back to me like. 'did you like this so much because of the incest.' and what am i gonna do, lie?

[bredforloyalty]

you know what? i'm posting the fic this week the earlier the better because fuck it + i must be cleansed + come over and shoot me in the head if i don't do it

[chiisana-sukima]

Hello, I love your blog and your thoughts on supernatural. Could you explain what you meant when you said it's "barely disguised kink." This sounds intriguing but I don't really understand.

So you know how you'll be reading along in, say, an AU longfic where Character A gets turned into a vampire, so you know there's gonna be some biting in it? And the first chapter where Character A bites the neck of their beloved Character B, you're like mm yes good.

But then there's another big, lovingly described biting scene, and then another one and another one, and they all go on for many paragraphs with much loving description of how sensual, hot, and/or angsty it all is. And then you're like still yes good, but also "Oh! I get it now! The vampire plot is an excuse; the author has a biting kink!"

In a stunning show of 'start as you mean to go on', here's the first time we see adult Sam. He's shrouded in shadow behind a bright, idyllic picture of his military father and his dead mother, asking a loved one--who will soon die in an act that both is and is not his fault--if he has to do something he doesn't want to. It's spn, so of course the answer is yes, he has to.

And here's the first tasty vampire bite. The ghost is exacting punishment on men who have been unfaithful. Sam never has, so she sexually assaults him, and now, on a technicality, he can be punished because he's guilty of something he never did.

There's no way to make logical sense of this. On it's face, it's just plain stupid. Even on a thematic level, it struggles. She's afraid to go home, so is she Sam? She murdered her two children because of grief and anger. Is she John? She's wearing a white nightgown or slip or whatever. Is she Mary?

Is Sam thematically vulnerable because by going to Stanford, he's been unfaithful to John and Dean? Because by going back to monster hunting, he's being unfaithful to his commitment to have a normal life with Jess? Or is there nothing under the technicality that the monster about to kill him is able to do so because she kissed him against his will first? There's no real answer ever given. The justification for the inclusion of the sexualized violence seems to be merely that it's hot. In either the DVD commentary or on Supernatural Then and Now, I forget which, someone even comments that while they were filming the scene, everyone was jealous of Jared because he "got to" have the hot actor playing the ghost on his lap nuzzling up to him. And if I had a nickle for every iteration of this kind of weirdness over the following 15 years, I'd have way, way, way more than two nickles.

I don't want to make it about ships here, because I think the ship aspect is peripheral. It's not, I think, about kink between any two specific characters but between the creators and the viewers. The creators find a bunch of kinky power play hot or compelling or idek what, and expect us all to feel the same about it too. There are a bazillion kinds of kink of course, but a very popular one involves two or more people engaging in a stylized roleplay of transgression and punishment for the purpose of getting them off, and spn enacts that specific roleplay so many times it's just not credible to me that they are doing it purely for plot reasons.

Kind of gay to transgress so badly two men have to lock you in the basement to be pretend crucified, handcuffed to a cot, and then pretend tortured by yet another different man.

Kind of gay to have something so wrong with you that a man has to tie you up and order a third man to stick a belt between your teeth to muffle your screams while he fists you.

Kind of gay to have something so wrong with you, you have to be locked in a basement, handcuffed to a cot, have a man direct another man to presumably fist you while a third man watches and you scream and beg for--wait a minute haven't we done this all before??

Kind of gay to have something so wrong with you, you have to get double penetrated by two men at the direction of a third man with the assistance of a fourth man while-- Anyway, y'all get the point. This is way too much BDSM to be just about the plot.

And it's not just Sam. Dean gets forced to be the reluctant punisher even more often than Sam gets forced to be the punish-ee. And Cas may get tortured less often than Sam does but I think he probably gets humiliated more.

Despite the overlay of sexualized violence--and oh holy hell is there ever a lot of that overlay--I don't mean to imply that by "kink" or "getting off" I necessarily mean sexually though. There are a lot of nonsexual elements to kink that are equally, or sometimes more, important than just getting laid in a complicated, ritualized fashion. Often it's about comfort, safety, surrender, catharsis, intimacy, or other intense emotions that are too frightening, taboo, or embarrassing to experience in everyday life.

The term "Final Girl" has taken on a lot of other nuances since Carol Clover coined it in 1992, but originally it was used as an analysis of how men use the female protagonist in slasher flicks to experience emotions like fear and vulnerability that--because of toxic masculinity--they can't allow themselves to experience either in real life or even at the remove of a male hero in fiction. Spn, I think, is a very Men Who are Final Girls who are Still Men kind of show. There's so much crying, so much vulnerability, so much terror and loss of power, and so many heartfelt conversations about topics that most men will never broach IRL unless they're lucky enough to have a woman partner who will pull it out of them or maybe a sufficiently sympathetic nurse at their bedside while they're literally dying. It's this that I mean when I say it's about kink rather than whatever bullshit ethical dilemmas tptb are claiming they're concentrating on that season.

The sastiel-directed-by-Dean example above is my favorite for being the most overtly and unnecessarily sexualized (why does detecting the presence of a soul involve fisting?? what is the belt for; they usually just go ahead and grunt or moan or scream?? why the detail that Sam could've got up and left the whole time??), but here, straight from the pen of eventual showrunner Andrew Dabb, is my favorite for total divorce from making a lick of sense.

Kinda gay to shoot your load at another man during a fight over who gets to eat the foot long wiener.

[tangledinourstrings]

baffles me how hello puppets took the two characters that were widely excepted as queer by the fandom (riley and nick nack) and not only made one of them have a crush on the other but also made them siblings.

[knicks-knacks]

"this cannibal murder game has incest in it and that makes me uncomfortable" oh my oh no! we must fix this, we wouldn't want the horror game to freak you our or make you uncomfortable or anything!! that's not what horror is about!! like the cannibalism is fine but the incest? 🤢cant have such gross illegal things in this horror game!

[finngualart]

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[lovelyrotter]

i thought to myself for a good long while after yiffany was revealed whether or not dave wouldve still killed himself if he knew abt her or if he even got to be her dad and tbh? tbh? i think at that point he wouldve. i think that scene in the candy epilogue wouldve been the exact same ESPECIALLY after he gets that single glimpse of dirk as his other selves are amassing. i really feel like he was in the lowest place weve ever seen him at that point, faking and lying to himself for years that he was in love with jade and attracted to women even in a small way when hes just not. at least not as the dave weve been following, not the dave we watched cross through to earth c

and also like. this paragraph? honest to fuck frames dave being with dirk as a true ending in a video game. capital letters True Ending. i swear im not just seeing things. am i just seeing things or is this framed like the striders being together is their true ending

so are the striders entangled down to the soul and meant to be intertwined together across paradox space or what. i find the fact that he dies just after the moment he sees that vision of dirk too significant to not come back cause what does he do right after? davebot rockets off into space to chase dirk down. he mightve had a family in candy but dirk is still his everything. theyre like two black holes orbiting each other

[taintedmind6669]

[kittycowboy]

aut truely has such a griphold on me considering I dont make art for it nor do I evem say the full name

[orcelito]

Idk why it's too much to ask that I can enjoy a show with brothers w/o being reminded every goddamned day that a not insignificant number of people want said brothers to fuck :/

[angel-bitch-boy]

When did fandom get so judgy?

"They would NOT say that!"

"Omg take mother mother OFF your *insert character* playlist!"

"Just a reminder! This character is cannonly (is mean/kills people/hates humans/ect.) And would not like you!"

Yeah. Guys its called joy and whimsy, it's called make believe, it's a little fun that we have here when you associate your favorite character with stuff you like. Why is everyone scared of being 'cringe' gang I hate to tell you this but if you are interacting with fandom spaces this much any outsiders are still lumping you in with whatever they deem 'cringe' in the fandom, just let people experience media the way they want 😭😭😭

[ratsfanaccount]

I dont want to watch house of the dragon because i need the show to fail badly & make george rr martin so sad he goes back to writing and finishes the next book before he dies in 2 years. But a lesbian im following likes it and thats really all i need to know

[all-i-do-is-live-in-daydreams]

had to unfollow a morgana account I've followed literally since I started this account cuz they recently just randomly reblogged arthur x morgana fanart..... THEY'RE BROTHER AND SISTER !!!!!! BY BLOOD !!!!! IDC IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT FOR MOST OF THEIR LIVES !! DON'T DRAW THEM MAKING OUT OR FUCKING YOU NASTIES !!

[gaydogmarriage]

why is there so many god damn fics about characters suffering from sickness and dying and being killed and rape and pain incest and necrophilia and cannibalism all the time constantly in this fucking fandom can you people fucking lighten up