#it's funny bc looking at the choreo credits i remember post heng:garae era starting w your choice era

[lesbiancarat]

hello! you seem incredibly knowledgeable about seventeen, so I wanted to ask you if you knew anything about what specific songs the performance unit has been involved in choreographing? I remember a point where I regularly saw the misconception that like… hoshi was choreographing the entirety of their title tracks, and I don’t see that anymore, which is nice, but I am kind of curious to know the specifics past “he was involved in choreographing stuff, but these days it’s not super common”

it seems like that info on who’s choreographed something is mostly anecdotal? I know dino did flower, and hoshi did fast pace, and hoshi & dino did 247 & still lonely, and the pfu did highlight, because there’s specific sources for that stuff, but I’m lost outside of that.

my instinctual feeling is that the pfu’s done the choreo for their songs from debut -> an ode, with perhaps the exception of lilili yabbay? shhh & lilili yabbay are what I’m personally really curious about…

anyways! there’s a lot of ambiguity! perhaps that’s just the way it’ll stay, which is fair and fine, but I was curious if you might know anything on the topic, is all.

(as an aside, for the choreography videos playlist linked on the carat resources carrd, would the nu’est w & seventeen “heaven” video count as something that should be listed there…? I don’t know since it was tragically never officially released)

yeah that's because it is mostly anecdotal unfortunately. there are choreography credits in the albums, but it's not always super helpful since it's not usually broken up by song, and it's not uncommon for b-side choreos to be made after the album is released when they're rehearsing it for a concert/tour. I know this has happened with pfu songs especially in recent years

I did find this reddit post that compiles the album credits along with song anecdotal credits up to sector17 era. unfortunately it doesn't tell you anything about shhh or lilili yabbay specifically, though it is interesting to see that hoshi (and some of the other members as well) were at least somewhat involved in choreographing up to heng:garae era, and then member involvement (at least that's credited) sharply drops off. I would guess this mainly had to do with svt just getting busier and the members having less time/energy to choreograph themselves, though it is kind of interesting that this kind of coincides with the hybe acquisition (as much as I like to be a hybe hater I don't think this is directly because of them, but i digress)

i tried to do some research on shhh and lilili yabbay specifically. I couldn't find anything on shhh (it's also just a bit of a hard song title to do searches for in general). for lilili yabbay i did find a translation of this fancall from 2020 with hoshi where he says each of the members choreographed their individual parts and then brought it to the contemporary dance teacher. but ode to you tour was specifically mentioned, and after rewatching the stage, I think he was referring to the intro dance pfu did before lilili yabbay on that tour, not the original choreo itself TT

you could try to watch behind videos (including old going seventeen before it became a variety show) from those eras to see if any of the members mention anything about the choreo in passing, but obviously that's very time-consuming and it's easy to miss things

honestly i've wished for a long time that choreography credits were better documented, but we can only work with what svt/pledis has given us... sorry I didn't have more information for you!

(also yes, i was mainly focusing on official releases for the choreo playlist, but I appreciate the suggestion nonetheless! always looking for things I may have missed!)