#it’s lonely in this corner of the bs fandom

[howlerbat]

I’m glad that you enjoyed my tags! I very much enjoyed yours as well. As far as the Breaking Point goes, I acknowledge what you’re saying about 3x05 and I agree with it, but also (from my recollection anyway, it’s been a while since I rewatched) 3x05 was more of Billy attempting to make a (for lack of a better term) professional connection with Flint. Going like “hey, can we talk strategy? because I’m not sure about this…” and obviously there’s not NOTHING personal in that request or in Flint shutting it down, and I think that was also a very pivotal moment, but Billy tried the professional connection thing again with Flint in 4x01, so he hadn’t completely lost hope in that department yet. What makes me view 3x03 as The Moment is that it was the last time that Billy tried to connect with Flint in a very personal and vulnerable way - attempting to check in on him emotionally - and to have THAT shut down, I think, destroyed the potential for true reconciliation irreparably.

Haven’t really looked at it that way but you’re right, after 3x03 Billy very much tries to maintain a professional distance through all their interactions (even if he does it through gritted teeth). I singled out 3x05 to myself as more of a ‘last opportunity for Flint to get Billy on his side’ because he starts promoting Silver pretty quickly after this. And even though Billy still wants to use Flint’s talents and reputation to their advantage and goes along with him, he starts to separate himself from his Goal aka the Fall of the British Empire. So if 3x03 is him giving up on understanding Flint as a person, 3x05 is him doubting him as a leader because there’s a fundamental difference in how they see this War (for Billy it ends with liberating Nassau, for Flint it STARTS with liberating Nassau).

It’s hard to point to a single moment as the breaking point of this relationship because it’s THEM and because it was never really that good to begin with. It was less of a break and more of a gradual tear of a rope that was sprung up too tight. Chances are Flint could still reach an agreement with him even in s4 but that would require him to be very… un-Flint.

[supercalime]

i heard about the whole jatp drama, and i totally get your worries in that regard 😭 sooo often a show has something great going for itself, just for the creators to fuck up so badly that it's almost unfathomable sksksk (also looking at the umbrella academy season 4 disaster). gotta say that at this point, i think i will leave 911 behind fr if bucktommy aren't together anymore. i am out with one foot simply because i only watch certain storylines while skipping others, some characters haven't interested or excited me in literal years. but i love buck. after so many years of watching him try to find real happiness, and with the show slowly reaching a point where imo it's seriously time to wrap it up very soon, i cannot imagine that they will manage to strike gold the way they did with bucktommy ever again. tommy is the first love interest of buck that they actually tried to integrate into the world and the firefam. tommy got the seal of approval, we see buck seemingly finally reach that point in life he was searching for. making him go through ANOTHER breakup just to introduce ANOTHER love interest, nullifying all that bucktommy has established? there is a limit for how often you can press the reset button, and we have reached it with buck a long time ago. let the man finally have something else to work towards. we need a breath of fresh air in here. i am optimistic about s8, and i will live no matter what happenes, but i think that would be my final straw to disconnect from 911 amd canon buck ngl 🤔 fingers crossed that bucktommy is alive and well because it's got sm potential!! 🙌

Couldn’t agree more bestie!

Tbf my reaction to the jatp bs is on me haha. Everything was more intense in 2020/2021 for obvious reasons so it wasn’t surprising for me to have latched on to a tv show and relying on it for my mental well being. But all that bullshit made me learn to change my mindset and behavior on how to interact with media and fandom, which is to have the bar so low it’s in hell.

Anyway, back to 911. I wouldn’t blame you for stopping to watch the show at any point if it’s not interesting any more. I’m not even a fan of this one. I saw bits and pieces throughout the years as one tends to do with procedurals and didn’t want to have my experience tainted with the fanon ship that shall not be named. In fact, I’ve followed lone star from the beginning and I think I still prefer it over the og.

Now onto buck and his relationships. I completely agree with what you said about hitting the reset button over and over. Procedurals tend to stall instead of committing to a solid change unless they get repetitive and/or write themselves into a corner (which both apply to buck here). So yeah, it would be a disservice to bucks character if he yet again goes through another breakup and the cycle keeps going, specially since tommy was pretty well received as his LI unlike all the other ones that weren’t meant to last from the beginning (Abby, Ali), were the wrong person for him (Taylor) or were forced down our throats (Natalia - there was so much telling and not showing how “right” their relationship was, it’s embarrassing).

So, unless there’s outside factors preventing tommy to come back and stay for good (contracts, conflicting schedules, etc), it makes no sense for bucktommy to not continue on the path they are going.

I want bucktommy to thrive, but I won’t hold my breath waiting just yet. If they are broken up or eventually will break up (which I must emphasize I do not want cause I ship them with all my heart) I might quit the show as well. Buck and Tommy were a breath of fresh air and I would love to see what could happen to them if we are lucky enough to see their romance continue

[lazybakerart]

Not harringrove related but have you ever had fandom turn you off a ship? Not in a toxic behavior kind of way rather, fandom’s interpretation of a ship is so misaligned with mine? Not that you can have correct/incorrect takes in fandom but just so wildly different to your own?

i haven't! If the majority of a fandom has a certain POV for a relationship/character, i generally just. plop myself down in a corner and do my own thing while ignoring what i don't like and occasionally bump into other people who like what i like. it can be pretty lonely, but if i'm into a pairing, i'm INTO it.

i HAVE been put off pairings because of toxic fandom bs though.

[nerv0usm3chanic]

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