#it’s like they tried doing what they thought DE wouldve done with them but couldn’t decide if they wanted them to be villains or be redeemed

[alicentflorent]

FTWDs final season could have been so much better if it was revealed that Troy was running padre and controlling madison (as revenge) this whole time. He knew enough about nick and Alicia to make madison think padre knew who and where they were this whole time. And here are some other reasons how this storyline would make sense and be more interesting:

- Troy has a military background so him taking over and running a military base makes more sense than two teenagers building it up by themselves because all the adults died.

- taking and training up children to be solidiers also would make a little sense because of his own fucked up upbringing and the idea he has of the type of people who were made for this world. He would have probably had the same idea as shrike, that the kids stood a better chance at padre than with their “weak” parents. The mother of his child dying for being a good person and not getting to raise their daughter (who would not be named after his abuser) could have also played into this idea of the kids being separated from their good parents.

- shrikes radiation cure experiments: Troy ran walker bite experiments before, just to see how people would turn. So it would also make sense if the work we see shrike doing was something he approved of or an idea he himself came up with. As for shrike, it would make sense that she turned out this way if she’d spent years being mentored by someone like troy otto instead of becoming evil and stealing children just because her dad died.

- the scene where madison smashes the glass to expose “padre” would have been such a good and shocking reveal if it was Troy. Imagine Madison finding out that Troy is not only alive but had been the one running this the whole time!

There’s also a lot of other things I would have done differently for the other characters too and I would have liked Madison to have a little villain era and do some really fucked up shit as she tries to take down Troy and padre. How dark would Madison go? Would she survive with her humanity still intact?

I know I’m just talking into the void here because no one care about this shitshow but I just hate it when shows have a plot that could have been good, maybe even great but then completely miss the mark and fans come with better theories and ideas with minimal effort and thought.

[sanchoyowrites]

Thank you for the response, it was an interesting read! One more question in the twice and hawks situation, what do you think hawks shouldve done? He thought that twice shouldve been unable to move due to the injuries he gave him so he wouldn't have to kill him, I saw Ts dedication to the lov not letting him get taken down, obviously T not dying wouldve been great but looking at what he was going to do, hawks couldnt have let him go. If H killing him was so bad wouldnt letting T go be worse?

I’m glad you thought so! :) 

Okay, so, no, I don’t think letting him go would’ve been worse. I actually think Hawks could’ve stopped it before it even got to the point that it did. He knew Twice was mentally ill. That’s why he said he’d try to make sure Twice got help. He also did it because of a bit of selfishness and naivete imo- he liked hanging around Jin and genuinely thought it was a good offer. 

But him knowing how mentally ill Jin was- and him claiming to be a hero- why wouldn’t he have questioned HOW he ended up a villain? The only way to stop villains- to really stop them- is to fix the society that makes them villains in the first place, otherwise, stopping Jin would be a short-term fix. Like slapping a band-aid on a gushing wound. Like, sure, you stopped one villain, congrats, but more of them will keep cropping up until you guys fix the entire system!

He should’ve had a conversation with Twice sometime in those several months of hanging around together. Really listened. Heroes should NOT have the authority to act as executioners. Sure, the situation COULD escalate because of Twice escaping. But is it right to kill him to prevent that? He may have just ran to get his friends to safety. He could’ve tried to escape and passed out from blood loss. He could’ve met up with Dabi and let him handle it and sat it out because of the injuries Hawks already inflicted. But we can’t know- and Hawks couldn’t either- because he made a call he really had no right to make. Heroes aren’t supposed to kill. Period. There is no reason Hawks should have had the right to make that call. Heroes in bnha aren’t allowed to arrest villains, they have to restrain them and turn them over to the police. Heroes are supposed to be upholding justice and saving people. They aren’t if they can’t properly de-escalate a situation, or take measures to prevent it from escalating in the first place. 

Especially when that person was probably the closest thing he had to a real friend. :(

[additional meta written by someone with more skill at explaining this than me]

If you’re asking what I’d personally like to see more than Hawks killing him? Well anything tbh, but the ideal situation would’ve been Hawks having a conversation with him, then truly thinking on how he could improve society for people like Twice. (I..think most LOV stans like me wanted Hawks to switch sides but. yeah. That didn’t happen.) If he was so deadset on taking Twice out of the equation, if he really couldn’t be swayed, then I would’ve personally preferred to see him doing it..like..in those months before instead of the last minute? Just slip a drug in his drink if you gotta capture him. It’s still extremely scummy but there’d be less chance of Twice lashing out if he’s- you know, unconscious at the time? 

TBH no matter what Hawks did, until he really understands how Twice feels about the LOV and the current society, Twice would lash out. The only route that would work would be compassionate and have empathy for the whole league, and that’s one I just...don’t see Hawks doing in canon. 

But that’s what fanfics are for I guess?