#inside it theres all kinds of tech. mostly to keep him alive but theres probably a web thing there too

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Who needs normal robot replacements with arms like these?

Meet The Dark Lord 2.0. It's body was severely torn by The Second Coming, but with a little bit of technology, spider children and pure spite it turned himself into an eldritch horror. Good for him!

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So new spoiler room by Natalie Abrams (sp?) is out. Not very positive, and I saw a lot of freaking out on twitter. Figured I help you try and get ahead of the swarm on tumblr. The big thing to remember is that everything the author said is her interpretation, historically Nat is like the biggest troll for us, she makes Everest out of a grain of salt, so relax a little about the 'rough patch'. Are FS gonna be perfect, no, is there gonna be some blame on Fitz, likely and likely self blame, 1/2

Its not gonna be the end of Fitzsimmons or anything. If anything the rough patch is going to be getting Fitz to remember or Jemma misinterpreting his regret. Also pretty sure that quote from Mo is from back when Aida was still a secret. Remember AoS isnt on the CW theres not going to be some, this is suddenly our issue even though its always been a part of who you are break up Its not our shows style. So just breathe and remember Abrams loves to make us freak out over whats usually nothing 2/2

Hi Anon!

Thanks so much!  Lovely points!  

Yes, absolutely ZERO reason for us to be panicking here,  It actually helps with a few of the theories and where Fitz might be at/like when we see him again.  Honestly I would be worried at this point if we had happy Fitzsimmons in the Framework…remember we are going to have to suffer for that engagement!

So here is the quote:

Anything Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. on FitzSimmons or Jemma or Fitz? — Eva

Well, seeing as Fitz is basically to blame for the Framework, and therefore at fault for everyone ending up in this prison, I would say the FitzSimmons relationship will hit a rough patch should they all make it out alive. “That’s a point we’ve hit quite a few times in their emotional spats together,” EP Maurissa Tancharoen says. “It is something that we are going to explore even further.”

1. While Fitz did help with the Framework we’ve discussed that pretty much everyone has a hand in the current situation.  Going back to Mace/Coulson not trusting each other in 5/6 and leading the boys to the hell dimension, which led to May giving the book to AIDA/Radcliffe to read to get them back.  And you are right that is 100% the authors opinion, the only from the show said its his fault is Mack.

2.   We know Fitz already had guilt about all of this even before it all really hit the fan.   Things like the book on his desk and his behavior in 14 showed us that he was already grappling with it.   In that, he was blaming himself and there Jemma brought him back to her and they ended up vowing to fix it together. 

The only two people we’ve seen blame Fitz for this are Mack and himself.  

Oh and Robo May with ‘herself’ in using the Darkhold.

3.  I am pretty sure that was a lot of Foreshadowing for what Framework Fitz is going to be like.  A BIG thing they have had this season, the past few eps especially are:

Fitz creates things to HELP people and out of the goodness of his HEART (remember how I said Jemma wanting him for his heart and not his mind will be a key here).  

Way back in Season 1 they said Fitz was a lot like Donnie.  A cautionary tale.  In the Framework we’re going to see if someone like Radcliffe got to him first.  If someone like Radcliffe, not Jemma was influencing him.

Many of Fitz’s creations were made in order to protect JEMMA.  So what happens in a world where they never met?

Mack said that Fitz was sounding a lot like Radcliffe.

Radcliffe saw himself in Fitz.

So I think in the Framework we are going to see a Fitz that is a lot like Radcliffe.  Where he is more into the discovery and results rather than the ramifications of what he creates.   Especially if he’s had someone like Radcliffe guiding him for years.  

“That’s a point we’ve hit quite a few times in their emotional spats together,” EP Maurissa Tancharoen says. “It is something that we are going to explore even further.”

I do think the quote is new, but its WAY too soon for them to be talking ANYTHING post Framework.  They have just started filming 20 and my gut is the girls are going for the hostages now, they are out and going to get them.  So no way Mo is talking that far ahead.  

I’m not going to lie. Fitzsimmons in the Framework is going to suck, its going to be a kick in the feels like no other.  Either Fitz not ever knowing Jemma and a Darker Fitz are going to be tough.  Even worse for Jemma is seeing the man she fell in love with buried under AIDA”s reprogramming.  That he has been taken from her in EVERY way possible.  She and us are going to see what FItz is truly capable of without that moral compass.  IE things used to capture/contain Inhumans will not be pretty, weapons, tech.  We are going to see just how much damage Fitz can do when he wants to or when he doesn’t care.

Fun theory time.  Jemma is undercover or with Hydra (under a different name) but she is working side by side with Fitz.  And they are creating just terrible things.  Jemma has to be careful not to give herself away since she is in the belly of the beast while at the same time it keeps her close enough to start to work on Fitz.  We don’t just get a dark Fitz…we get a Dark Fitzsimmons.  Remember Radcliffe, “Put the two of them together and you have a younger me.”

The ‘spats’ Fitzsimmons have had this season were mostly centered around AIDA.  First in hiding her, the time it took away from each other, they ethics, and then when Fitz kept working on her.  The “you put us all at risk,”.  It was the ethics of it all.  They are probably going to be in conflict with each other because Framework!Fitz is making tech for Hydra and not caring how they’re used. Jemma will be horrified because we already know that she KNOWS that Fitz would never make anything without the noblest of intentions, so the Framework version of him is a complete perversion of who he is. She’ll probably argue with him about it.  A bit of “You have Fitz’s mind, why are you doing this?”

One of the big things we are going to get with this arc is a different take on the characters.  For Fitz, this is a way of giving us a dark Fitz without messing with him too much in the Real World.  

At this point in the season we do want conflict, sorry folks but we do.  You know me, I panic when we get “Oh he’s going to take one look at Jemma and remember her with True Love’s Kiss and they will work hand in hand to get out,”  That kind of quote means the terrible awful hits after….so terrible awful happening in the Framework.  Seeing them struggle there before Jemma can get through to him means that we’ll see a engagement kind of thing when they get out.  

This is a Woman on Fire arc for Jemma, its not going to be easy.  Jemma is going to have to fight to get him back in multiple ways.  Not only physically but emotionally, his memories….she has to get to his heart again.  Override AIDA’s reprogramming and help him remember who he really is.  Possibly have to work with someone she doesn’t recognize (but in him working with her it helps him come back).

Finally it makes sense that Fitz will be one of the most difficult to get back.  IE in a video game, you don’t get the thing that will beat the game in the first 5 minutes.  You have to work for it, fight for it, help it grow.  As he is one who can help them take out the Framework from the inside AIDA will have built safeguards around him.  Plus Radcliffe in the mix wanting to preserve his own life and he’s going to be happy as a lark with Fitz as his son.

Sorry this got a little long but you are absolutely right Anon.  Its NEVER as bad as they make it sound like its going to be (and Mo said nothing about a rough patch, she said emotional spats which I’m totally expecting).  I can pull meta after meta on this in how a quote totally freaked everyone out but when it hit, what we imagined is so much worse.

Will there be conflict for Fitzsimmons in the Framework?  Yeap

Is it going to hurt?  Yeap

Will it be hard for us and Jemma to see Fitz like that? Oh yes.

Is Jemma going to fight like hell to get her man back? You bet!

Is it a deal breaker for Fitzsimmons? Heck no!

Will Jemma get him back?  No question, possibly even in the Framework towards the end.

Will they come out stronger from this? Absolutely 

Keep our eyes on the big sparkly prize guys!  Framework is only going to last 4/5 episodes at most, then they will be back together strong than ever.