#incelish

[junipercastor]

sexyy red and sza need to make rich baby daddy pt2 without the rich baby daddy drake cuz he ruined the song idgaf what the hell was that long ass monologue at the end like.. drake is like that one old man whose like washed up and reminiscing and pleading with his former lover to Please Please Notice Him except he's not even that old and his lover probably has him blocked on all social medias. and he's been doing this most of his career. his entire career is basically him just crying into his drink over women

[mrsamsasshowerthoughts]

My type in men is gay and sightly transphobic Lana del Rey fans, while my type in women is Pearl from Steven Universe.

Oh Freud you would have loved me.

[twinvictim]

I need everyone to shut up about Nishiki forever actually

[clowntainment]

I wanna hugggggg *crawls into my burrow*

[velvetvexations]

Just read that t4t masc4fem (?) kind of article everyone is speaking of, and sure... Being a trans man in the nonbinary lesbian kind of way myself, I kind of understand gnc or queer transfem ppl feeling repulsed since it just feels like too much gender roles...

I can't deal with cis nor trans men who'd approach me like this, not because I see it as predatory but because it's just not my cup of tea. It's not hurting me to get flowers. Or if a femme person is interested in a way that expects an overtly 'manly' role of me etc., again I am not harmed by them expressing such interest.

Initiation isn't coercion, it's where you can either give or not give consent. That's how people find people to date or flirt with. No shit.

Also... There are trans people into those dynamics described in the article. Trans people who wish they could just go on a kind of a stereotypical straight people date. Even a bit old-fashioned flowers and stuff. I think people forget how magical that can be to trans people who, by default, are not expected to be able to experience it.

I'll respect trans folk who find this type of thing gender-affirming. I've seen t4t straight or masc/fem couples like these, as well as butch/femme lesbian couples like this. This is normal trans and/or queer people stuff.

The way people read into the article as inherently rapey or predatory or incelish seem wild to me. Have they ever read anything written by an actual incel...? Because I'll tell you. Incels describe everything a woman says as manipulation. Incels view every interaction with women as a power game. Incels encourage deception, emotional abuse, manipulation and coercion.

None of the above is implied in the article. It's cheesily written for sure, but says something about society how cishets can have their cheesy romantic straight people things but when trans people do, it's gross and bad...?

Trans people are... * checks notes * attracted to or interested in relationships with literally ANYONE and are inherently seen as predators. That's fucked up. I feel like this could even be internalized shame in some of these transfems esp. if terfs have demonized transfem lesbians a lot so it's like. Seeing a trans guy into fem people be masculine and cheesily romantic feels like a taboo, I guess? Could that be it?

Ughh. Also. The part about "exploring sexuality unconventionally" or whatever, being equated to cis guys' tgirl fetishes... Like. People commenting this stuff do not know anything about trans men's sexualities or complex relationships to our bodies. To me that immediately read as;

"Another trans person will understand that the sexual roles or acts we may prefer may not be stereotypical to what people automatically assume about our anatomies."

Allocishet people have an infamously poor grasp of the idea. Trans people on the other hand... May be a liiiiittle better about taking dysphoria to account and not reducing people to specific sexual roles based on their anatomy.

Also they really have decided to view trans men as these hypersexual predatory monsters who can't even be attracted to someone without being a fucking predator. Idk that hurts to read. I wonder if it's again some internalized stuff from how TERFs predatorjacket and shame transfeminine people's sexualities. So they feel instinctively angry, because of shame, when seeing anoter trans person be a sexual being.

Also I wish more people understood not everything other people are into sexually or romantically is about them, nor has to be their cup of tea.

Yeah, it is like, at worst kinna retrograde humor but even on that level it's...not a big deal, and the outrage is especially galling because this is right in the midst of egg drama where it is vitally important we still be allowed to stereotype trans girls.

I wish I had more to add to what you've said here anon but you really laid it out.

[nek-ros]

saw a particularly incelish tweet that made me think about the whole pink floyd the wall post i made the other day again

[alphabetcompletionist]

ok 1. joyce did come up with it afaik 2. it's called 'villanelle of the temptress' 3. y'all might not know it so here it is

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Are you not weary of ardent ways,

Lure of the fallen seraphim?

Tell no more of enchanted days.

Your eyes have set man’s heart ablaze

And you have had your will of him.

Are you not weary of ardent ways?

Above the flame the smoke of praise

Goes up from ocean rim to rim.

Tell no more of enchanted days.

Our broken cries and mournful lays

Rise in one eucharistic hymn.

Are you not weary of ardent ways?

While sacrificing hands upraise

The chalice flowing to the brim,

Tell no more of enchanted days.

And still you hold our longing gaze

With languorous look and lavish limb!

Are you not weary of ardent ways?

Tell no more of enchanted days.

ABCDEFGHI KLMNOP RSTUVW YZ

23/26

my favorite poems are ozymandias (mm sexy) and that villanelle from a portrait of the artist as a young man, but i don't quite know if joyce came up with that one or if it's named something else

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

26/26

[lemontartyellow]

Benefits of Season 1 Ed: Autism friend with something wrong with him

Down sides to Season 1 Ed: Can rarely ever call him a loser. Also he comes with a side salad of incelish behavior.

[sasukeless]

incelish geto stans that blame yuki for him going cuckoo bananas gotta be the most annoying crowd. my girl thought she was in a safe space sharing thoughts how was she supposed to know he was at the edge

[ladylingua]

So just fyi, you know when you see those incelish reports on how some celebrity or other wealthy person is being forced to pay their ex wife $15,000 of child support every month and we’re all supposed to be shocked and horrified about the unfairness of that and how you don’t need that much for the bare minimum food and clothes for a child and so therefore that’s an unfair amount and the ex must be scamming and isn’t that a shame?

So here’s the fact, straight from my lawyer mom: when courts allocate child support, they actually try to ensure the two households are comparable and that is part of the calculation of how much money the wealthier parent needs to pay. It’s not a mistake, it’s not a scam, it’s a recognition that it’s not good for the child to spend time in two wildly disparate homes. Child support helps ensure the less wealthy parent isn’t alienated from their child solely through having less money to provide them comforts, and also helps ensure they can still live in the child’s current school district.

This is fun fact for you to hold onto, unfortunately you will find this useful to know over and over again because this talking point about “unfair child support” comes up all the time with the most ignorant people driving it

[therealtsk]

Only on tumblr.com can I be accused of homophobia for my stance on kaiju thirstposting

Ultimately it’s not even about the monsterfucking it’s the fact that straight men (SB) got there first and like with most things made it weird

i wish i lived in the parahumans universe so i could fuck all the dallons and get killed by leviathan

[mrsamsasshowerthoughts]

Not me trying to flirt with the cute gay boy by showing him my obscure shitty japanese goth hymns after he made me listen to Lana del Rey only to be replied with a dry ass answer and left to wonder how didn't he find me interesting

[this-should-do]

i think clint stardew needs to join a club, like i know its hot to bully him for having a unhealthy relationship with women as a concept and being incelish but like, i dont think hes doomed, i just think he needs to talk to people more, becuz genuinely i think hes chronically lonely after having been forced into a career that he never really wanted to be in by his father and naturally being a introverted gjy with social anxiety,

like i get it, the way he talks about women and obsessed over emily is not great ! i agree! but i think that type of behavior is a symptom of loneliness and feeling like a relationshio will make you unlonely which creates obsessive tendencies when you do nothing with your life except you job, even if youve grown to appreciate it,

like clint makes me sad, i wish that the farmer coumd like, help in a different way than simply encouraging him to continue to go after emily and when that doesnt work let him wallow and co sider the worst path foe a guy like him, internet dating, like i want to take that man to a reading club or betrer yet, a blacksmith convention to expand his social horizons and experiences with people (and especially women acclimatize him to women existing not as an kbject of desire) in a place where he knows what hes talking abkut and can feel confident enough to speak because of it

like im no clint defender, but i do think rehabilitation is possible, thanks for clming to my tedtalk

[dexsuka]

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[imeverywoman420]

i think part (but not all) of the female predator thing is that they don't think of themselves as capable of a predatory act because we dont ever cast women in the 'creep' role as often. they are less likely to think of their actions as wrong or creepy but rather as loving and misunderstood

HONESTLY completely unrelated to pedophilia but i had a moment myself a year ago where i learned empathy and realized that so many of my behaviors towards men might come across as creepy, threatening, nice guy/incelish. And i never realized it bc “im a Woman any guy would be lucky to have me im a pretty princess” like the thinking hes below you but wanting his approval and attention. I couldnt see that is an incredibly creepy and ill intentioned way of interacting witb people. I was like im just misunderstoooooddddd im so loving. And i wasnt Loving i was fucking CREEPY

i think that whole thing is interesting like women not viewing themselves as human beings like men it takes training to be able to take the gender goggles off and view your behaviors through an objective lens.

[sneezemonster15]

Why do like 90% of males think male homosexuality is disgusting? I read somewhere that they think it's as gross as rotten flesh 😭 also why do they laugh at it and make jokes about it too like they can't take it seriously? They're so insufferable, I see this so often. Not that I care about their opinions but they're the same kinda guys who gave yaoi loving girls the name fujoshi meaning "rotten girl" because that's how disgusting they thought they were. Freaks. It wasn't like this in ancient Greece, was it? What changed? Now they're more annoying. Before they were only misogynists and not homophobic but now they're both :/

Hah. This is one of the ramifications of the well entrenched patriarchal system in the midst of which, we live and operate. It has always been like this. Didn't happen overnight. It's intricate and quite a bit of it is invisibilised and the rest is normalised. It's better in some places, worse in others. But it's everywhere barring pockets of tribes which are matrilineal, which seem almost inconsequential in the larger picture of things.

Within the patriarchal set up, men also are conditioned to potentially satisfy certain expectations, whether it be of a provider or a leader, decision-maker. They are taught that certain things are acceptable where others are taboo. A heteronormative society, whether it be a man or a woman, would glorify or normalise heterosexuality and denigrate anything that comes into opposition with it. Heteronormativity is the narrative they grew up with, that's how they were conditioned. They were inspired by or impacted by their parents, neighbours, teachers, members of their peer group, also heteronormative, who reinforced these narratives and with time, they became a line that is not to be crossed. Taboo.

These dudebros online are just insecure little boys. That and very dumb. Naruto is shounen battle manga and most men/boys take it for granted that it's targeted at them (because it is) and they do end up enjoying it. When you have got super straight and super popular shounen MCs such as Luffy or Goku, it just reinforces the notion that Naruto also will be the same way. And Naruto the story does have all the nuts and bolts of a typical shounen manga, even if it also has a lot of other stuff that is a bit more subtle. A lot of dudebros really relate with Naruto and proudly. A lot of them incelish. Imagine how they would react to the fact that Naruto is gay. Lol. It really troubles their sense of masculine identity to think Naruto could be gay, that's why so many of them would get so bothered whenever Naruto would get super focussed on Sasuke. Lol. And so many of them think that Naruto was wrong to 'let Sasuke free' at the end. According to them, it was unpatriotic. Because that's what they think this story is about. Lol.

Like I said, most Naruto fans are way too attached to their lens. It's emotional for dudebros too. And you can't really argue with an emotionally affected illogical bigot. That's just too many odds against reason lol. They also think Itachi is hell's bells. Itachi is a Sigma male for them. I bet you can find many dudes who fangirl over both Itachi and Andrew Tate. Hahaha.

They are both misogynistic and homophobic, they have always been. Misogyny kinda goes hand in hand with homophobia with these men. Anything that threatens their narrative about men, women and their heteronormative m/f dynamic, will trigger this juvenile, bigoted behaviour in them. And their sense of entitlement as men makes them think they can get away with it. They do get away with a lot of times because reasonable fans usually don't invest in them, considering it a waste of time.

When I was in school, I had a few male members in my group. Three of these boys were very close. Straight boys. But you know, they were growing up, their hormones were welling up. One time, after graduating from school, we were drinking and one of these inebriated boys told me this. In school, after the sports period, they would take a shower together and sometimes, they would jerk each other off. Straight boys. They were curious and their sense of sexuality was not consciously set in stone. They didn't think of it as an overtly sexual act, for them, it was just boys having fun. They would get bored of jerking off themselves so someone else's hand did the trick for them. Another boy. A very good friend. When my friend later told me about it, he was aware how sexual an activity it was. He had realized that it was 'controversial', it was 'gay' and he felt guilty about it. He felt shame. So did the others, so they made a pact to never talk about it.

Kids often indulge in sexual acts while not being consciously aware about its nature. They are discovering their sexuality, their newly minted desire, their changing bodies, the unsettling surge of sex hormones. It's understandable. A lot of kids unconsciously experiment with overt or not so overt sexual acts without being consciously aware of what it implies. Which is understandable. I have heard such accounts from many men. They would never share it with another man though. Their sense of male masculine pride would shatter. Doesn't help that more often than not, there's no one to talk to them about it. Most parents don't, especially in conservative societies. No one to tell them what's right, what's acceptable, what's certainly not. Sex is still a very taboo subject among a lot of societies. Even reproductive sex, and not just recreational sex.

If someone had reassured those boys at the time, if someone had talked to them about it in a balanced way, perhaps their sense of sex and homosexuality/sexual orientation would be more mature, less prejudiced, more inclusive. Don't look at me, I was also quite young, I had not started delivering sermons and lectures yet haha. I did laugh my ass off when he told me though. It was not helpful at all. Hahahaha. You should have seen his face.

It's sad how so many grown and mature men still feel icky about homosexuality. I have seen so many of them who wouldn't be overtly homophobic but they would still show it in some way or the other. One time, i was working on a project where one of the team members was openly and flamboyantly gay, and my very 'liberal', foreign educated, upper middle class male boss hired him on an urgent basis and then appointed me to supervise him. One time, I needed some approvals so I told the boss to talk to him directly. He said no. He acted like it creeped him out, made him uncomfortable. For the rest of the project, I had to act as the liaison, which was fine for me, we became good friends. But it was pretty clear how 'open minded' my boss really was and how entitled he felt to be wearing the mantle of 'liberalism'. He was also a misogynist under the garb of feminism. Another member of the team, a woman, was fired by him. Now she was definitely to blame for her otherwise unprofessional behaviour, but one of her concerns about mistreatment by one of her own assistants (male) should have been addressed with respect. It wasn't. Instead, she was made fun of by the boss. He simply bypassed her complaint about harassment by her male assistant.

My boss would also make fun of the gay man behind his back because of his 'body language' and 'feminine' disposition. He would do it subtly, like it was just harmless ribbing, just a joke. But of course it wasn't. It was more than microaggression. It was disrespectful and very homophobic. I have seen so many men act like this, and it's crazy how so many men never talk amongst themselves about it. In my circles, they would tell me because I am not too judgmental, because I am a woman and because I am not conventionally 'feminine' in opposition to their conventional 'masculinity', which always seemed to reassure them. They thought of me as just one of the guys. I am not. I often found it funny but also quite sad.

So many of these men would open up only after getting sloshed. Their inhibitions would only be relieved when under the influence. Imagine all the energy spent on towing this line, the way both men and women are conditioned how to be.

A five minute shallow interaction online isn't going to do the trick. These men need to be rehabilitated. Their notions about sex and sexuality with respect to the world in all its inherent diversity need to be reexamined and changed where needed. It's difficult to feel sympathy for such men, yes. Some of them. But I am sure they will not be receptive to aggression, they have a degree in aggression themselves. You need to find their emotional Achilles heel, a chink in their armor, to find an in. It's honestly quite easy to crack most men. If you wanna break them, hit where it hurts most, their ego. If you wanna gain their trust, play up to their ego.

Why call them freaks? Lots of women also act like them. It's quite easy to see why they act like it too. We all come with our notions. We all have certain narratives we have grown up with. Certain hardlines we aren't supposed to cross. Certain socio politico cultural structures that reinforce these narratives that form the foundation of our lived experiences from babyhood that most people don't question, whether it be men or women. Our society was not built to be conducive to questions or challenges. It was built to repress them and eventually squash them. So obviously, we aren't able to reach an understanding about something that needs empathy and an open mind, that could really benefit with a balanced dialogue. Especially something that needs us to relook at our belief systems/established narratives. Such as feminism, homosexuality. What we don't understand, we hate or fear or revile.

One would really need to hunker down and have a proper dialogue, if you really want to change these narratives. It would take time and effort and lots of patience. You would need to invest. Build a new narrative. Look at all the ingredients that make up these narratives and start at the root. Change them one at a time. Unless that is done, one cannot convince them of Naruto and Sasuke being gay and it being a gay love story.