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inhiatusfromlife · 2 years ago
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iwanthermidnightz · 5 years ago
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The following is the summary of Kate’s latest episode on Taylor. Forgive the back and forth and random points... Kate likes to ramble. It was literally an hour and a half of that but she did bring up some good points. This is her analyzing ‘The Archer’ among other things! For the record, I’m writing from her perspective/direct words.
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-Thinks The Archer is beautiful, ethereal, and lush
-It’s very Donna Lewis, very Robyn, it’s a nostalgic sound, very Jack Antonoff, very Lorde Melodrama.. its a certain sound reverberating female celestial voices that reminds her of the 90s and she likes it
-It’s a promo single which means it’s released to promote the album, it’s not released to radio stations for airplay- no music video
-Sounds transitional, unfinished song… it’s building
-Released to convey a level of emotional vulnerability
-Taylor said in radio interviews in the UK that this album is very pure and it’s not in response to something like she said reputation was
-“Lover is about what songs would I write for the sake of writing songs? Most of them are about love in the sense that they’re a love letter to love itself”
-We’re in an era with VERY little information
-We’ve seen Joe twice in 2019 (go figure)
-Taymerica, Squad, Calvin, we see her all the time
-Then she gets in this mysterious private ‘relationship’ with Joe almost so much so that there’s no reason to speculate or think about her personal life because it’s so under the radar and she’s never officially talked about him
-She automatically likes his Instagram posts within 2 minutes which a lot of us think is some sort of thing Instagram does for people like her
-She has a theory Taylor and Taylornation can see stories without read receipts (duh)
-The Archer represents a person that's reflecting on their behavior and their patterns and thinking about their relationships in life and thinking about the role of self-sabotage as it relates to your personal relationships
-Talks about the dive bar situation, she needs to spend more time thinking about it
-She talks about the easter eggs leading up to the archer and debates whether Taylor planned this out 3 years ago because of the archer angel in the delicate mv, and the way the people in the delicate mv see right through her, it makes sense
-She always wondered what aspects of Taylors personal life is a media narrative. What has she actually confirmed herself? What are these songs really saying?
-She thinks the songs on reputation sound like really closeted anthems
-It’s none of her business what her sexuality is but it is her business to interpret her songs the way any open-minded person should
-So much of reputation she really read being about a relationship with a woman because it was so grounded in secrecy, quiet moments, darkest little paradise, happened for the first time, I don’t want you like a best friend, everybody thinks that they know us but they know nothing about us, I loved you in spite of deep fears that the world would divide us, I had a bad feeling… (yes she named them all in the same breath)
-Lyrics have never been about the protection and privatization of involuntarily public love, they’ve been lyrics about a perception of a forbidden love -It’s one thing to hide from the paparazzi, and to be like “something happens when everybody finds out, loose lips sink ships all the damn time”, recites ‘I Know Places’ basically- calls it a closeted anthem because Taylor literally comes out of closet doors on the 1989 tour.
-Thinks there are themes in Taylors songs that she might miss as a straight person and doesn’t want to discount them
-She was reading an article in Vulture written by none other than known Kaylor truther Jill Gutowitz, mentioned how Jill very openly talks about Gaylor and Karlie Kloss and even recently Tree Paine liked one of her tweets
-Tree Paine is a mastermind and has boots on the ground everywhere (Indeed she is!)
-Thinks the Tree Paine like was strategic
-Jill said in an article that there were implicitly queer lyrics placed throughout ‘The Archer’: ‘pace like a ghost’, ‘heroes die all alone’, ‘help me hold onto you’, dying alone and holding on to someone who isn’t right for you are all important tenants of the lesbian canon (shes quoting Jill)
-Kate did not pick up on any of that cause shes straight haha
-Mentions how Taylors fans are divided by those who think her songs are blatantly queer and those who don’t and believe the Toe relationship is real bc the media shows them that and they believe it firsthand (true)
-She quotes the reputation prologue “when the album comes out gossip blogs will scour the lyrics for the men they can attribute to each song as if the inspiration for music is as simple and basic as a paternity test and there will be slideshows and photos backing up each incorrect theory because it’s 2017 and if you didn’t see a picture of it it didn’t happen right? Let me say it again louder for those in the back… we think we know someone but the truth is that we only know the version of them that they have chosen to show us.”
-Kate says that those are her actual straightforward words and you can’t read that and say that it's not okay to believe in things we haven’t seen or that it’s calling her a liar to only believe what we’ve seen if she is telling us to our faces that we think we know her but the truth is we only know the version of herself that she has chosen to show us
-That is an admission of Taylor being strategic in what we know, and a ton we don’t know
-The prologue should’ve opened up the doors for an and all theories to be fair game but somehow it divided the fandom deeper than she’s ever seen
-Calling her a liar about what she’s told us thus far is not fair (it takes a mature person to understand that)
-The Taylor Swift strategic businesswoman who keeps us on our toes waiting for new music and clues is part of her success- not all. But there is a difference between that Taylor and the Taylor she is behind closed doors. She’s still a person. So to say she's a liar is not right.
-We can’t imagine what it takes to be in her position and not have lost her mind yet
-Maybe shes had a breakdown but we haven’t seen it (wasn’t that her disappearance before reputation?)
-Kate goes back to ‘The Archer’ and her internal struggle
-She read something that Taylor liked on Tumblr where someone said that The Archer is the song version of her poem called “If you’re anything like me”... epiphany.
-The song is about talking about her shortcomings while simultaneously accepting them and saying if you’re anything like me I’m sorry but you’ll be fine
-Kate recites the whole poem now lol
-Showcases a lot of strength in your weakness and pointing out the importance of going through these things in order to find oneself and to acknowledge that some things are just pillars of the way you are
-Back to the archer - this song is about the unwelcome justice system in her head in terms of patterns, knowing how she's going to react, in terms of wishing she were another way and objectively being able to see that but not being able to feel that is a very human experience to constantly be in between your head and your heart
-You only know your own experience, anyone that's hurt you stays in your subconscious or otherwise and we often react in response or defense of it and when she’s saying “no amount of friends at 25 will fill the empty seats at the lunch tables of your past and the teams that picked you last but darling, you keep trying”
-She has been criticized so many times and publicly taken down, shes felt like she can't do anything right at times
-Brings up the ME! Performance at the Billboard awards and no one talked about the performance, just that she ‘copied Beyonce’
-Stuff like that that was not intentional is often pegged on her for better or worse, correct or not
-To be accused of copying or being tone-deaf when shes probably orchestrated this team to make sure none of that happened would be so thankless and frustrating and sometimes the hate is louder
-At times in her career, she's had no choice but to jump to her own overwhelming defense
-You can't trust a lot of people if you are easily used and you do have to be somewhat cut and dry and I think that being put in an environment where it benefits you to be cut and dry because there are so many shady people but maybe she doesn’t really want to be
-She has no choice but to be black or white about her life and feelings and standing up for herself
-Back to The Archer- Kate doesn’t understand the point of “I’ve been the archer, I’ve been the prey”
-It’s kind of like I’ve been the attacker and I’ve been the victim, I’ve had the upper hand and I’ve had the lower hand, I’ve been the dumper and I’ve been dumped
-Kate thinks Taylor’s been on the attack and defense and she knows what it feels like to be treated the exact same way she treats people and therein lies the issue
-That’s a confusing thing to process in your head period and to communicate in a song is inevitably going to be a little bit frantic and convoluted but that's kind of the point. The anxiety of how you handle things and how you accept yourself despite the way you likely mishandle things
-Taylor starts out saying “I’m ready for combat” in the most reluctant, delicate voice that is not indicative of somebody ready for combat
-That sounds like somebody who is a reluctant participant in their own patterns and they don’t want to be doing it but they know they’re going to and they know they’ll do it again
-These patterns and issues that we have exhibit over and over the reason for self-loathing and it's almost harder when you’re older and can acknowledge that you do these things and they don’t work for you but I still do them anyway
-It’s that self awareness paired with the active participation in these bad habits that make a person really start to doubt themselves and in using figures of speech like “I cut off my nose just to spite my face”, like that cuts deep bc she's basically being like “I overreact and I know I do and on purpose”
-In acting out of anxiety and fear you often end up riding off alone
-At a point you see people come and go, you know how this whole song and dance goes, at a point you start to mourn it before it's over
-That’s kind of like “yeah I never figured out the best way to maintain these relationships and I’m tired of it, I never grew up, I don’t know why I am this way but since I know they come and go and since I’ve always ridden on the train alone that probably what I’ll do again but with your help, help me hold onto you… like I want you to be the exception”
-We all think of ourselves as a catch and a trainwreck and it’s not a bad thing
-Looking for someone’s flaws is something everyone does in relationships
-As it relates to in the past when she’s been burned by somebody’s dark side she wants to call it when she sees it and lock the door before she gets robbed but then there's the conflicting part where she’s like “well what I’m alright, what if I can trust you and I’m alright right here?”
-The entire song is kind of like a back and forth of opposing feelings
-To cut off your nose to spite your face is basically a metaphor for overreacting
-She brings up the Hiddleswift stunt and Taylor revealing that she was Nils Solberg for some reason (connecting it to the metaphor)
(KATE IS RAMBLING SO I’M ONLY ADDING IMPORTANT THINGS NOW)
-We’re so quick to discount people's feelings just because they're in a position of fame and fortune and power but I think we would all feel no less us with money if anything everything’s intensified
-Taylor must have to put up a front all the time because she's not allowed to complain or have bad days when that is your normal and any therapist will tell you you can only heal operating out of your own normal.
-Pain is pain and when you start to compare pain is when you start to trivialize, minimize and not work through what you’re going through and you start to avoid/ignore it
-Taylors in a weird position where she probably has a more internal struggle that anybody
-Through her music we should acknowledge and think about what it’s like on that side, we owe her the respect to be like damn.. this must be hard
-Talks about the “all the king's horses” line and Humpty Dumpty
-All of the resources and people trying to help Taylor at her disposal and they still can’t fix this and that is an empty feeling, like a lost cause
-When Kate hears ‘The Archer’ she hears a highly anxious episode that is not just processing the individual situation going on but then doing a thing where you project it on every single thing that's ever going to happen in your life
OK FIN.
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flaneuriste · 5 years ago
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Well, this is just my theory, but I am a man and a musician so I know what I'm talking about. Ginger mentioned that Roger and David's relationship was like a marriage that ended up in a divorce. These guys live for the music, and at this time, when they were young, it looked like they were literally married to each other. In this case when you are completely devoted to your bandmates and your mates it's hard to find things that matters more than that. When there's such a strong bond it happens -
(cont) that strong feelings develop and I think this was the case between David and Roger because let me tell you that I don’t believe them when they say that they hate each other. I don’t believe it at all. So I think that Roger was the most obvious, while David seemed more subtle and good at hiding it. But I think it was inside of him too. It doesn’t have to be sexual. It could be platonic. I don’t think you’ll agree but I do believe it was their case just like many other musicians.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~First of all - APOLOGIES for taking so long to reply to this! I truly do appreciate your question/comments. 
DAVID GILMOUR AND ROGER WATERS: What about that?
I think I understand the sort of relationship you’re talking about. I think sports teammates can feel it about each other, especially if they’re close in positions. I think people feel it in the military too only much more intensely. Any time you work closely on projects that are important to you AND in which you have to rely on each other/others, you develop a special bond. In the musical world, I think that is DEF the case for Keith Richards/Mick Jagger, John/Paul/George/Ringo, Elton John/Bernie Taupin and many others. You said you didn’t think I’d agree *grinning* and you’re SORT of right. In favour of your argument: I think that they were really deeply committed to making the best possible music. I think they quietly had a great deal of respect for the other’s talents, especially as their talents were quite different. I think they did have lots of laughs together in the midst of working. I think they both have razor sharp minds that they appreciated. On the other hand: David and Roger didn’t start out together, not like the other musicians I’ve mentioned. They came together later and in a disturbing situation for both of them. I think it was most disturbing for David; he and Syd had been really close, he came into the band with an unusual idea that Syd would continue to work with them and he would cover for Syd, and then that didn’t work. Instead Syd was out. And yet sometimes came to shows and stood in front of him, staring. Fercrissakes. When I put myself in David’s place, imagining a good friend that I have displaced, standing there? That’s discomfort taken to an extreme degree.David has said that he felt like “new boy” for decades. I don’t think he melded with the rest seamlessly. I think he can go along and get along, which is not the same as finding your people. David and Roger were never like Elton and Bernie, one writing the music, the other writing the lyrics. It was def a group effort to start with and then slid into a dictatorship, more or less. The disagreements about whose work was more important to the product started a loooooong time ago (and not just between David and Roger). 
Roger was known to, at times, have a rather cruel sense of humour. David, by reputation, is a gracious person. I’m not saying Saint David by any stretch of the imagination but I also think he was probably embarrassed and appalled when Roger was cruel. The main crux of it, for me, is that David and Roger are fundamentally very different, which makes it challenging for them to trust each other and be truly close. Of course, some of that spark between them challenged them to produce better music. 
David is relaxed, indolent in the worst cases, easy-going in the best. Roger is hyper, intense and impatient. David is a collaborator. Roger is a composer. David works well with a LOT of different people, types of music, settings, ideas. Roger is singular in his vision and pursuits. When it’s his own tours, I think David is a very benign dictator. Everyone knows it’s his word in the end but the musicians (see Jon Carin in particular) love that he wants his band members to bring themselves to the table, to express themselves and add. The only time he steps in is if something really jars. Roger hears exactly what he wants, sees his vision. He wants the musicians to reproduce what he hears and sees. He doesn’t want them screwing it up with improvisation. Have you ever heard that clip (somewhere on my Tumblr archive), “Three minutes of Roger complaining” during the making of The Wall? It’s kind of hilarious!I don’t dislike Roger. He’s got a lot of great qualities and I know a lot of his problems come from insecurity and fear (which maybe he’s worked out a lot now; who knows) but I do think he would drive a lot of people CRAZY. You have to share his passion for HIS vision in order to succeed with him.
As for the Nick and Rick: Nick and Roger are great friends as we know. I think that is ‘cause Nick just refuses to engage with Roger’s rants, doesn’t take him too seriously and yet has a great appreciation of what a mastermind he is when it comes to building a song. I doubt that Nick and David were ever TRULY close but they worked together to keep PF afloat after Roger left (Roger made a big mistake in thinking that Nick wouldn’t mind). If I was going to pick a pair out of PF that really had syncro-mesh, it would be David and Rick. Rick and Roger were chalk and cheese. Rick and Nick were amicable but not much else. Rick and David? I’m sure they didn’t agree on everything but their understanding of each other musically was profound. They’re both quiet but they could PLAY together, so beautifully. I know regular readers will be bored to hear this again but I am SOOO grateful and happy that David and Rick were able to share the “On An Island” tour. Rick said it was the happiest tour he’d ever been on. David knew how to jolly Rick along a bit, tease him and cajole him but not humiliate him. He appreciated how enormously talented Rick was. It was a joy to see. So…….my final analysis? SO fucking great that David and Roger ended up in PF at the same time. My gawd, the music that came out of that era? Astounding. I def don’t think they hate each other. I think they get frustrated trying to understand each other ‘cause they’re 180 degrees apart. I also think they each refuse to be sentimental. Hardly ever. But. I don’t want to say this but. So many of the classics are getting older. And I am quite sure that when either Roger or David die, the other is going to be affected. In my humble opinion, they created music as great as Beethoven or Bach when they meshed. AGAIN! Thank you so much for the question. Please believe me - I have no problem with people completely disagreeing with me. I love the debate and discussion. Respect to all………..best wishes.
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