#in fact they can overlap so much sometimes u wonder if its a circle

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[sylsabastian]

Equality and The Effort-Reward-Circle

T: - I'll tell you what's suddenly on my mind... Am I unique? Used to think so. Then became normal.. Now, taking my life on the whole, I wonder. Compared to you..... Maybe not.

Syl: - Oh Oh Oh ... What a most most most awesome Share. <3 <3 <3 <3

I have a simple, but Ridiculously Profound response for this:

The Effort-Reward-Circle!

At least I should say, profound to me. Don’t mean to be presumptuous. :) :D <3 Your Sharing is profoundly affecting me. <3 <3

I just wanted to ask how this connected with you. If it made sense in the Context of:

The Effort-Reward-Circle

T: - Cause and effect?

Syl: - Kinda. But I mean it more literally. Where we are at, in life as people etc. It’s all because of effort really. Of course we could be many many things. But like look at Olympic athletes. All the gold medals in the world are not worth what they do for me. No thanks, uh-uh.

T: - ...

Syl: - But they might say again: All the ......in the world is not going to get me to do all that thinking and .... etc.

So it’s all about what Effort we are willing to do for what Reward.

And that is a FREE Individual Choice. The Rewards I get for the Efforts I make don’t appeal to everyone, let alone for that price. It’s all a big marketplace really. What we are personally willing to pay for what we have.

That’s why where we are, is on a Circle. Because there is no better or worse when it comes to deciding how much Effort is worth a Reward. That is a purely personal decision. Yes?

T: - Sure.

Syl: - So really. You do relate to the Effort-Reward-Circle?

T: - Certainty. I'm happy with what I've chosen. Syl: - Yeah. It’s also realising that the Effort for what is different isn’t worth it to you. That is the key, It’s understanding the Effort-Reward trade-off. Yes?

T: - Yes, I realise that. That's why I don't yearn to be rich. Too much effort.

Syl: - Exactly. :) :D

T: - Not sure what your angle is regarding the being unique.

Syl: - The issue of: "Am I unique?" is not the question. But the motivation that makes it a question, there is the focus.

T: - Ok...

Syl: - So what is the motivation underlying that. The implications of it in terms of motivation?

T: - To check in on what my current identity is.

Syl: - Yeah. That the aim, is not necessarily the motivation behind the usage of unique.

You could have asked - What is my current identity. Yes? But you didn’t. You asked a very specific question?

Why? Why that question?

T: - Because that was my identity once.

Syl: - Yes. So what is the underlying motivation or mindset behind being unique?

T: - Well it certainly used to be, to be "special." Now, hopefully to be clear on what my identity might be.

Syl: - Yes. And...listening...

T: - Idk that's it. That's the essence.

Syl: - Again, the word is for me the issue. We tend to just take the obviousness of these words for granted. but to me they are problematic. Like “Uniqueness” was at one time an obvious desirable goal - but not necessarily so now. Once its underpinnings are seen for what they are, it loses its lustre. Uniqueness is simply a masquerade for, as you said, “Specialness.” Which is ofc the sneaky way for ego to at root, feel superior.

Ego uses “specialness” to BS it’s way out of not being able to deal with the Awful, to it, Truth, that we are not literally the most superior person in the world. So it settles for “Special.”

All bs ofc.

T: - Indeed.

Syl: - So likewise, lets’s look at the underpinnings of identity. It it perhaps a subtly disguised form of uniqueness?

T: - Yes I'm no longer sure what makes identity.

Syl: - Why is identity automatically assumed to be an obvious good?

T: - Idk.

Syl: - That in itself says a lot doesn’t it. I mean to be wanting something we're not sure why it’s desirable. Yes?

T: - It's important to know oneself. That's why understanding identity matters. And to know where I end and another begins.

Syl: - Interesting and cool. Now does identity necessarily have to be fixed, or closely defined as in how the term is mostly understood? Could one have for instance, a flexible or an open ended identity or a developing one?open ended identity or a developing one?have for instance, a flexible or an open ended identity or a developing one?

Could our identity be one where say we are a Process, or in Process?

T: - Certainly, mine is. It still should be knowable.

Syl: - Cool. Otherwise identity is a straitjacket of limitation. Yes?

T: - Probably.

Syl: - How would you relate your identity and your Aspirational Identity and Process Identity in terms of, or relative to, the concept of Noble?

This is most most important. And, as always very connected for me.

T: - No idea where to start.

Syl: - Just how you feel about it in terms of Identity, character, anything.

T: - It's constantly evolving.

Syl: - Yeah - And that is super fun and exciting yes? And Adventure of the Self and Soul. Yes? Maybe?

T: - Yes.... But it still should be knowable. I'm not sure I know my identity any more.

Syl: - What happens when you let go of one skin when you need to put on another?

T: - Usually there's some disorientation, if it's a profound change. I haven't gone through that in a while though

Syl: - Yes. Because there is the period where we have to be naked. E and I call it “Traversing the Void.”

T: - Yep. Cool.

Syl: - So where would you Like to be? What kind of a person? With what qualities? What kind of character? How Happy? How easily happy? What matters to you in terms of what constitutes a person? What is important to have included in your future Self and what is unimportant and can be discarded now?

T: - Will ponder this.

Syl: - Laters. <3 :) Also, tell me about you and Noble? How you relate, connect, define, aspire, desire, feel, want, envisage etc, yourself and Nobleness. Anything in this regard. :) <3

T: - Idk about noble. I aspire to be ethical.

Syl: - What about Optional Ethics?

T: - Hello! Optional Ethics?

Syl: - Haha, yeah. That does sound oxymoronic. And in most instances is it. But there are circumstances where external factors do not demand a response from us and we have a choice. Then our choices are dictated by purely internal factors.

We are now driven by our self, Way-of-Being, Intents, Aspirations etc. If we live with Impeccability as our aim, or try to, and Being Ethical is a big deal, then ofc these Choices then become Ethical choices also. Somewhat because they are Affected by our Habit-of-Ethics. But really there is Choice. When Ethics come into it there typically is Choice. It is why Ethics are Ethics, and not law.aim, or try to, and Being Ethical is a big deal, then ofc these Choices then become Ethical choices also. Somewhat because they are Affected by our Habit-of-Ethics. But really there is Choice. When Ethics come into it there typically is Choice. It is why Ethics are Ethics, and not law.

Syl: - Finding an example is not easy.

T: - Ok...

Syl: - So...

T: - ...

Syl: - For example. I interact/consult with someone. The interaction is premised on Resolution. I am helping with that.

We came to a point where everything lines up, from the U. Circumstances fall into place to perfectly facilitate the changes they need to make. Everything around them is Assisting them. All they have to do is go along with these circumstances and not cling and go with their old ways. It's all falling into place.

Our conversations/interactions are about the magical things that are happening that are helping them. I make a very very big deal out of it. And the focus of it is, "When the U reaches out a helping hand, we can under NO circumstances piss on it. If we do that, the hand is withdrawn and it is difficult to get it back.”

Well, the hand of the U gets well and truly pissed on. They were massively upset with themselves after the fact. They have failed to seize the opportunity the U presented and instead chose once again the old choices they are desperate to get away from. They fully expect me to cease interaction.

Which I can if I wish to. I can wash my hands of it all and leave them to what they had before. I am a volunteer. Under no obligations. My explanation of the pissing of the hand was fully comprehended. I made sure, via TakeAways, that it’s full import was comprehended.

So, continuing or not, is a free choice for me. There is absolutely nothing one way or the other from the U for me. No force-of-Circumstance and so on.

So it is a free Ethical Option.

So how do you proceed if it were you?

T: - ... Agree.

Syl: - Agree on?

T: - Taking that helping hand. Reading the signals.

Syl: - Ah. So what would you do in the situation?

T: - Not do the old stuff.

Syl: - What about if you were me? Would you continue interacting or not? Or? Maybe some other option I am not considering. Always cautions with binary options. They are seldom the only ones.

T: - Probably not. Depends how earnest s/he is.

Syl: - Yes. So you agree there is choice. Ethically there is choice. Yes. My Choice is an Ethical Option. Yes?

T: - Ah, yes. <3

Syl: - Just something for you to sleep on.... The decision of how to act in this case for me could revolve around Nobleness, yes?

T: - Yes.

Syl: - Noble behaviour is like the Ethics of True Option.

T: - I find the concept of Nobility hard to relate to.

Syl: - Ah. It’s essentially: When you do Good things but there is absolutely no need to.

Syl: - Like throwing a drowning person a life-preserver is not Noble really. That just a decency imperative. We have to do it.

But Noble is doing what is good and so on when there is absolutely no need to at all. Noble is going above and beyond for no reason whatsoever.

T: - I see. Ethics is not always about duty.

Syl: - Yes exactly.

T: - Plenty of ethics is volitional.

Syl: - Yes. Optional Ethics :) When we venture into Volitional Ethics, we venture into Nobleness. :) <3

T: - Is that the short definition of Nobility?

Syl: - Yes <3 :)

T: - Ah.

Syl: - You behave Nobly sometimes. :) Overlaps with your ethical stances. :)

T: - Are you thinking of examples?

Syl: - No not off-hand. But if it comes up I will say so. Noble is a tricky word and concept. But you certainly have plenty Noble intentions and mindsets. Your entire perspective on Ethics is a Noble Perspective. Noble is subtle. :)

T: - My perspective? Howso?

Syl: - Your Desire to be ethical, and you making actual real efforts to be so is a most Noble mindset.

T: - What kind of efforts? Like preventing a good intention from being used for evil...? I can't pretend I don't see the possibility.

Syl: - Haha, you have a Noble soul, even if you not sure how to implement it exactly. But that too is part of Being Noble. Persisting despite not knowing. Wanting and Choosing to be Good, despite it all, despite being clueless. That is our lot. No matter how much we learn, we pretty much always feel clueless. :) :D <3

“I can't pretend I don't see the possibility” - Exactly!!!! Nobleness. :)

T: - How do I not know how to implement...? :)

Syl: - Cause we don’t know everything. :) Haha, Ok, teasing, but true. But more in just the difficulty in relating to the term Noble itself. It's hard to implement what we unsure of.  We can ofc do it intuitively and actually do so without knowing the term, as you have done. But to do so *Deliberately* as a lifestyle, that is a different matter.

It also means and necessitates an unhooking from the trappings of ego, including those inadvertent assimilations like “Unique” used to be. Or Snarkyness and stuff like that.

So really, bringing the Noble-Self to the fore deliberately, requires much in the way of Awareness, especially Self-Awareness, particularly in the area of Motivation.

Which brings us full circle. Back to Effort-Reward. The original idea of "Unique" is to be "Special." Which really, when we get right down to it, is a desire to be *Unequal* in some way.

However, when we closely examine Effort-Reward we come to see that to be "Unique" or "Special' requires lots of Effort. There is always an Effort-Reward Trade-Off. It always balances out. What is worth the Effort to one is not worth that same Effort to another. It is exactly this difference of Reward that makes us individuals.

The marvellous Cosmic Balance of it all is, that no matter how hard we try to be "Unique" and "Special" we can never actually get there. Because we have to make so much effort. That is why Effort-Reward is a Circle. It's always a Trade-off. Therefore any place on the Effort-Reward Circle is always Equal to any other. How much Effort is worth the Reward is always an Individual Decision.

Once we realise Effort-Reward is a Personal Choice, we realise that *ALL* our true Individual Decisions are actually Unique, and we realise our Unique Choices also make us Equal.

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