#in conclusion Kakashi is therapist's nightmare

[huskymaine]

I think the whole problem with fandom's protest on "Kakashi should tell Sasuke on how he got Sharingan or he was together with Itachi in ANBU" or "Kakashi should tell Naruto about his father being Kakashi's sensei" is that they forgot the core of Kakashi's character, the thing they showed us on Kakashi's first introduction with team 7.

THIS. MAN. DOESN'T. FUCKING. TALK. ABOUT. HIMSELF

We are talking about a man who has exact same trauma as Inari yet on he told Inari "You know Naruto is actually same as you 😊"

We are talking about a man who was never honest about why he was late and never will

We are talking about a man who faced with a hurting boy screaming "I lost everyone and how about I killed everyone you loved too" with a vague "shame everyone has already been killed 😊" answer and refuse to elaborate

We are talking about a boy who were never tell his teammates why he strictly followed the rule and preferred to be seen as cold-hearted bastard

We are talking about the teen who was called "Friend-Killer Kakashi" and never spoke any protest

We are talking about a man who instead of talking "actually White Fang is my father and he already died when I was 5" preferred to be beaten by random granny and hide behind his student

We are talking about a man who preferred to send Shikamaru to talk with Naruto and relate about the pain of losing a teacher, like dude, you once lost a dear teacher too! And unlike Shikamaru you know Jiraiya!

We are talking about a man whose his bestfriend whom he idolized told him "you let Rin die" he didn't say ANYTHING about the fact that the situation is way outside his control and was like "yes I am scum but you are hero 😔"

Like think about it for a second. If we're using Obito's logic a.k.a Kakashi let Rin die while the fact is Kakashis was incapable of do anything in his situation, the OBITO also let Rin die! He promised to protect Rin before Kakashi. He was actually alive! Yet he was not strong enough to break the wall on time and he was not fast enough to save Rin. He's also a scum.

Which was exactly Obito's point and why he wanted total world reset.

The only one who doesn't see that way is Mister internalized-all-of-my-pain Kakashi.

We are talking about a man who did "I will bear the responsibility to kill my best friend" first before his zombie teacher catched his hand and was like "you should talk to Obito because you have shared pain and understand Obito the most". Why? Because even in Kamui dimension he spoke about Rin's feeling, Obito's past feeling, but Kakashi NEVER thought to talk about his own emotion.

(People often mock Talk no Jutsu but most of them mostly misunderstand that as constant yapping and complaint. The principle of Talk no Jutsu is very simple. You said "I know what you feel. I understand you pain too, because I HAVE YOUR PAIN TOO. You are not alone so how about we together find the other way to heal this pain?" to someone whose hurting and acted on unrelated person. So basically the father of Talk no Jutsu specialist asked the Talk no Jutsu allergic 🤣)

Once I saw dudebros on youtube praise that Itachi and Kakashi are the ones who never talk about their pain. But unlike Itachi who literally CAN'T since his pain is a state secret, there's absolute no restriction for Kakashi to say anything about his condition, which he can use to help his students and perhaps other people. That's why in ask meme I say that my least favorite thing about Kakashi are self-deprecation and sometimes he was too apathetic to handle things that need his utmost concern. And I think this fandom debate shows how detrimental those aspect affect Kakashi's ability to properly help his student (that's why unlike those dudberos I don't particularly like them or seeing them as Kakashi's plus points). But unlike fandom who apparently saw those flaws as Kakashi's ACTUAL moral defect, I and probably many other Kakashi fans saw them as Kakashi's disability.

This is Kakashi's mental problem with very understandable reasons that we've shown through the show (not to mention Kakashi's own introvert characteristic outside his trauma). It's not "Kakashi doesn't want to help, Kakashi was being ignorant" he WANTED to help. He was literally desperate to help. But because of those aspects by instinct he chose ANY OTHER WAY than to vocally admit his pain. This is disability and fandom demonize or even overly praise it IMO shows how they treat deliberating mental disability. That's like demonizing someone who has stage fright for not giving satisfying performance, even if that performance is affecting someone's life and death.

This is how you create real life Sakumo

P.S : you are PERFECTLY FINE to not like Kakashi because of this aspect. I saw many people say "I like/dislike a character based on how they treat [insert their favorite character]" and conclude that Kakashi didn't treat the said favourite character right, and that's completely fine. But that just means you have different preferance and bias. That doesn't mean you have the ONLY CORRECT PREFERANCE and those who disagree with you and voiced it (if you posted in on any accessable social media and didn't use bashing tag are in the wrong. What's not fine is treating it as moral defect that needed to be harshly corrected and Kakashi is "bad person" and those who like him "liking the wrong character". In our modern standard Kakashi is someone who is definitely not mentally suited for teaching and I think all Kakashi fans acknowledge it. But rule in ninja world is different and like Kakashi we are forced to deal with it. Regarding morality in personal level Kakashi is NEVER OBLIGATED to vocally admit his pain let alone willingly use them to help others. In my opinion (and Naruto story I think) the action that is morally wrong and needs to be stopped at all cost is lashing out from pain by actively and deliberately hurting other people outside of those who actively hurting them first. That's why character like Nagato, Obito, Gaara, Sasuke, even Neji as long as they did that action are treated as antagonist who need to be stopped and corrected no matter how right you think their political stand is.

hi! how do you feel about sasuke and kakashi’s relationship? i find their interactions so cute but there's this thing that i've been seeing recently in the naruto fandom: how kakashi dismissed sasuke's pain regarding the massacre and wanted him to completely forget about revenge.

i agree he could've handled his situation better (when they first met again in shippuden is still an issue for some reason) but personally i think that wasn't what kakashi hoped for him, he wasn't expecting sasuke to get over it, he would've fully supported sasuke's idea of seeking justice for his entire clan wiped out there's no doubt, however, i don't understand why certain individuals want kakashi to be the biggest villain in sasuke's story when I'm pretty sure that he was one the few adults in the show who was on his side and tried to advocate for him

Hi!

I think Kakashi and Sasuke's relationship is interesting and I would have loved to see more of it. There's frustratingly little interaction between them on screen though, largely because I think the plot demanded certain things to remain secret.

There are so many things Kakashi could have talked to Sasuke about or at least mentioned but I'm not sure if Kishimoto had even figured out those details that early on. It makes absolutely no sense that the whole "how the fuck do you have a sharingan?"-thing never got brought up at any point, by anyone. There's a huge, absolutely massive Uchiha-shaped elephant in the room whenever Kakashi and Sasuke are within shouting distance of each other and while I blame Kishimoto for this, I can see how some might blame Kakashi as a character. He could probably have been a bigger support to Sasuke than anyone else in the village because of his unique insight into the clan's and his brother's history. He might not have wanted to insert himself in that part of Sasuke's life though or risk opening wounds even further. Just the thought of Kakashi going "Itachi used to be my teammate" when Sasuke first declares his mission of revenge? I would have paid to see it.

Imagine him going like "Yeah I was there to clean up the corpses your brother left behind and oh did you know your entire clan was under surveillance? Me and your nii-san used to go through the footage together on the days when we weren't out assassinating people and there you were, running around all innocently on the monitors. I think your brother really loved you" like, shit is fucked up. In hindsight it is truly insane how much Kakashi knew that could have made little Sasuke's mind just, explode.

So yeah, there are plenty of things to pick from if you want to hate on how Kakashi communicated (or rather didn't communicate) with Sasuke. Him dismissing Sasuke's pain is not one of them though, that's just not what happened.

Kakashi tells Sasuke to forget about revenge in a rather direct and not very helpful way because of course Sasuke won't forget about it, it's not that simple. Kakashi is a direct sort of person though and not a therapist so the approach is a bit clunky. However, telling Sasuke to forget about revenge is not the same as saying "forget about what happened". Kakashi is saying that dedicating his life to revenge will make the pain even worse, and he was right about that. Right? We can all agree that Sasuke's suffering increased every step of the way towards and beyond revenge until he finally got back to Naruto again?

Anyway.

Kakashi could have said "we're going to kill Itachi anyway because he's a threat to all of us" but do we really think Sasuke would have liked and accepted that? I personally think Sasuke would have hated that, but I'm no Sasuke-knower. It just feels like he really wanted to do it alone, and if his teacher had allowed or encouraged that I would say that's a bad teacher. I don't think Kakashi would have suggested killing Itachi to get justice either, that's just another word for revenge really. I think Kakashi would have liked to see Itachi stand trial to figure out what happened and why he did what he did because that's his old teammate and things were not adding up with the massacre thing. That's pure fanfiction territory though, and another discussion completely..

So, I don't know what these people are saying when they think Kakashi dismisses Sasuke's pain and I don't want to argue against shadows. I know this discussion isn't new, I saw people make posts about it last year too. I also don't wish to make enemies with the guardians of Sasukes feelings.

But.

Sasuke dismisses other people's feelings quite often and Kakashi reminding him that he's not the only one who's experienced loss was good. Sasuke should have been reminded of that more often. Get mad if you want but Sasuke's way of isolating himself with his trauma, saying nobody could ever understand his feelings while simultaneously not caring about anyone else's feelings was bad. Unhealthy. Making him think outside of his own experience for just one moment isn't dismissive and I get a bit worried for those who think that. Trauma is not a competition where we pit our experiences against each other to see who has the most legitimate claim. Kakashi wasn't trying to erase or minimize Sasuke's experience with his own and I think that if you make that interpretation you might have to take a few breaths and meditate on the human capacity for empathy. Kids need help to develop it and Sasuke got a lesson he needed to hear.

Hate the teacher if you want but he will be there to back you up when you come back to school with a new haircut and unique outfit

and he teaches you everything he knows, including the very, very deadly things because he trusts and believes in you

and he'll catch you discreetly when you fall

and he'll sacrifice his own blood to help you

and yeah he'll say true things you don't want to hear

and he won't say "I told you so" when he ends up being right

but I will.