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why do you hate the netflix show? i'm genuinely curious, as my wife adores it and was also a huge fan of the animated series growing up.
I mean the TL:DR of it is I just think it's a bad show. I found the pacing strange, I didn't like half the characters so it was hard to root for them, Season 1's plot was so awkwardly paced it was boring, but in Season 2 there were like 3 different plot points per episode and I found them hard to get invested in. The LONG answer: my 3 biggest problems with the show were (!):
The blatant racism/whitewashing
This is pretty self-explanatory and I've gone over it before , so I'll keep it brief; the show's whitewashing was the biggest turnoff for me. Musa and the fake out Flora (because Eliot Sal WAS originally Flora, hope whoever made that change got a bonus) were awful, and then the treatment of Dane and Aisha's characters sucked (being taken advantage of by Riven and turning into a huge asshole, and Aisha being turned into Bloom's life coach). We got a little more diversity in Season 2, but by then it read more as a response to backlash than anything else. Same with Dane and Aisha; Aisha gives a little speech in Season 2's first episode where she says she's done being Bloom's life coach, and then proceeds to get a boyfriend who's secretly evil and lies to her all season. And Dane acts like an asshole for 2 scenes before he's shoved to the side as a supporting character.
2. Homophobia
Again, recap from my last rant; Season 1 was very straight. The Bloom/Sky/Stella love triangle took center stage, the only non-straight character was Dane, who I'm 90% sure was bisexual but we'll never know because not once in Fate: The Winx Saga does anyone say the word 'bisexual.' The closest we get is Dane saying he finds both Riven and Stormy Beatrix hot. But Dane, Riven, and Beatrix turn into this awful polyamory thing that goes on for like an episode and a half before it breaks up, and it's never spoken of again. Season 2 gives up an openly lesbian character, Terra, but her love interest (a female specialist whose name I don't remember) is in her own on-again-off-again relationship. Terra and the girl do get together, but last the audience knew the relationship was on! So Terra gets a girlfriend, but said girlfriend is a cheater. Gay rights? oh, and #JusticeforFrancesa
Those are the serious reasons, and with those out of the way I would argue the other really big reason I didn't like Fate was
3. THERE IS NO FRIENDSHIP
At the end of the day you can take away magic, the Specialists, and a lot of supporting characters from the show because the core of it - the reason Winx Club works so well - is because these six girls are best friends. The show is about them going through school and breakups and universe-saving together, and kicking ass at it because they have each others back. It is the show's central theme, it's where the best writing is, and where some of its best moments come from (for me at least).
Fate...does not do that. They started the series out making Sky the one to show Bloom around Alfea and introduce her to things instead of Stella, sidelining one of the strongest friendships in the series for the sake of a love triangle. And it only goes downhill from there! I get the whole 'take an episode or two to figure out where we stand as friends' but by the end of the 1st season these bitches are still fighting over the dumbest shit! We start out Season 2 with Stella using invisibility spells again so she's not seen with the other girls - I don't even think Stella likes any of them by the end of the series! Sure everyone goes to classes and plans dangerous missions to save the world together, but outside of that it doesn't seem like they even like each other. There are moments sprinkled throughout where they're supposed to be genuine friends, and they're easily some of fate's best stuff (the car scene in 2x01 is an example). But they're also awkward, because 20 minutes ago they were sulking in their rooms and yelling at each other about their lack of communication. They aren't deserved is the point I'm trying to get at here, and the only way they do feel deserved is if you a) already know their friendship dynamic because you watched the animated series, or b) you follow the actors on social media, where they actually talk and hang out like best friends.
The strongest friendship in this entire series isn't any of the girls - it's fucking Sky and Riven. Because they were pre-established best friends, had arguments throughout season 1, but by the end of season 2 had come back together because the world was in danger, and they both knew despite everything, that they would have each other's backs. Do you know how badly you have to fuck up, where one half of your best friendship is the queerphobic, predatory asshole character, and the other half is a slice of untoasted Wonder Bread?
Do you know how mad Riven would have been if Sky went to not-Omega with Bloom in the season 2 finale? He would have been fucking pissed and ordering everyone to a classroom to give his 30-slide power point on how to get them back within 3 days. Meanwhile Bloom doesn't actually say goodbye to the Winx girls, she just writes them letters and says goodbye to Sky in person (because it is well established that Bloom and Sky's romance is more important than the girl's friendship, let's be honest). And then girls are all hugging and Stella's crying that Bloom's gone and I just thought 'you spent more time with Beatrix than Bloom this season Stella, why the fuck are you sad.'
This is all a longwinded way to say the central theme of friendship was pushed aside for CW-style romance, which made the core cast of girls unable to connect, which made the show bad.
Fate had the same overall runtime as a single season of Winx Club. Later seasons are bad, don't get me wrong, but those original 2004-2007 seasons had twice the character moments, more concise plots, and felt way more fun than anything I saw Brian Young put out these last few years. I would watch an original season (and even season 4! sue me!) any day over Fate the W inx Saga.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk, and probably don't show your wife this.
#anti fate the winx saga#netwinx#liz suffers with netwinx#liz gets questions#anonymous#im sure this was a way longer answer than you expected nonnie#my bad#ive just had a lot of pent up feelings on this show#long post
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rosy, I realized I made it sound like my parents are abusive but they're really not. they're incredibly supportive of what I want to do in life and help me a lot. bc of my anxiety, I can't always see clearly so I appreciate them being realistic anchors. it's just too much sometimes. it's just in some instances like this, im flabbergasted at their behavior and don't know how to handle it. i think it's partly cause they're from such a patriarchal society (they're Asian) that that's all they know.
Okay, nonny, sorry it took me so long to get to this, it was really too long and complicated for me to answer, so I’m leaving out the actual asks and just speaking generally, to your final statement. (sorry guys, the longer an ask is the harder it is for me to answer)
It sucks. We are born into our families the way they are and we inherent their dysfunction. It sounds like, not only is your family coming from a traditional patriarchal society but it’s also been damaged by some abusive parenting in the past. Your parents learned how to parent from their parents, and you ay your grandma was abusive. This is a cycle of abuse. Even if your family isn’t as toxic or your parents aren’t as bad as your grandmother, you’re all still feeling the effects of that.
Your family is supportive of you, and yet they are still gas lighting you about what has happened and constantly undermining your sense of reality by calling you over sensitive and over reacting, while validating your brother for doing the same. Yeah. Sucks. Your family comes out of a patriarchal culture, and I don’t know if that’s the Asian part or the western part or a combination. It doesn’t actually matter because there it is.
From what I read, you aren’t delusional or wrong. But you’re also not going to change them. At least not from where you are. I don’t think. I don’t know, if I were in your shoes I’m not sure I would have the energy to. Because I would have other things I’m working on, like getting ready for grad school, thinking about my dreams, working on my anxiety, spending time on things I like to do. I’d spend more time on myself, my self esteem, my goal. And recognize that my family was a part of who I am, but not the whole of who I am.
How do you deal with a not so great situation when you are not ready to leave or move on? You get your ducks in a row. Save your money. Get ready for grad school. Do what you need to where you are. If you want to avoid confrontation? I don’t know, avoid it. It saps your energy to always fight, and wanting to seek justice when your parents live in a world where this injustice is the way it’s supposed to be is exhausting. But you are gearing up for a life where it ISN’T. Give your attention to that future.
I’d work on setting boundaries. Make sure you get to spend time with your friends. That the things you think are important are taken care of, while also working with your parents to take care of the things THEY think are important. You don’t have to agree on women’s roles in society or what your future is going to look like. You have a right to your feminism and identity even if they don’t agree.
I know, from discussions I’ve had with students from immigrant Chinese families that they have a different idea of familial responsibility than many of us have in the west, and that can be a conflict for a person who has grown up in western culture. I’m not sure how to deal with that. Pretty sure your relationship with your family is pretty strong from what you say, even with your struggles, and it’s going to last even when you are out living on your own without the daily expectations, and juggling your concept of yourself with their expectations is going to be a continuing part of your life, even when you have more power over your daily life and interactions.
I hope this helps. I don’t feel like there is a simple answer to give you that will solve things. So I just want to validate your concept of self and independence and acknowledge your complicated struggle with your family.
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