#im specifically talking about the transfems who make hating transmascs and cis women a full time job

[butch-bakugo]

Its not a shock to me that most "transandrophobia doesn't exist" people are trans women, mostly white trans women. They have a very specific image of what a trans man looks like and it's only two categories: the hyper fem, tits out, make up, twink trans man who doesn't pass nor try to and the hyper masculine, bearded, t'd up, all the surgeries, big buff trans man who you could never clock. They genuinely think every "transandrophobia truther" is lieing about not getting privileges they don't fucking have.

They genuinely believe every trans man passes and therefore we get male privilege and they get backed up by trans men who do pass and think a cis man making rape jokes with them and asking about their lift set is male privilege. Lemme shatter the illusion because as much as you like to scream about some wide spread privilege that doesn't exist, most trans people, in general, do not pass. This is especially true for trans men due to the hyperfocus society puts on feminine features. I have never met a fully passing trans man and I've met over a hundred personally irl. never. I know they exist but the fact y'all think we, en masse, get male privilege is factually just fucking wrong.

Trans men are not more acceptable or palatable to transphobes. Trans men are not more likely to pass. Trans men in mass do not get male privilege by virtue of our lack of passing and our medical history. Most trans men are still affected by the gender pay gap and thus can not afford surgeries.

You do not acknowledge the existence of non-passing trans men, only uphold the voices of trans men who pass and have the money for surgeries (a small percentage) then wonder why trans men laugh in your face when you make claims about male privilege we do not experience.

We are more likely to be conversionally raped than you. We are more like to be forcibly detransioned than you. We are more likely to experience domestic violence than you. We are more likely to experience hate crimes than you.

Trans men's hyper visibility in online spaces dose not transfer to real life visibility. You are more likely to see white cis gay men and white trans women in any media or ever mentioned than even white cis lesbians or white trans men. Your rhetoric is the origin of the "theyfab" myth. Our issues are invisible to you cause you do not care about other trans people besides yourself and other transfems. Everyone and their trans mother knows about transmysogny and the issues you personally face yet you expect trans men to be silent about their issues and feel like they should be silent because they are men. Trans men are more likely to experience litterally all forms of violence over trans women in every single avenue of violence that exists; religious, sexual, domestic, familial, etc. We are more likely to be stopped and abused before we socially transtion than anyone else due to hyper vigilance of society over afabs. You can scream all you'd like about how we only bring up our sex/the gender we are often raised as when it's convenient but you always ignore those often traumatizing experiences when it's convenient for you.

Many Transmascs and trans men had a traumatizing upbringing because society views us as "bad women" and " bad women" get treated so much worse and by many more angles than "bad men" specifically because we were forcibly assigned as women. You take advantage of a lack of nuance in the community by trying to group us with cis men specifically because you group yourself with cis women. News flash, neither of us and our experiences should be grouped with ANY cis group because we do not have cisgendered experiences.

I seriously think you think you are the most oppressed group in the trans community and you are not, not by a long shot. You are not the most oppressed group in the transgender community and that's a statistical fact. The most oppressed group, by far, are two spirits and cultural genders by virtue of them being inherently indigenous and indigenous people being the most oppressed race of people in the community regardless of the location they are indigenous to.

You are literally taking advantage of the things that were drilled into transmascs at a young age to be seen and not heard and to be quiet and let others talk, that they are lesser than everyone. Everyday there's a new story in the community of a cis man or a trans woman getting a trans man/masc pregnant to hurt them or force them off t or to detransion, this is not a fucking accident. You are not men, no one ever said you were, but you sure love to silence them like they do.

I'm not quiet, you do not intimately know our issues the same way we do not intimately know yours, You don't get to tell us what we do and don't experience and the fact you'd rather cry wolf and suspiciously call us "bitches" than hear us out, tells me everything i need to know. That alt right to trans woman pipeline you said you escaped? Yeah, you didn't. Ur just an alt right trans woman, Try Again.

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callout for lovethatdiscourse

if you’re a discourse blog, especially if you participate in either side of ace discourse, please reblog this and spread awareness!

specifically this is regarding ‘mod a’, one of two mods who runs lovethatdiscourse. they are viciously and proudly transphobic against trans men and afab nb people, believe that a good chunk or most of twefs/terfs are trans men/afab nb people, and use violent speech such as death threats against other trans people who disagree with them.

(bulk of the post is under a cut for length)

(#1: I assume all afab trans/non binary people (no matter how male aligned or not) are terfs until I’m given evidence to the contrary. #don’t reblog // #don’t reblog you fucks #twefs // #mod a #this isn’t about any of our followers btw #I mean if you follow us at all it probably means you’re not a terf so there’s that lol)

(#2: dfab nb people are cancelled #the nbcourse #the dfabcourse #mod a #transmisogyny #if you all don’t stop purposefully dancing around that....)

(#3: Asker: About 90% of Terfs are cis stop blaming this on trans men. There are afab trans ppl who are Terfs but they are few and far between. Terfs hate trans men too. They want to ‘help’ trans men by calling them women.

lovethatdiscourse: I’ll blame whoever the fuck I want. #twefs // #pieces of shit gallery #mod a #Anonymous)

(#4: Asker: mmm youre super transphobic bye lol

lovethatdiscourse: That’s trans men’s favorite word to describe transfeminine people they don’t like... I ever so wonder why that could be................

Trans men have been calling me transphobic for years for putting them in their place. This isn’t new and it’s not making me run with my tail between my legs lmao. Especially when these transbr0 fucks wouldn’t bat an eye at being called transmisogynistic, which they fucking are.

And it’s so not a term that can describe any unifying experience among all trans people (in fact, quite often used specifically against transfems). Like I doubt anyone would contest that. It’s a term used by and for transmisogyny exempt people (and these transbr0s don’t know what that even means lmao!)

So I’m not falling for any of this. I’m not falling for this notion that I can be “defeated” with a word that lost any meaning of solidarity when trans men let accusations of transmisogyny roll right off their backs.

Like it’s soooooo fucking transparent that this faux misgendering will be made into a huge deal but these simpering trans men are still scratching their heads and running in circles to defend their words when I suggested those words were borne of transmisogynistic thinking. I’m not falling for it a phaisti! #the transbrocourse #transmisogyny #mod a)

(#5: I should be over trans men’s inability to be truthful about anything. I really should, but alas I am not. #the transbrocourse #mod a)

(#6: Like, do not be fooled. Trans men lying about me and what I say is them using their most useful tool in harming transfeminine people. Trans men lying about transfems has led to numerous incidents where transfems were run off the site due to harassment, doxxing, and threats.

It’s like it’s their natural instinct. #intellectual dishonesty #transmisogyny #the transbrocourse #mod a

I cannot reiterate enough how much trans men annoy me #mod a)

(#7: Asker: You need to step down and stop referring to guzma as a woman what the fuck. And none of their group has said that trans men have it worse than trans women, literally none of them think transmisandry is real and only just said that cis women still oppress trans men so cis privilege Does mitigate male privilege in some instances. Also neither of you are trans women so why are you talking for us?????

lovethatdiscourse: Stop pretending you’re a trans woman you gray circle with glasses motherfucker, and I’m transfeminine so I’m speaking for myself Gertrude. 

And I know someone would be dumb enough to think I was calling any of those transbr0s women. Especially because they all have literally used the defense “we don’t pass as men we aren’t in the same class as cis men” to push their bad opinions. 

Go crawling back to your creepy obnoxious clique. 

Ah I found out you’re most likely bitter-wizard, someone who’s not a trans woman at all, so lmao not surprised there. #reading comprehension #intellectual dishonesty #the transbrocourse #mod a #Anonymous)

[NOTE: lotusveil was hella nasty in their own right but thankfully they have deactivated since]

(#8: lovethatdiscourse: I honestly hate that certain crew going around saying “hating binary trans people isn’t progressive” because I know their intrinsic motivations. It’s another case where gender neutral terms benefit trans men while offering nothing to trans women. 

But it’s a correct statement! But I know that they’re hiding behind the implicit grouping with trans women to avoid criticism. Which only provides evidence to me of how manipulative they are, knowing full well that they openly disapprove of people hating trans men. But they don’t say that hating trans men isn���t progressive, because they know people could and probably would argue against that, using legitimate Discourse, so they have to hide behind trans women yet again. 

I’m probably just riding my usual high of cynicism and paranoia cocktails, but I really, truly do not trust these men, under any circumstances ever. 

lotusveil: as a trans woman: shut up. 

you’re turning trans men into a scapegoat so you can pretend to be our ally while actively sidelining us and it’s gross as fuck.

lovethatdiscourse: “And yes I saw the don’t rebubble and ignored it” all that makes you is a complete and utter waste of human life that’s better off buried 300 feet under a glacier in Antarctica. Like congrats, you accomplished nothing other than getting blocked. You tried it though?

And I’m transfeminine you stupid piece of shit. At least have the wherewithal to like read a simple about page before your barely has 10 posts “I’m an authoritarian communist” truscum ass decides to smear your vile idiocy all over my blog. 

Die.)

(#9: playugly: im just saying, straight cis men will learn your politics and infiltrate your community or safe space just so they can have a chance to fuck you.

lovethatdiscourse: As will straight trans men. #just saying

Asker: So basically cis gay men are welcome to mod this blog but not straight trans men... what the actual fuck.

lovethatdiscourse: Yeah pretty much. Straight men aren’t welcome here. #eat my transfem ass br0 #Anonymous)

(#10: But I’m not kidding trans men (and all transmascs) terrify me #I hate transmascs #mod A)

there are more screencaps besides but this thing is long enough. if you use tumblr’s search (click here) you can see for yourself what a wreck of a person they are. i would definitely recommend all trans and nb people block + avoid this blog for their own mental health and safety. please avoid any sort of contact with this person, including anons.