#im pretty future robin was in fact nightwing

[cinnabeat]

this is irrelevant but you know in the 2003 teen titans show there was that one episode i think where future robin showed up or whatever? i hated his future self so much i was like i do not perceive it this is not real to me this never happens

[misspickman]

good morning! give me your opinions on ... okay this is hard i'm trying to come up with something that a) is a decent question that's not just "do you like honeydew milk tea" or something and also b) i genuinely don't know your take on for real. and the problem is that we yell about our takes at each other like daily. um.

okay how's this. open ended. in your opinion, what's the best vibe for tim's hero identity in the future? (not like rebirth future but like. the general postcrisis sandbox where we prefer to live.) any thoughts on names, costumes, etc?

...but also now that i'm thinking about it. in your opinion whats the best cold bevvy?

Hii<3 its good u specified not rebirth actually bc for rebirth i have no idea theyve made him so boring i cant think of anything that could be fun, but in a pre flashpoint future.. Im trying to think of something that would be thematically appropriate/something i can see tim coming up with but im so stumped bc both robin and red robin have been someone elses first and tim feels so tied to being a legacy guy, which isnt bad but. U know. I will take anything but robin at this point. Ive seen cardinal and rook around and i think you mentioned red heron once? Which are all great i enjoy them and i would love to see them. Britta and i also talked a lot about rosefinch but thats for a specific au... The thing is all these feel very random? I like them but i dont think tim would google a list of birds and just pick one he wants to be now (which is what i do. When trying to come up with a new tim identity) like i would like it to be something thats meaningful, like nightwing got offered to dick with a fitting story and robin is already a symbol, but i cant think of anything for tim rn.. It doesnt even have to be a bird tbf as much as i love a good bird. So im open to ideas i would love to hear what takes people have on this

Design wise i think ive been pretty loud about how much i love red robin in my ideal (and laziest) world i would simply keep that suit but thats not how it works.. I would definitely keep the cowl thats my one strong stance of the costume. Like aside from the fact that its sick in a freak way it is actually a good mask that conceals the face which. I know comics dont tend to care about but i do and i like it so<3 I also like this second design i think something like that could be fun it would never happen in rebirth but a girl can dream basically predictably enough my ideal costume would just be a modified red robin costume

Best cold drink imo.. Pineapple juice. Mango juice. Those multivitamin juices. I love a good cocktail a lot also a friend has unfortunately got me into hell (energy drink) and the cherry flavored one especially rules

[vinnybox]

i woukd love to see the orgin story of how dick become a talon and how did they find him

A!! Im glad you're interested in finding out QuQ So far I've had played around with two or three ideas! None are canon yet until I figure out what works best for this AU! This one is quite hard to answer since I don't have a solid idea yet ;v;

I did make a Toyhouse page for him to sorta put all my notes and info of him, but it's far from complete and things are most likely going to be changed in the future as I try to polish it!

Again! This is very cannon-divergent, and Im probably going to be making stuff up while taking bits and pieces of the comics, or other medias to try and make things work out. Like.. a glorified science project.

Ideas Rambling beloooww of how things might have gone down! sorry I took so long to answer haha

How Court of Owls got their hands on Nightwing

In this AU, The Court initially was going to take Dick in when he was younger following the death of his parents, but Bruce adopted him first so their pursuit was put on pause and they sorta kept to their own business for a while. Years later when Dick shows potential as Robin, the Court had taken an interest again but they hadn’t planned any actions yet. They only wanted to recruit Dick even more once he became Nightwing, so they have Talons keep an eye on him at a distance and specifically told them to remain unseen while they prepare for the perfect time to recruit him. The court eventually got their hands on Nightwing and blackmailed him into “Joining” them maybe by threatening to leak Bruce and Dick’s (Maybe even some other bat fam members too?) identity and also threatening to break them one by one.

Dick of course went with them and specifically told them he’ll stay as long as they don’t bring his family into this and kept their end of the deal. The court accepted, but they knew they won’t have to keep the end of their deal for long once they’re done with what  they have prepared for Dick.

Nightwing becoming Talon:

CW! mentioned torture.

While with the Court, he’s pretty much being put through having his body physically modified through mutation, have his mind and body broken down until he’s lost most of what makes him who he was. They’ll only need him as a loyal assassin to serve them.

So what Dick had to deal with is him losing little bits of his memories until most feels like scattered fragments along with the physical and mental torture the Court inflict on him if he doesn’t obey their orders. So other than the heaps of physical scars and injuries, he had to deal with his own mind, trying to stay strong while guilt weights down on him and the hope of rescue became further away from reach.

How the Batfam found Nightwing

I think how they found Nightwing would be having one of the family from the bat fam have a run-in with Talon!Dick (maybe Tim?). Maybe they fought at first before like, Dick’s mask got knocked off and they’re like “Oh shit no way-” and Dick escapes and disappears again, but now they have a better lead and confirmation that the Court did, in fact, took Dick.

I think in this AU, Batman did had encountered the Court of Owls before, but the Court instead of waking all Talons like in the comic, they held off for now??

In short, I am now doing this.

So in summary, I’ll fix any plots hole as we go DHSGDH Im so sorry for any confusion. Trust me, I’m also confused HDGHSJD