#im most unsure about the harvey stuff

[basalting]

can i ask about what youve got planned for chapter 2 of the angat fic you posted?

the angst fic in question

so without spoiling everything (and bearing in mind that not all of this will end up in the fic) this is what ive got planned

dick coming back to gotham and all of the messiness that entails

his fight with bruce

his fight with ALFRED

maybe even his fight with BABS

his grief and guilt over jason

alfred and his perspective over everything

thinking about how loss has changed bruce before and how it will change him now (aka my headcanon that after his parents died bruce became extremely agoraphobic and the struggles relating to him dealing with that)

now that bruce is throwing himself into work and being batman the manor is back to being as silent as it was when bruce was gone

him going to see jason during his weekly visit to thomas and martha

alfred trying to reach out to dick and being rebuffed

alfred setting up the memorial in the cave??????

harvey stewing in arkham

his POV of returning to arkham with bruce after the funeral

my take on that harvey beating the joker up post i made lol

[elfdyke]

hello its harlisleys on my main!! for enrichment: what are the friend groups in the maxverse! do the sirens get along with the birds of prey? any thoughts about where the other rogues fit in? love ur designs so far!

im gona put the answer under the cut cuz i made little relationship charts to go with this and it gets long dkfgdkfjgdf

ALSO THANKUUU THIS WAS VERY ENRICHING Q__Q <3

OK off the top of my head, here are the main friend groups

harley quinn, poison ivy, selina kyle 

barbara gordon, dick grayson, jason todd

harley quinn, poison ivy, dinah lance, helena bertinelli

and then some ! important dynamics are- 

selina + bruce

harley + helena

harley + dinah

harley + joker

jason + ivy + harley

barbara + joker + jason

jason + bruce

bruce + barbara

bruce + harley + ivy

cass + harley

cass + barbara

(im sure i forgot some but these r like. the most important ones i can remember!)

this is gona be very much a harley centric world but i do wana explore other dynamics and relationships!! i know i wana dive more into the birds of prey characters as well as the batfam!!

FOR THE OTHER ROGUES!!

i know i want to have twoface/harvey and bruce be weird ex almosts from college, which causes a lot of strife. 

scarecrow and harley know each other and are friendly!! 

harley and deadshot hook up during suicide squad activities (harley would be removed from the team after her first mission via Bruce Wayne, but she does end up being forced into it). also im channeling assault on arkham vibes with their dynamic. he canot rly stand her but isnt actually cruel to her, and she is mainly just using him but feels affectionate towards him.

i have not thought abt how the dynamic would work storywise but i desperately want killer croc and harley to be friends. i will reflect on this

black mask is super important for dinahs story!! hes like. her main villain : (

red hood is very important in my story!!! harley and ivy take him in after the joker kills him, and ivy revives him with the powers of the green, causing him to be connected to it as well (though he has no control over it and the things can do are very weak/not relevant to him skillset wise). hes basically harley and ivys gay son dkfgndkf, he views them as his parental figures over bruce, and while this is mainly to Spite bruce, he really does trust and care for them. more ivy than harley bc .. harley does some fuck shit. but he cares for harley too

heres some chronological relationship charts ft. birds of prey and gotham city sirens : )

(basically during the original bop, babs and dinah start it, then renee and helena join later, babs n dinah have a very awkward dynamic with helena bc shes gay and has never rly seen Other gay ppl, and barbara is very hostile and takes her staring at them as her being homophobic so. its not GREAT!!!)

(a while after the birds break up, harley and helena end up working together and end up hooking up a few times, its kinda weird, kinda tender, and its mainly just harley trying her best try and give helena a little support which is at the current time pretty uncharacteristic for her)

(the sirens are together at the same time as harley/helena hookups, this is the longest of harleys joker free periods so its when shes at her healthiest, though she is clearly still struggling)

(this is a massive jump in the plot but. its for the relationship charts. we skip past a huge arc ft harley/ivy getting together, and becoming safe and settled with each other. harley and dinah meet up and begin a gay little fwb relationship post bop events , bop events are similar to in the movie but i did take my own spin on them, so theyre. also different ! ) ((also also just 2 be clear, while ivy was jealous of helena, that was bc she wanted the intimacy and love harley was giving her. now that they are in a committed and healthy relationship, ivy is ok with harley having certain other partners that theyve discussed n agreed on! its very much something they talk about unlike what the comics show :/ ))

(babs ends up initiating the birds of prey’s comeback. dinah and helena are both very unsure abt it bc uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the last time they worked together ended. VERY BADLY!!!! which i will release in more detail Soon. but. they end up agreeing and actually do form a rly good cohesive team and despite the awkwardness of their dynamic get a lot of good stuff done!)

[daedalusdavinci]

also hey- as im writing more bruharv stuff, i just wanna point out that like. while some people might treat two face and harvey as interchangeable in their works, ive put in a very real and conscious effort to treat them as the separate people that they are. two faces opinions are not harveys, harveys are not two faces. while they may share similar viewpoints sometimes or work together to achieve a goal, this does not mean that theyre the same person

i think a lot of people just dont know a lot about did, and like- not all people with did are a monolith, obviously, but working off of the resources ive been given and what ive heard from my friends with did, most alters (around people who know who they are) prefer being recognized as their own people and dislike being referred to with the wrong name. and in canon, two face regularly corrects people who refer to him as harvey!

while harvey and two face are fictional, theyre characters that perpetuate a lot of really harmful ideas about did, which has a real, tangible impact on the lived experiences of people with did. i think this makes it all the more important to be conscious of how we refer to them

so, please just try to avoid leaving comments referring to two face as harvey? its making me kind of uneasy and ive been unsure of how to best address it.

all of that said, if anyone with did has suggestions for how i can better address this and handle this in my comment section, please let me know. im still learning a lot when it comes to did and i dont want to be a source of authority on this topic

that said please dont reblog this lol i dont want ppl coming to me for info when they should be looking to ppl with actual did. i can offer resources if needed, but thats it

[winterywitch]

aaa i saw u rb a lot of fl stuff and 👀👀 do u play fallen London... do u have any characters/hcs for it

i used to play it a lot!! unfortunately my disabled ass just could not keep up with the fancy prose💦💦 plus the big name fandom as i remember it was trash anyway

all i was really into was the masters anyway but im sure i would get into more if i got back to it!! light fingers was REALLY fun i hope to finish it one day. im also kin w mr eaten which gets very weird and Feelsy

!! i do have some characters, they're all sapphic women except one who's aroace

lois liddell - aroace, mostly uneducated at least in comparison to a lot of the other fancy folk running around the neath, very cockney, punches a bunch. had a qp crush on the quiet deviless but got her heart broken ;-; mostly dangerous and persuasive in terms of stats, in (qp) love with @cocoacasualties' FL oc booker, she's here to kick ass and chew gum. in her future she's some kind of general and she works with the calendar folk?? i think 👀 she also vaguely becomes death itself but that's lore im just not super brushed up on unfortunately... iirc her ambition was hearts desire?

ophelia hollingberry - hypersexual bi ace, very blunt affect and T_T-style line-faced. she's autistic, that was important for me in the sense that it helped me get a little closer to realizing im on the spectrum (more towards the DDNOS and asperger's end of the spectrum than autism but those don't ^_^;;;; exist anymore technically). also she's a survivor which in her case kind of draws her to sex work. it's safe and only happens on her terms, sexual interaction has never worked that way for her before. she's a little scared of romance though because she doesn't often feel it very profoundly and the last person who loved her committed suicide bc she didn't love him. she never realized that was a purposeful, cruel thing to manipulate her and scar her emotionally. she also has a bad leg and doesn't like shoes, she walks around in scarlet stockings (but like with a long enough skirt to not immediately die of scandal lol). she starts out a pretty big fan of mr wines just in terms of what he's doing and his fun little sex work ring but she comes to be disillusioned with the masters as a whole, later finding them unanimously corrupt. which she's not exactly wrong about? her ambition is light fingers which has only traumatized her further but another personal ambition of hers is to sexually pleasure the vake. yes, she's serious, she insists with that T_T look on her face. she has weird pseudosexual tension w mr fires, @hauntpark's FL dude harvey is kinda sorta her partner she's still working through what she wants but she's also desperately in love (semiromantically?) with @scherzotz's lady, ivy. mostly persuasive and shadowy stats-wise. she's doin fine. i think she becomes a huntress in parabola which is like SHES DOING, REALLY FUCKIN GOOD

vivienne armani - ophelia's aunt! she's a lesbian and she's like in her 40s but she fell into a coma in her early 20s because she studied the correspondence and it kinda, slightly flooded her head a little (im still figuring out how that even Works but correspondence is a fuck 6284882989 dead constables etc). she's still mentally in her 20s but she's really really trying to catch up. she's had /some/ luck with it! being the freaky vodka aunt isn't too hard. she loves danger and horrifying thrills and actually has a bit of a Thing(tm) for blood which leads to some Confusing Feelings for @scherzotz's lady, hester - but she's staying appropriate, she knows the physical gap in age is pretty big between them and she respects that. she had an older husband when she was pretty young mostly as a financial thing and a protection thing, there were a lot of nasty men trying to marry into her family - said husband was more like a friend to her than anything. they never had children and he never had sex with her or gave any romantic overtures, period. and he was really her first friend she could trust and marriage was one of the only smooth avenues that they could meet in unfortunately, in vivienne's very traditional and misogynist circle of society, but someone murdered him. her ambition thus is nemesis and she's having a great time! she loves hats a lot. mostly watchful and shadowy in terms of stats, she's very smiley and she's doing her best! her future seems to be liberation of the night

dorothy ernest - she, is a lesbean. she and the next girl are way less developed but she was made out of spite at first bc the fandom was very racist in a lazy britaboo "this society is post racial!!!2" kind of way. so she's not ambiguously brown like one of her inspirations was in the least she is unambiguously black and if she had her way she would really have nothing to do with these pretentious shitty white britaboos, but alas they're most of the important NPCs and ocs and her ambition is bag a legend which needs her to make connections to even figure out what she's looking for. she doesn't think she's gonna get very invested in this beyond it being a way of proving herself to the neath as someone it and the surface shunned and abused but she actually gets weirdly into the bazaar lore and like she thinks it's ridiculous bullshit that could have easily been fixed if everyone perhaps spoke to each other a little more, which she's right about, but she's weirdly into it nonetheless. she's very like 👀🔪📝🍵 "go on?" mostly dangerous and shadowy wrt stats, unsure what her future is

stella isabella - i dont know SHIT she's a living doll and right now she's a pretty young kid but she wants to be just like @scherzotz's oc hester which is worrying. however she never does, she just becomes /cooler/ as an adult than hester seemed to be. so that's good. her ambition was going to be enigma if i ever figured that shit out, she's mostly shadowy w/ stats

(collapses) we did that lads