#if you want any explanation behind any of these... venus has an entire presentation -mercury
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The Milgram characters’ Enneagrams!
In short, I disagree with most of their current placements on personality database so I made my own list :)
Es: 1w9 Jackalope: 8w7 Haruka: 3w4 (as opposed to 4w5) Yuno: 2w1 (as opposed to 3w2) Futa: 4w3 (as opposed to 6w7) Mu: 9w8 (as opposed to 2w3) Shidou: 5w6 Mahiru: 2w3 Kazui: 4w5 (as opposed to 6w5) Amane: 1w9 (as opposed to 9w1) Mikoto: 9w1 Kotoko: 8w9 (as opposed to 8w7)
#admin venus#milgram#ミルグラム#enneagram#for those who don't know enneagram is a personality sorting type system#sort of like mbti#and personality database is somewhere fans can vote on what they think people are#a lot of them just feel... off to me?#i'm by no means an expert but i think these are better#amane's on THIN ice between 1w9 and 1w2 though so idk about her#also trial 1 kazui is acting like a 1w9 or something#i'm theorizing with my 4 pick#if you want any explanation behind any of these... venus has an entire presentation -mercury#deadass she made and presented it to us -mercury
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Astrological Evaluation of Charles Manson
This is a simple analytical case study of Charles Manson in which I will focus primarily on the astrological explanation behind certain quotes of his. You may need basic knowledge of Manson’s life and crimes in order to understand what he’s saying. (It’s a pretty long post so I put it under the cut.)
“The only thing my mother taught me was that everything she said was a lie, and I learned never to believe anyone about anything.” || Lilith in Cancer, the true ‘dark mother’ archetype, permeating & thus ruining the childhood; feeling betrayed, used, abused, neglected, and manipulated by the mother and all adults that took her place, emphasized in suffering and hatred by Pluto’s conjunction. Pluto in 4th opposite moon in 10th representing a very toxic relationship with the mother / caretakers that manifest in hostile distrust, leading the native to believe that reality is relative (Aquarius) and he must decide it for himself through experience and ultimate self-actualization (MC) leaving no room for help from nurturing figures; he felt that he had to create his own truth and more or less fend for himself in matters of belief because no one else was worthy of his trust (he only trusted himself).
“If you’re going to do something, do it well, and leave something with you. Leave a sign to let the world know that you were there.” || Saturn in the 11th house causing a desire to be remembered, to leave his mark on the world, to have an objective cultural significance. North Node conjunct moon in Aquarius in the 10th house representing an overwhelming sense of purpose & a need for that purpose to be recognized; feeling accomplished in his publicity, as if his crimes brought the notoriety he believed he deserved -- a satisfaction strong enough to share with others, hence the tone of ‘giving advice.’
[To reporters after conviction] “Love’s not in your courtrooms and God’s not in your hearts.” || Possibly the most interesting quote in this entire post. I doubt that he believed in either love or god but both of those things were held above all else in the late 60s so this was the ultimate instance of manipulation, tying together the values of everyone who hated him & presenting the world they lived in as something hypocritical & pretentious while also assuming the role of someone with superior knowledge of these things. Certainly a Scorpio sun conjunct Venus in the 7th house statement; reflecting back exactly what the people around him didn’t want to see in a way that made him look better than them. Jupiter in the 7th as well -- adopting a concept he didn’t believe in to make his point, stealing a principle and turning the tables with it. It was in this moment that he fully resigned to his alienation & realized it was better than belonging to such a foolish liar of a society (Aquarius North Node).
“I told you and I’ll tell you again: I did not break the law! I can do anything I want and never break the law. I did not break the law. It’s the same thing that Jesus Christ told Pilate, man, he said ‘you’re blaming me for your problems.’ You’re trying to put the blame on me and it doesn’t fit. I’m not Richard Milhous Nixon, I’m Charles Milles Manson.” || Blatantly disowning accountability, turning crime into a matter of opinion and subjective morality, presenting his belief in his own innocence in combination with his critical philosophy about laws (Aquarius moon square Ascendant and Jupiter; Saturn in the 11th house). Typical Scorpio/Aquarius antics: using buzzwords to get his point across, name-dropping the most important people of 1969 among whom he took the liberty of including himself. He paints the president as the problem instead of himself, or considers himself a reflection of it rather than the source (7th house stellium). Condemning blame and blaming someone else in the same breath in his bitter, clever Scorpio Mercury way.
“Here’s one of my sins, and I’ll confess to you, clearly & openly to the world: I never realized how much mind I was holding with these people. I never realized how weak you people are outside [of prison].” || Again, disowning accountability; refusing to accept his own dark motives (Scorpio Descendant) and pinning the events he’s accused of orchestrating on the faults of others (Jupiter in the 7th). Condemning those who were easily controlled by him but refusing to see the corruption in the control itself (Scorpio sun in the 7th house). All of this under the guise of a confession that’s meant to reveal hidden or unexpected innocence (chart ruler sextile Neptune).
“I never realized that the people outside are much different than the people inside. [...] If you lie, you get punched, you get misused. You don’t lie to the lieutenant, lieutenant don’t lie to you -- there’s a certain amount of truth in prison, and being raised in prison, I was pretty much raised in the light of that truth. [...] And when I got out, all your children come to me because they never had anybody tell them the truth.” || He’s referring to the fact that he spent the majority of his life in prison, which can be represented by having the ruling planet of his moon (planet that rules our inner home, domesticity & developmental youth) in the 12th house (of institutions). His Aquarius moon also indicates that the thing about prison that imprinted on him the clearest was the equality he perceived. He expected the rest of the world to conform to what he appreciated about prison (Saturn in the 11th, moon in the 10th) but it didn’t and he became an active figure of it by way of passive principle (Aquarius North Node in the 10th house conjunct moon, Capricorn Midheaven, 10th lord in the 11th). He grew up believing he didn’t have power, that it was constantly taken away from him (Scorpio sun in the 7th house); he didn’t think he had so much control, and continued to believe that it was more about his authenticity (moon in 10th) than anything else.
“I didn’t go to them, they came to me! You’re stealing my music everyday! You’re writing my songs, you’re playing my game.” || A sense of his originality and uniqueness being the mark of a martyr; feeling like his individuality (Uranus) and power (Scorpio/sun) is constantly stolen (7th/12th houses). Ironically not noticing the fact that he orchestrated mass murder and proved something radical & shocking about society in the process, showing that his individuality/power are still his, and in fact everything that happens to him is a result of those things (both the 7th/12th work with the unconscious).
“[I told them] you do what’s best for you, you do what you feel is right -- now, whatever you think is right has got to be right. All I’m doing is, I’m walking with you, I’m walking in line with you. What you do is up to you! It’s got nothing to do with me.” || Cultivating, guiding, and becoming something of a ‘father’ for a community (Saturn in the 11th house) but also separating himself from it (sun in 7th). Encouraging individuality, bravery, independence, divergence from the beaten path, decisiveness, belief in oneself, self-care, and creativity (Aquarius moon) but with the intention of it turning into something destructive on a grand scale (moon square Uranus in the 12th and Scorpio Jupiter in 7th). Extreme manipulation in building others up to think everything was their idea (sun trine Pluto, Pluto square Uranus).
“How am I going to feel remorse? What am I supposed to feel remorse about? Everyone says ‘you feel no remorse’ I said can’t you see I’m not guilty of anything?! Is The Beatles responsible? I play music, people are affected by the music I play -- that doesn’t mean that I directed traffic, that I put a knife in someone’s hands, tell ‘em go kill somebody -- I’m not that stupid!” || Disguising his destruction as art (Mars-Neptune conjunction in the 5th house, Aquarius moon opposite Pluto) and not seeing any harm in his particular crimes because of the mere fact that he played no literal/direct part in them, or in other words, detaching himself from the gruesome facts and attaching to the vague beautiful themes he consciously invented (Scorpio sun-Venus conjunction in the 7th house sextile Mars-Neptune conjunction in the 5th). Presenting everyone else’s perspectives as outrageous and irrational, acting as if he is the only person who actually knows what’s going on (Aquarius moon, Saturn in the 11th house square sun-Venus conjunction).
“[I’m] mad as a hatter, what difference does it make? You know, a long time ago, being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody’s crazy.” || Uranus in the 12th house, accidentally disowning his originality & genius through believing it has been taken away from him, universalizing something that is uniquely his own. There’s defeat in this statement; you can tell being ‘crazy’ is something he values (as opposed to conformity/normalcy), but there is a piece of collective consciousness wedged in between his values and his identity, causing acquiescence to lacking significance. More irony; he was arguably the most significant criminal ever at the time. He didn’t see it.
[Interviewer: You had them thinking you were Jesus Christ, how did you do that?] “Just by being myself. All men are Jesus Christ.” [They are?] “Sure.” || His own odd little brand of satire, simultaneously criticizing and elevating religion, society, gender, and himself (Aquarius moon). A peculiar universalization of masculinity (Mars conjunct Neptune in a sign of women). It was relatively easy for him to fool people into thinking he was some sort of savior with moon conjunct North Node in Aquarius in the 10th house; powerful, acute purpose paraded as something sacred, rare, and once-in-a-lifetime.
[Interviewer: What do you think it is about you that makes people want to be a part of whatever you’re doing?] “I’m brand new! Everything I do is always brand new. I’m on the premise of reality. I walk a real road. I’m a real person inside, I’m not a phony. I don’t put on no airs. I say what I think.” || Entirely an Aquarius moon in the 10th house thing; he places authenticity above all else, and thinks raw emotion or philosophy is the pinnacle of being a real person, but he fails to realize that his intentions were concealed all along the way in his Plutonian 4th house. He presented himself as vulnerable but he was protected the entire time by his detachment from reality. There is nothing real about him but he believes he is wholly present due to his intellectual openness. It’s because of society’s mind games; he rejected those, and figured he was an open book because of it. It’s the equivalent of answering someone’s question about your plan with “you already know” and expecting that to be true. Transparency was his disguise.
“I’m not a celebrity. I’m not a person to interview, I don’t like to play interviews. But I’m stuck under a game of ignorance. I’m stuck under little-brained people.” || Detaching himself from the media & everyone in it; immediately asserting the absence of any investment in the interview on his part, and thus illustrating its meaninglessness; he’s relatively honest about his position and intentions, making his opinion of the people around him obvious (Aquarius moon). Saturn in the 11th house creating a harshly critical viewpoint of the way information is shared in society and a lack of respect for the very structure he finds himself in. A Saturnine need to be superior, bigger.
“Everybody’s got something to blame, because they don’t wanna look inside themselves.” [Interviewer: What do you see when you look inside yourself?] “Inside myself? I see everything. I see all. I see the good, the bad, the evil. I see the whole thing.” [How much evil is there?] “As much as you see.” [What do you see?] “All of it. Right down to the peaks you haven’t touched yet, dreams you haven’t dreamed, and worlds you haven’t conquered. The mind is endless. You put me in a dark solitary cell and to you, that’s the end of it. To me, it’s the beginning. It’s a universe in there -- there’s a world in there. I’m free.” || I don’t have a lot to say about this one. It’s almost too pure to analyze; this exchange is probably the best example of Uranus in the 12th house I’ve ever witnessed. There is no way to measure, confine, or explain the genius of Uranus, electrifying the waters of the subconscious to the point of no return. The only point I want to make is the dichotomy between Uranus being his undoing and his saving grace at the same time; it is both the reason he’s in prison and the reason it doesn’t matter. Painfully ironic how the thing that puts him in a cage is the thing that makes him feel free within it. This quote is a glimpse into a very private world, a crumb of insight into his mind, a tender reflection of our inability to touch him. And as strange as it is to consider, the tragedy he created & the consequences it brought him are signs that he achieved his North Node destiny, just not in a healthy way. Imagine the wasted potential.
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