#if you think i'm annoying here jesus i'm something else on twitter

[exqorcism]

Honestly, I’m getting tired. It’s literally bts pics from a tv show. He’s not even playing Jesus in the show. People are just looking for a reason to hate him at this point and it’s really pathetic. I was not okay with him posing with those guys and I felt like people had a genuine reason to be upset with him, but I also thought double standards were rearing its ugly head again. Let’s get mad at nick for posing with guys dressed as Lyle and Erik but let’s like and repost thirst edits of Nick and Cooper made up of scenes from a show where they play … Lyle and Erik Menendez. People are holding him to a standard that other celebrities aren’t held to. He can’t do anything without people picking him apart and “canceling” him. It’s honestly annoying.

YES YES YES 🗣️ louder for the cunts in the back!

nicholas chavez is not problematic.

so. i actually feel so bad for him because it must be so hard. he's just gotten popular how long ago... a month? two? and people are trying to cancel him so bad.

he can't do ANYTHING without getting hate - first people started bringing up his love life - since when is it anyone's business? calling him a bop, a man whore. people are feeling way too comfortable nowadays.

next ━ "nicholas doesn't support the brothers", "he doesn't give a fuck" ━ how can YOU know that. he doesn't owe anyone a ny thing. he doesn't need to be as vocal as cooper is about it ━ as i wrote in here aaand here. i honestly won't even talk about it anymore after this post because it's fucking annoying.

the picture with the dicks dressed as menendez brothers ━ disgusting. i'm not gonna defend this one because well. he could have refused to take it. he's a grown ass man, for gods sake. although, as i mentioned before, he is HUMAN. he is LEARNING how to be a big star, what he should and should not do. let's not pretend we are all angels, bffr. we all make mistakes, and sometimes we don't even realise we do something that might be considered wrong.

now... the (hot) god damn pictures... can we stop being so sensitive and fucking annoying!!!!!! 😁 i saw that post and thought that he looks so good, the brat dance made me smile sooo much ━ then i saw the comments... he is not. mocking. religion. he is not mocking your beliefs or your god.

"cancelling" an actor for being an... actor is fucking embarrassing. i just have to laugh.

why is everyone so obsessed with this man, with everything he does? why are haters the first ones in his comment section? god, even i am not that fast and i'm fucking obsessed with the guy. come on... people just hate to hate.

and! surprise! he doesn't owe you an apology ━ if you're offended by the pictures ━ because it's just the show. people think he dressed up as jesus for halloween... do your fucking research. read the caption. stop harassing the poor man i swear 😭

in this house we don't hate on nick ━ of course he needs to be held accountable for the menendez brothers picture, no explanation needed ━ but nothing else.

it's kinda funny because my man is just working, being an introvert and people think he's a soulless narcissist.

i guess people just hate rich, popular and hot men that live their best life... i kinda feel sorry for them, ngl.

and one more thing before i finish... nicholas' love life. the insults i've seen online are so concerning. why are people so comfortable to comment on other people's relationships? why do people believe everything they see on tiktok or twitter? calling him a "man whore" is wayyyy too much. like let this man breathe around another woman? or have female friends? god forbid talk to another woman...

i don't want to comment on his girlfriend because... i want need her man, why would i even talk about her 😭 i have my own opinion but lemme just not...

woof woof i'm yapping. but yes anon, i agree with you. 100%.

and finally! if u wanna talk about it (or just talk about nicholas...) then my dms are open!

and remember!!!! to treat people with kindness ♡ 🫧

(celebrities are also people).

[zyntifada]

I think that as fans of Hasan we are allowed to criticize him or not agree with everything his says or his every approach to each issue. I too get annoyed or mad at people who come into the chat with accusations and saying stupid shit, and generally I don't find them to be particularly justified, but at the same time, hey. They have grievances and they are airing them out directly to the guy they are upset with and they are getting a direct response. It's their right to say their piece even if they are wrong, and the fact that they often get him to reply to them and explain why he thinks they are wrong is more than most people get.

But anyway, my point is that sometimes BadEmpanada makes good pooints. I would like to just be mad at him and shut down all his criticism of Hasan, but I don't think I can. I do think that he's being unfairly cynical and I don't agree with his assessment of Hasan's character, but then again, maybe that's just the parasocialist in me, because it's not like I can claim to know Hasan better. I watch him every day for several hours, but what do I know about what's going on inside his head? At the end of the day I'm just a fan and he's a guy on the internet that I watch.

I just find it disheartening that it's impossible to have a conversation about Hasan's shortcomings because everyone immediately jumps to his defense. And i do get it, my first instinct is also to defend him in most circumstances, because to be fair, a lot of the hate he gets is unjustified and doesn't even qualify as "criticism", it's just straight up factually bullshit. On the other hand, so what are we supposed to do? Agree with everything he says always at all times?

Some people might say "if you don't like him then turn off the broadcast and go do something else", but that's stupid. The point is that I DO like him. And I do agree with him on most issues. He's the first to say that someone you agree with on most issues is your ally, even if there's some major disagreements, and I agree. So I'm gonna keep following him and i'm gonna keep being a fan of him. It's just that sometimes I wish he took a different approach to some things. Am I not allowed to be unhappy with how he's handling something?

This isn't even about what BE said in his recent video, although I could get into that as well because I have thoughts. I already have my own grievances with Hasan because of his coverage, or rather lack of coverage, of what's happening in Turkey. My partner got yelled at on hastwt for daring to bring up the issue, but I agree with my partner. People insist that he covered it, but he didn't cover it well enough. He left out so much. And even while he was covering it, there was fucked up shit happening in real time and he didn't address any of it.

I can't entirely blame people outside of Turkey for not knowing what's happening there. I think if I didn't have a Turkish partner living in Turkey, I would be one of those people. But the fact is that I do know because I've been keeping up with it and I see it all over Twitter. So I find it crazy that he doesn't think he should cover it properly, considering he's Turkish himself and he has ties to the country, he has family here, etc.

Like, there's things like these sometimes that make me disappointed in him. Listen, he's not the second coming of Jesus. I know he's not gonna be perfect and always perfectly approach every single issue in the ideal way. He's human, he makes mistakes. I'm still a fan even if I'm upset about this stuff. But the fact that we can't say shit without rabid fans coming out of the woodwork to aggressively shut down any criticism is insane.

We, all of us, as a community, need to do better.

[jlf23tumble]

I read through your larry post and you mentioned the peace ring. Harry wore it last over a year ago in September and on the anniversary twitter larries were waiting for it to come back, they even wanted a harry london walk with him wearing it. That pap walk they would tolerate. When it didn't happen, they turned to louis. He had a show that day and wore a green shirt, olive green, olive like offering an olive branch, like asking for peace, bam peace ring was back! I cringed so hard when I read that but I used to be like that too so I couldn't even be mad. But then I started questioning my sanity and if everything else i believed about clues and messages larry was sending was wrong and made up. probably most of it. But then i think about the louis maison shirt on harrys house release day and I question it again. But I'm chill about all this. Maybe they broke up a long time ago or maybe they're on off, maybe still together, maybe in an open relationship. Whatever we'll never know so why stress about it. I think mostly on Tumblr everyone is more relaxed about it. It's the new larries who don't grasp any of this and think management is still controlling them and larry are blinking more code at us that are annoying as fuck.

anon 2: Not that anon, but thank you for your that brilliant long ask answer you just gave. I joined in this crazy H&L world only last January after I caught wind of the second E breakup and it really felt like "holy shit, there might really be something here, they really might be about to come out, etc." It's been an interesting time so far in the fandom, and I think I'm more in line with your way of thinking recently. Things just feel...meh. There's a weird coldness to the fandom right now, almost a forced belief like you mentioned in your previous answer. I'll always believe there was SOMETHING going on, but to this current day? Probably not. Thanks for your sanity. :)

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Amazed anyone read that long-ass answer, lmao, but thank you! As for thinking people on tumblr are somehow more relaxed about it, beg to differ, anon 1, based on a quick lurk just this sec, but kudos to you for keeping that dash locked down! Without much going on at the moment, it's quiet in the deep, so to speak, but make no mistake, it's out there, waiting! Even today, there are people out there saying, ooooh, tons of larry signs at Louis's show near the stage, and you could see how happy he was compared to last night!! Like, it's some kind of GOTCHA, ipso facto, and uh, yeah, that's not cause/effect, bb, but okay! Spread that shit! Live your version of the truth! For real, you can make ANYTHING a reach if you have the arm capacity for it, give me two pieces of something, and I'll stitch it for you, whole cloth, there's a 28 in it, I just know it. It's always so tempting to whip up a sideblog that goes full hog unhinged, like, jesus, it's not hard, lmao

[merevide]

sorry dear mutuals for being annoying about she-hulk. you’d hate me on twitter.

[ingravinoveritas]

Generally, I agree with you. However.

Georgia would have known about the announcement being made on Sunday. She obviously also would've known where David was. Apparently, she even double checked with him.

So I don't think that she was lying when she said that the OP couldn't have seen David. Especially now that she's continued to insist that he wasn't there at the time OP claimed to have seen him.

I mean, it doesn't make sense for Georgia to lie about that, she'd have literally no reason. Not even trying to keep up an alibi would make sense, given the facts that a) we got the announcement 24 hours later anyway and b) she now didn't step back and said that she was trying to keep the secret safe (knowing the fandom, they would've praised her for it anyway and she easily would've found a way to turn the situation funny or whatever).

I honestly don't give two fs about Georgia, but I really feel like she's not the one lying here. She could and should have handled the situation with much more grace, you're so right about that. Or she could have just ignored the tweer, but she never seems to be willng to do that. If OP really wasn't telling the truth, for whatever reason, ane that's what it looks like to me, I even kind or understand her impulse. Hm. But yeah, I don't think she's lying when she says that David wasn't seen.

(I do care about the WHO fandom a lot and I do not want to believe that the woman who made the original tweet received death threats. I mean, Jesus. I don't get it. Mean and mocking comments, yes, sadly, but death threats over something like this? I don't know. But whatever happened, it's the people who send messages that are responsible for these messages and they alone, not anyone else and no one else is to blame, I think. Just as a sidenote. If she's telling the truth about the extent of negative attention her claim has received thanks to Georgia that's disgusting and I'm ashamed for other fans).

Yeah, I guess what I'm trying to say here, very badly, is that Georgia doesn't seem to be lying, which would also explain why she's still reacting to the matter. That doesn't seem to be a perspective you've given a chance.

I honestly think that the fan just got lucky with her timing and wanted to add something to the countless rumours on Twitter, these tweets always get a lot of attention from excited fellow fans after all. And unfortunately for her Georgia saw the tweet too and possibly got annoyed because she identified it as not true. She could've just let it go, of course. Maybe that would've been the wise decision. But again, if it was indeed a lie concering David, which still seems to be the case, I low key get why she didn't and got salty.

This isn't to blindly defend her, but just to... provide another perspective, which I believe to be true. Just wanted to add it to your discourse I suppose.

Hi, Anon! Well, first let me thank you for this lengthy missive, and also to say that other perspectives are always welcome on my blog, and I appreciate you adding to the discourse.

So, I hear what you are saying in regard to Georgia and the incident that took place last week. I think that if we were talking about just that one woman who said she saw David, your argument could be very plausible. The problem I have, however, is that it wasn’t just that woman: Multiple people said they saw David in Cardiff. 

You said that you don’t think Georgia was lying or would have had a reason to lie, but I would contend the same thing for the people who say they saw him. What reason would multiple people/fans have for lying about seeing David in the same place, at the same time? Not to mention that when I’ve seen fans make up stories about encountering celebrities in the past, it’s usually something far more elaborate (for example, ”I met David today and we looked into each other’s eyes and he said ‘Georgia Shmorgia’ and we fell in love instantly”) instead of something as mundane as simply seeing David on the street.

Looking at the screenshot above, we can see that the other folks who did see him had tweeted about it and then deleted their tweets after seeing what happened to Christine. And while yes, those fans are absolutely responsible for the disgusting and inappropriate things they said, Christine would most likely have never become the target that she did had Georgia not deliberately drawn attention to her tweet in the first place. So given all of this, it seems more and more likely that Georgia was covering for David, got caught out/made to look bad, and then doubled down because she was annoyed/embarrassed about it.

Now, in terms of what exactly Georgia could have been covering up for David...you do have to wonder. Because as you said, Anon, there had been countless rumors about David taking part in the DW 60th anniversary special prior to last week’s announcement, so it was hardly a big secret, and why would need an alibi for that? There’s also the fact that (according to those who saw him in Cardiff), David declined to take a picture with fans. David, whom we know from one particularly infamous anecdote, will sign autographs anywhere, and recently took a selfie with a fan when he was at Disneyland for his birthday despite being there with his kids.

But something that others have mentioned to me--and I fully acknowledge that this is pure tinhattery and speculation--is what if there’s a chance that David was meeting up with Michael in Cardiff? Sure, he could’ve been there to take those DW promo photos with Catherine Tate, too, but again, that wouldn’t be something to cover up. But Michael slipping away a week before AL had baby #2 for a secret rendezvous with his boyfriend? That would be pretty cover up-able. So perhaps Georgia wasn’t even covering for David, but covering for Michael at David’s request, and threw that fan under the bus to do so. And again, this is not because of one particular “big” thing, but all these “little” things that slowly add up to something much larger.

Again, as I said, all of that ^ is total tinhattery and speculation, which I have put forward just to give some sort of explanation as to why Georgia is still reacting to this and continuing to push a particular narrative, despite multiple fans saying they saw David in Cardiff.

In any case, I think we do agree that we’ll probably never know for sure what happened, and that all Georgia really did was make a messy situation even messier because of the way she handled it...

[uncloseted]

This is so off topic lol but does anyone else remember when PewDiePie the YouTuber was like..a n*zi?? Like I feel like everyone just forgot about him doing a bunch of really offensive stuff and he still gives me the ick to this day bc of all the stuff he did. Did he give some really grand apology or do people just not give a crap?

So there's a lot to say about this, but the quick TL;DR is that he's an edgelord who made his career on "ironically" being offensive, but I don't think that makes him a Nazi, that other edgelords really don't care if he's said offensive things, because they also think that kind of humor is funny, and that at least some of his followers are actually neo-Nazis, white supremacists, or part of the far-right, so they unironically agree with the offensive things he's said.

First, just for the sake of combating cancel culture more than anything else (I know, I'm horrible at being a leftist), I want to investigate this claim that "PewDiePie is a Nazi". We're seeing some essentialism in that claim- instead of criticizing whatever PewDiePie has said or done, it's escalating the claim into an accusation about the kind of person PewDiePie is- "a Nazi". Because of that, I want to take a step back and look at the controversial things PewDiePie has actually said or done so that we can all be on the same page for the rest of this conversation.

Let me know if I missed any, but the controversies I could identify are the following:

criticized for making rape jokes and trivializing sexual assault (2012)

In his early videos, PewDiePie made jokes about sexual assault. These were usually in the context of referring to beating his video game opponents as “raping” them, but also included a video called "It's Raping Time". When called out about it by fans in October of 2012, PewDiePie posted the following response on his Tumblr and took down the video in question. From what I can tell, the rape jokes ended after that.

Joked about joining ISIS on Twitter (2016)

In August of 2016, PewDiePie tweeted the following and got temporarily kicked off of Twitter:

The context here is that PewDiePie unverified himself on Twitter in protest over the company’s “annoying” verification process. After he became unverified, an obviously fake tweet which appeared to be from Sky News claimed that he was unverified on Twitter “due to suspected relations with ISIS.” PewDiePie's tweet is purported to be in response to Sky News' tweet, which he found ridiculous.

Anti-semetic Jokes (January 2017)

In 2018, A Wall Street Journal report found that nine of his videos, between August 2016 and February 2017, included "anti-Semitic jokes or Nazi imagery". The big one here is a January 11th video that included two men laughing as they held a banner that read, “Death to all Jews,” and a Jan. 22 video, in which a man dressed as Jesus Christ says, “Hitler did absolutely nothing wrong.” Both videos were taken down in 2018. He also showed a clip from a Hitler speech in a Sept. 24 video criticizing a YouTube policy, posted swastikas drawn by his fans on Oct. 15 and watched a Hitler video in a brown military uniform to end a Dec. 8 video. He played the Nazi Party anthem before bowing to a swastika in a mock resurrection ritual on Jan. 14, and included a very brief Nazi salute with a Hitler voice-over saying “Sieg Heil” and the text “Nazi Confirmed” near the beginning of a Feb. 5 video.

PewDiePie responded to the controversy with the following:

In other statements about the incident, he has said that, "I’m sorry for the words that I used, as I know they offended people, and I admit that the joke itself went too far. I do strongly believe that you can joke about anything, but I also believe that there’s a right way and not the best way to joke about things. I acknowledge that I took things too far and that’s something I definitely will keep in mind going forward, but the reaction and the outrage has been nothing but insanity.” He also said that, "If for some reason Nazis think it's great I'm making these jokes, I don't want to give them that benefit so I'm going to stop doing it. It's not me censoring myself. It's more like I don't want to part of it."

Saying the N word on a livestream (September 2017)

This one is pretty much what it sounds like. While livestreaming PUBG on YouTube Gaming, he used the n-word in an expletive-laden rant.

He later apologized in a video called, "My Response" saying, "It was something I said in the heat of the moment, I said the worst word I could possibly think of, and it just sort of slipped out. I’m disappointed in myself because it seems like I’ve learned nothing from all these past controversies. It’s not that I think I can say or do whatever I want and get away with it, that’s not it at all, I’m just an idiot, but that doesn’t make what I said or how I said it OK. Being in the position I am, I should know better. I know I can't keep messing up like this, and I owe it to my audience and to myself to do better than this, because I know I'm better than this. I really want to improve myself and better myself, not just for me, but for anyone that looks up to me, or anyone that's influenced by me, and that's how I want to move forward away from this." Earlier in that same video, he discussed the culture of gaming that includes the casual use of racial slurs.

Called (some) female gamers "stupid Twitch thots" (May 2018)

This one is also pretty much what it sounds like. In a video, PewDiePie claimed that "Twitch thots" are hurting “actual, decent female streamers" because they "are just interested in making a buck through parasocial relationships.” I don't think there was really an apology for this one.

Insensitive Demi Lovato meme (July 2018)

This one I don't totally understand, but the gist of it is that PewDiePie posted a meme on Twitter about Demi Lovato's drug addiction after she overdosed in 2018.

PewDiePie's response was, "Deleted meme. I didnt mean anything with it and I didnt fully know about the situation. I realize now it was insensitive, sorry!"

Promoting anti-Semitic channel E;R (December 2018)

In December of 2018, PewDiePie released a video in which he says, "You also have E;R, who does great video essays. He did one on Death Note, which I really, really enjoyed." E;R is a YouTube channel that, among other things, was criticised for making a joke that included a parallel between the Charlottesville rally and Netflix series Death Note.

PewDiePie responded to criticism by saying, "They have hidden Nazi references in their videos, obviously if I noticed that I wouldn’t have referenced him in the shout out. Not because I have a problem with Nazi references being offensive in themselves, but because I said that I was going to distance myself from Nazi jokes. Generally, I’ve done that. I don’t really have a reason to dip into that again; it’s stupid." He continued by saying that, "[I'm promoting Nazi propaganda] by what? By saying I enjoyed his anime review? Yes, he does have Nazi references in [his videos] and I see them now, unless you play close attention…these references will go past you. The irony here is I’m supposed to be the Nazi but I don’t get any of these goddamn references. Anyone with a level-headed brain can tell I don’t know any more than this. But I do understand I have a responsibility, especially with my past. [But the backlash is] outrage for the sake of outrage and getting clicks from negative attention associated with my name." The E;R recommendation has since been edited out of the video.

‘Sub to PewDiePie’ graffiti (March 2019)

A fan scrawled "Sub to PewDiePie" on the Brooklyn War Memorial. The context here is that PewDiePie and Indian record company T-Series were in an ongoing rivalry from 2018-2019, both of whom were trying to win the title of "most subscribers on YouTube". "Sub 2 PewDiePie" became kind of a meme around this time, with many YouTubers encouraging their viewers to subscribe to him. There were billboards and radio advertisements encouraging people to subscribe, marches that were held in support of subscribing to PewDiePie, "Sub 2 PewDiePie" plane banners, etc.

In response, PewDiePie said that, "I don’t think I’ve done anything to condone this sort of behaviour. Obviously it’s disgusting, obviously I don’t condone it whatsoever. I don’t know why anyone got it in their mind to do this, it’s stupid." He also allegedly donated an unspecified amount of money to the park.

Christchurch shooting (March 2019)

In the moments leading up to the 15 March 2019 Christchurch mosque shootings, the perpetrator said, "Remember lads, subscribe to PewDiePie", as he live-streamed the shootings.

In response, PewDiePie said that, "To have my name associated with something so unspeakably vile has affected me in more ways than I’ve let shown. I just didn’t want to address it right away, and I didn’t want to give the terrorist more attention. I didn’t want to make it about me, because I don’t think it has anything to do with me. To put it plainly, I didn’t want hate to win. But it’s clear to me now the “Subscribe to PewDiePie” movement should have ended then.”

ADL donation (September 2019)

PewDiePie donated $50,000 to the Anti-Defamation League, an international Jewish organisation which aims to fight against anti-Semitism. In response, some of his fans barraged the video’s comment section with anti-Semitic slurs and conspiracy theories and accused the Anti-Defamation League of blackmailing him into making a donation. He later rescinded the donation and called it a mistake, saying that, "to be fair, I saw it as an opportunity to put an end to the alt-right claims that have been thrown against me. It wasn’t to try and clear my name or save grace – if it was, I would have done it years ago. But after the Christchurch tragedy, I felt a responsibility to do something about it because it’s no longer just about me, it affected other people in a way, and I’m not okay with that. It really doesn’t feel genuine for me to proceed with the donation at this point and instead I want to take my time…doing it with the right charity."

So. Does all of this make PewDiePie a Nazi? I'm not trying to be a PewDiePie defender, and I don't personally care for him or his videos at all, but honestly... I don't think it does. I believe him when he describes himself as "more apolitical than anything". I really do think that he doesn't actually know or care about politics and isn't interested in learning. His videos are in the shock-value style that was popular among edgelord teenage boys on 4chan and in gaming communities in the early 2010s. The shock value in his videos garnered controversy, which garnered views and shares, which garnered more subscribers and a wider reach- it's not an accident that PewDiePie is the most subscribed person on YouTube. The shock value feeds the algorithm, and he knew that. He acknowledges this himself in a 2019 New York Times interview he did: "Looking back, it was a bubble waiting to burst — this bubble of, how far can we push this? I think YouTube at that time was at a place where no one really knew where the limit was.” From what I can tell, he's mostly just a guy that got famous by saying offensive stuff, and then struggled to adapt and accept responsibility as that kind of humor became less and less acceptable and he became more and more influential. Certainly, he seems to resent the idea that he should have to take responsibility or change the way he interacts with his audience. But I don't think that makes him a Nazi. I think that makes him a guy who hasn't been told no in the past twelve years that he's been famous and kind of believes he can do no wrong.

All that said, that doesn't mean that his brand of humor is unproblematic, and it doesn't mean that he's unproblematic. Quite the opposite. Modern right-wing extremism depends on that kind of irony to recruit young men to their cause and to spread their ideas. Stupid memes are a way to smuggle controversial beliefs into the mainstream without having those beliefs examined or challenged. In a very real way, 4chan shitposting is how we ended up with Donald Trump as president, and it's what created QAnon. Things that are jokes quickly become non-jokes, depending on your point of view and how you were introduced to the topic.

And this is true of PewDiePie, too. As a writer on the video-game website Polygon put it, “Intent only gets you so far when it comes to toying with hate speech in front of an audience of tens of millions, many of whom are younger children.” A reported 11 percent of PewDiePie's viewers- about 12 million people- are younger than 17, and the actual number of his subscribers who are minors is probably much larger than that. In a very real way, he's shaping how young people view hate speech and what they view as acceptable, and he's exposing them to the first steps in the right wing radicalization pipeline. I don't think he's intentionally including right wing dogwhistles in his videos, but I do think the outcome is kind of the same- more people are exposed to the far right than would have been otherwise. In some sense, he's being a useful idiot in service of white supremacists and far-right groups- in the words of reporter Nathan Grayson, "[W]hether he’s just memeing or he ascribes to these values, it doesn’t matter. [W]hat matters is that he normalizes these ideas as jokes on THE platform where kids increasingly get their first exposure to the world at large.”

To answer your original question, I think there are a couple different factors at play when it comes to why people still watch his videos. The first is that despite having 111 million subscribers on YouTube, his videos only average 3.5 million views each- so only about 3% of his subscribers actually watch any given video he uploads (for context, a subscriber-to-view ratio of 10% is generally considered good). The "sub 2 PewDiePie" campaign upped his subscriber count exponentially, but it doesn't actually translate to views. A whole lot of people did actually stop watching his content, or were never watching to begin with. Alongside that, the videos he does upload are (generally) fairly inoffensive, so some of his subscribers may not be aware that there's controversy in his past at all. Others who are aware of the controversies may think that they were "just jokes" or "not a big deal"- remember, his original fanbase was made up of edgelords. They don't care because they don't think it's that serious. If he "gives you the ick", he was never creating content for you to begin with.

The other dynamic at play here is that many people subscribed to PewDiePie as teenagers, and have been subscribed to him for over a decade. The parasocial relationship that builds is very real. A lot of people feel like they "grew up with PewDiePie" or that in some sense he's kind of like a friend. For these people, any attacks on PewDiePie feel like an attack on a close friend, and they're inclined to view him as the wronged party instead of the aggressor. A big part of his fan base perceives him as a kind of martyr that's fighting against YouTube's "censorship" policies and who's been victimized by the mainstream media, who just doesn't "get it". Int heir minds, any criticism towards him is proof that he's misunderstood and being attacked, and they feel like they have to protect him.

Finally… PewDiePie does have sizable alt-right and white nationalist following, and always has. They don't care if he's said offensive things because they unironically agree with the things that he's saying.

[latinalesbi]

is that possible to have that pic from Stef's phone ? Where is the pic coming from ? I know I'm asking weird questions but I remember Stef and Lena were in that position one day before Stef had to go somewhere with Jenna (and they met Monte in that lesbian place).

Yeah it was the same day she went with Jenna. There’s no way she would have that pic without security camera. So we came up with a twitter theory that Mariana sneaks around taking pics of her moms because she ships them so much!

Anonymous said:                                                                     

We need to have more Stef and Lena in season 5. Did the writers say anything about them yet ?

Anonymous said:                                                                      what annoys me the most is that they always talk about how Lena and Stef are the core of the show and how much they love them etc but don't show it. How do they explain the lack of kisses? I hope they read all the responses on twitter and change something in season 5. I need more Momma love            

Actually, nope. None of the interviews that Peter gave talked about them at all. Here’s a stock answer Joanna gave today:

More challenges, more love, deeper commitment...

She seemed to think that Stef and Lena only kissing once a season was “realistic”

I do agree with this, my wife and I try to b more like Stef&Lena!  Maybe I'm making it too real & should be more aspirational!

I guess in her world of marriage, people don’t kiss. I’d like to reassure young lesbians that I have been married for almost 9 years, together for almost 12 and today we have kissed about 4 times.

Anonymous said:                                                                      Hopefully in season 5. We get to see Callie grow and stop doing stupid things. She's much more than that. Does she not think she's worth it ? Would she care if she died ? It doesn't seem like it. Callie doesn't need jail she needs help but they don't see it like that. Would you say she's mentally unstable ?             

Honestly, like I don’t care about Callie or what motivates her at this point.

Anonymous said:                                                                     

I havent written ff in such a long time but I need a new project. If I wrote some stef and Lena stuff would you read it? If so, if you and your followers wanna give me some prompts that would be super helpful. (anon as my blog is not fandom related)             

Oh yes, this is a good idea! I love this, guys send me prompts and I’ll post them for this anon. I’d like some early days fic, meeting the parents, something funny.

Anonymous said:                                                                     

So one thing we got from the vow renewal: Lena is totally a scratcher! Did you see her digging her nails in Stefs back?!?

Hell yes she is! God bless Lena.

Anonymous said:                                                                     

Do you think that one day the Fosters writers will say well maybe our ratings suck because their stories suck? Oh well at least we have Adams Foster fanfic still. Do the writers feel salty that some people on ff write better for S&L than them? But then again, some of the shittiest storylines this season can be matched to the very worst of ff fanfic, so maybe they pluck stories from that? End rant! Sorry             

Sadly for Freeform, their ratings don’t “suck.” I mean ep 419 was the worst ever, but 420 picked it up. I have read the shittiest Stef/Callie fanfic where Callie needs to be rescued but I tell you, nothing was as bad as SVU Mission Bay. Ugh, horrible.

Anonymous said:                                                                     

Wow, did you read Lucy Hallowell's recap of the Fosters' finale for Autostraddle.   If you all have not, go read it, it is very interesting in the last part what she saids.             

As my middle schoolers would say, savage. Best part, I know they read it, between her and vulture I hope they heard because the show is insufferable in its current state. It’s something I put up with.

Anonymous said:                                                                    

 Do you have the links to where Teri was on Mark in the morning

There are 2, The earlier one is more interesting, though both are intolerable because of Mark.

one and two.

Anonymous said:                                                                      "Mariana who self invited her bio daddy to a house she doesn’t pay a single bill for, that Mariana? Yeah that Mariana is unlikable."  I agree with what you said.  But I blame the parents, they can say no. No way my parents, pretty sure other parents also, would have given their 16 year old kid permission to have sex in their room/house.  The reason given (for safety, since they will anyway & jesus' tbi, blah, blah) is bs. Season 5 hope there are better parenting decisions, much better stories.  

Well they can’t have Stef and Lena come off as mean, people hit the roof, and all these teens think Robert and Gabe walk on water because” men. And god forbid the lesbians go off against men.

Anonymous said:                                                                     

Do you think that The Writers don't know that nobody cares about Callie's storyline ? I mean maybe they don't care but no wonder why people are saying they won't watch the show anymore.

I do think they think we are all hanging on pins and needles over her. We all knew she was going to be trafficked. We all knew it, everyone knows she’s not going to jail. This is all very stupid.

Anonymous said:                                                                     

So your saying Stef for Callie into this mess with the pimp. Do you think we will see Lena angry at Stef ? Or she might get blamed by one of her teens.             

Yes, Stef should not have gotten her involved or let her give her the telephone and whatever else. It made her look like a good cop but she was a bad mother. Callie is not to be encouraged in this manner. Lena should be angry at Stef over this.