#if you think i'm annoying here jesus i'm something else on twitter

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sorry dear mutuals for being annoying about she-hulk. you’d hate me on twitter.

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I read through your larry post and you mentioned the peace ring. Harry wore it last over a year ago in September and on the anniversary twitter larries were waiting for it to come back, they even wanted a harry london walk with him wearing it. That pap walk they would tolerate. When it didn't happen, they turned to louis. He had a show that day and wore a green shirt, olive green, olive like offering an olive branch, like asking for peace, bam peace ring was back! I cringed so hard when I read that but I used to be like that too so I couldn't even be mad. But then I started questioning my sanity and if everything else i believed about clues and messages larry was sending was wrong and made up. probably most of it. But then i think about the louis maison shirt on harrys house release day and I question it again. But I'm chill about all this. Maybe they broke up a long time ago or maybe they're on off, maybe still together, maybe in an open relationship. Whatever we'll never know so why stress about it. I think mostly on Tumblr everyone is more relaxed about it. It's the new larries who don't grasp any of this and think management is still controlling them and larry are blinking more code at us that are annoying as fuck.

anon 2: Not that anon, but thank you for your that brilliant long ask answer you just gave. I joined in this crazy H&L world only last January after I caught wind of the second E breakup and it really felt like "holy shit, there might really be something here, they really might be about to come out, etc." It's been an interesting time so far in the fandom, and I think I'm more in line with your way of thinking recently. Things just feel...meh. There's a weird coldness to the fandom right now, almost a forced belief like you mentioned in your previous answer. I'll always believe there was SOMETHING going on, but to this current day? Probably not. Thanks for your sanity. :)

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Amazed anyone read that long-ass answer, lmao, but thank you! As for thinking people on tumblr are somehow more relaxed about it, beg to differ, anon 1, based on a quick lurk just this sec, but kudos to you for keeping that dash locked down! Without much going on at the moment, it's quiet in the deep, so to speak, but make no mistake, it's out there, waiting! Even today, there are people out there saying, ooooh, tons of larry signs at Louis's show near the stage, and you could see how happy he was compared to last night!! Like, it's some kind of GOTCHA, ipso facto, and uh, yeah, that's not cause/effect, bb, but okay! Spread that shit! Live your version of the truth! For real, you can make ANYTHING a reach if you have the arm capacity for it, give me two pieces of something, and I'll stitch it for you, whole cloth, there's a 28 in it, I just know it. It's always so tempting to whip up a sideblog that goes full hog unhinged, like, jesus, it's not hard, lmao

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This is so off topic lol but does anyone else remember when PewDiePie the YouTuber was like..a n*zi?? Like I feel like everyone just forgot about him doing a bunch of really offensive stuff and he still gives me the ick to this day bc of all the stuff he did. Did he give some really grand apology or do people just not give a crap?

So there's a lot to say about this, but the quick TL;DR is that he's an edgelord who made his career on "ironically" being offensive, but I don't think that makes him a Nazi, that other edgelords really don't care if he's said offensive things, because they also think that kind of humor is funny, and that at least some of his followers are actually neo-Nazis, white supremacists, or part of the far-right, so they unironically agree with the offensive things he's said.

First, just for the sake of combating cancel culture more than anything else (I know, I'm horrible at being a leftist), I want to investigate this claim that "PewDiePie is a Nazi". We're seeing some essentialism in that claim- instead of criticizing whatever PewDiePie has said or done, it's escalating the claim into an accusation about the kind of person PewDiePie is- "a Nazi". Because of that, I want to take a step back and look at the controversial things PewDiePie has actually said or done so that we can all be on the same page for the rest of this conversation.

Let me know if I missed any, but the controversies I could identify are the following:

criticized for making rape jokes and trivializing sexual assault (2012)

In his early videos, PewDiePie made jokes about sexual assault. These were usually in the context of referring to beating his video game opponents as “raping” them, but also included a video called "It's Raping Time". When called out about it by fans in October of 2012, PewDiePie posted the following response on his Tumblr and took down the video in question. From what I can tell, the rape jokes ended after that.

Joked about joining ISIS on Twitter (2016)

In August of 2016, PewDiePie tweeted the following and got temporarily kicked off of Twitter:

The context here is that PewDiePie unverified himself on Twitter in protest over the company’s “annoying” verification process. After he became unverified, an obviously fake tweet which appeared to be from Sky News claimed that he was unverified on Twitter “due to suspected relations with ISIS.” PewDiePie's tweet is purported to be in response to Sky News' tweet, which he found ridiculous.

Anti-semetic Jokes (January 2017)

In 2018, A Wall Street Journal report found that nine of his videos, between August 2016 and February 2017, included "anti-Semitic jokes or Nazi imagery". The big one here is a January 11th video that included two men laughing as they held a banner that read, “Death to all Jews,” and a Jan. 22 video, in which a man dressed as Jesus Christ says, “Hitler did absolutely nothing wrong.” Both videos were taken down in 2018. He also showed a clip from a Hitler speech in a Sept. 24 video criticizing a YouTube policy, posted swastikas drawn by his fans on Oct. 15 and watched a Hitler video in a brown military uniform to end a Dec. 8 video. He played the Nazi Party anthem before bowing to a swastika in a mock resurrection ritual on Jan. 14, and included a very brief Nazi salute with a Hitler voice-over saying “Sieg Heil” and the text “Nazi Confirmed” near the beginning of a Feb. 5 video.

PewDiePie responded to the controversy with the following:

In other statements about the incident, he has said that, "I’m sorry for the words that I used, as I know they offended people, and I admit that the joke itself went too far. I do strongly believe that you can joke about anything, but I also believe that there’s a right way and not the best way to joke about things. I acknowledge that I took things too far and that’s something I definitely will keep in mind going forward, but the reaction and the outrage has been nothing but insanity.” He also said that, "If for some reason Nazis think it's great I'm making these jokes, I don't want to give them that benefit so I'm going to stop doing it. It's not me censoring myself. It's more like I don't want to part of it."

Saying the N word on a livestream (September 2017)

This one is pretty much what it sounds like. While livestreaming PUBG on YouTube Gaming, he used the n-word in an expletive-laden rant.

He later apologized in a video called, "My Response" saying, "It was something I said in the heat of the moment, I said the worst word I could possibly think of, and it just sort of slipped out. I’m disappointed in myself because it seems like I’ve learned nothing from all these past controversies. It’s not that I think I can say or do whatever I want and get away with it, that’s not it at all, I’m just an idiot, but that doesn’t make what I said or how I said it OK. Being in the position I am, I should know better. I know I can't keep messing up like this, and I owe it to my audience and to myself to do better than this, because I know I'm better than this. I really want to improve myself and better myself, not just for me, but for anyone that looks up to me, or anyone that's influenced by me, and that's how I want to move forward away from this." Earlier in that same video, he discussed the culture of gaming that includes the casual use of racial slurs.

Called (some) female gamers "stupid Twitch thots" (May 2018)

This one is also pretty much what it sounds like. In a video, PewDiePie claimed that "Twitch thots" are hurting “actual, decent female streamers" because they "are just interested in making a buck through parasocial relationships.” I don't think there was really an apology for this one.

Insensitive Demi Lovato meme (July 2018)

This one I don't totally understand, but the gist of it is that PewDiePie posted a meme on Twitter about Demi Lovato's drug addiction after she overdosed in 2018.

PewDiePie's response was, "Deleted meme. I didnt mean anything with it and I didnt fully know about the situation. I realize now it was insensitive, sorry!"

Promoting anti-Semitic channel E;R (December 2018)

In December of 2018, PewDiePie released a video in which he says, "You also have E;R, who does great video essays. He did one on Death Note, which I really, really enjoyed." E;R is a YouTube channel that, among other things, was criticised for making a joke that included a parallel between the Charlottesville rally and Netflix series Death Note.

PewDiePie responded to criticism by saying, "They have hidden Nazi references in their videos, obviously if I noticed that I wouldn’t have referenced him in the shout out. Not because I have a problem with Nazi references being offensive in themselves, but because I said that I was going to distance myself from Nazi jokes. Generally, I’ve done that. I don’t really have a reason to dip into that again; it’s stupid." He continued by saying that, "[I'm promoting Nazi propaganda] by what? By saying I enjoyed his anime review? Yes, he does have Nazi references in [his videos] and I see them now, unless you play close attention…these references will go past you. The irony here is I’m supposed to be the Nazi but I don’t get any of these goddamn references. Anyone with a level-headed brain can tell I don’t know any more than this. But I do understand I have a responsibility, especially with my past. [But the backlash is] outrage for the sake of outrage and getting clicks from negative attention associated with my name." The E;R recommendation has since been edited out of the video.

‘Sub to PewDiePie’ graffiti (March 2019)

A fan scrawled "Sub to PewDiePie" on the Brooklyn War Memorial. The context here is that PewDiePie and Indian record company T-Series were in an ongoing rivalry from 2018-2019, both of whom were trying to win the title of "most subscribers on YouTube". "Sub 2 PewDiePie" became kind of a meme around this time, with many YouTubers encouraging their viewers to subscribe to him. There were billboards and radio advertisements encouraging people to subscribe, marches that were held in support of subscribing to PewDiePie, "Sub 2 PewDiePie" plane banners, etc.

In response, PewDiePie said that, "I don’t think I’ve done anything to condone this sort of behaviour. Obviously it’s disgusting, obviously I don’t condone it whatsoever. I don’t know why anyone got it in their mind to do this, it’s stupid." He also allegedly donated an unspecified amount of money to the park.

Christchurch shooting (March 2019)

In the moments leading up to the 15 March 2019 Christchurch mosque shootings, the perpetrator said, "Remember lads, subscribe to PewDiePie", as he live-streamed the shootings.

In response, PewDiePie said that, "To have my name associated with something so unspeakably vile has affected me in more ways than I’ve let shown. I just didn’t want to address it right away, and I didn’t want to give the terrorist more attention. I didn’t want to make it about me, because I don’t think it has anything to do with me. To put it plainly, I didn’t want hate to win. But it’s clear to me now the “Subscribe to PewDiePie” movement should have ended then.”

ADL donation (September 2019)

PewDiePie donated $50,000 to the Anti-Defamation League, an international Jewish organisation which aims to fight against anti-Semitism. In response, some of his fans barraged the video’s comment section with anti-Semitic slurs and conspiracy theories and accused the Anti-Defamation League of blackmailing him into making a donation. He later rescinded the donation and called it a mistake, saying that, "to be fair, I saw it as an opportunity to put an end to the alt-right claims that have been thrown against me. It wasn’t to try and clear my name or save grace – if it was, I would have done it years ago. But after the Christchurch tragedy, I felt a responsibility to do something about it because it’s no longer just about me, it affected other people in a way, and I’m not okay with that. It really doesn’t feel genuine for me to proceed with the donation at this point and instead I want to take my time…doing it with the right charity."

So. Does all of this make PewDiePie a Nazi? I'm not trying to be a PewDiePie defender, and I don't personally care for him or his videos at all, but honestly... I don't think it does. I believe him when he describes himself as "more apolitical than anything". I really do think that he doesn't actually know or care about politics and isn't interested in learning. His videos are in the shock-value style that was popular among edgelord teenage boys on 4chan and in gaming communities in the early 2010s. The shock value in his videos garnered controversy, which garnered views and shares, which garnered more subscribers and a wider reach- it's not an accident that PewDiePie is the most subscribed person on YouTube. The shock value feeds the algorithm, and he knew that. He acknowledges this himself in a 2019 New York Times interview he did: "Looking back, it was a bubble waiting to burst — this bubble of, how far can we push this? I think YouTube at that time was at a place where no one really knew where the limit was.” From what I can tell, he's mostly just a guy that got famous by saying offensive stuff, and then struggled to adapt and accept responsibility as that kind of humor became less and less acceptable and he became more and more influential. Certainly, he seems to resent the idea that he should have to take responsibility or change the way he interacts with his audience. But I don't think that makes him a Nazi. I think that makes him a guy who hasn't been told no in the past twelve years that he's been famous and kind of believes he can do no wrong.

All that said, that doesn't mean that his brand of humor is unproblematic, and it doesn't mean that he's unproblematic. Quite the opposite. Modern right-wing extremism depends on that kind of irony to recruit young men to their cause and to spread their ideas. Stupid memes are a way to smuggle controversial beliefs into the mainstream without having those beliefs examined or challenged. In a very real way, 4chan shitposting is how we ended up with Donald Trump as president, and it's what created QAnon. Things that are jokes quickly become non-jokes, depending on your point of view and how you were introduced to the topic.

And this is true of PewDiePie, too. As a writer on the video-game website Polygon put it, “Intent only gets you so far when it comes to toying with hate speech in front of an audience of tens of millions, many of whom are younger children.” A reported 11 percent of PewDiePie's viewers- about 12 million people- are younger than 17, and the actual number of his subscribers who are minors is probably much larger than that. In a very real way, he's shaping how young people view hate speech and what they view as acceptable, and he's exposing them to the first steps in the right wing radicalization pipeline. I don't think he's intentionally including right wing dogwhistles in his videos, but I do think the outcome is kind of the same- more people are exposed to the far right than would have been otherwise. In some sense, he's being a useful idiot in service of white supremacists and far-right groups- in the words of reporter Nathan Grayson, "[W]hether he’s just memeing or he ascribes to these values, it doesn’t matter. [W]hat matters is that he normalizes these ideas as jokes on THE platform where kids increasingly get their first exposure to the world at large.”

To answer your original question, I think there are a couple different factors at play when it comes to why people still watch his videos. The first is that despite having 111 million subscribers on YouTube, his videos only average 3.5 million views each- so only about 3% of his subscribers actually watch any given video he uploads (for context, a subscriber-to-view ratio of 10% is generally considered good). The "sub 2 PewDiePie" campaign upped his subscriber count exponentially, but it doesn't actually translate to views. A whole lot of people did actually stop watching his content, or were never watching to begin with. Alongside that, the videos he does upload are (generally) fairly inoffensive, so some of his subscribers may not be aware that there's controversy in his past at all. Others who are aware of the controversies may think that they were "just jokes" or "not a big deal"- remember, his original fanbase was made up of edgelords. They don't care because they don't think it's that serious. If he "gives you the ick", he was never creating content for you to begin with.

The other dynamic at play here is that many people subscribed to PewDiePie as teenagers, and have been subscribed to him for over a decade. The parasocial relationship that builds is very real. A lot of people feel like they "grew up with PewDiePie" or that in some sense he's kind of like a friend. For these people, any attacks on PewDiePie feel like an attack on a close friend, and they're inclined to view him as the wronged party instead of the aggressor. A big part of his fan base perceives him as a kind of martyr that's fighting against YouTube's "censorship" policies and who's been victimized by the mainstream media, who just doesn't "get it". Int heir minds, any criticism towards him is proof that he's misunderstood and being attacked, and they feel like they have to protect him.

Finally… PewDiePie does have sizable alt-right and white nationalist following, and always has. They don't care if he's said offensive things because they unironically agree with the things that he's saying.

[harpersplay]

Genuine non-troll white woman here - you wrote "So I already knew that Good Girls was a white feminism phantasmagoria...But, jesus fucking christ, y'all are just showing your true colours lately. The way you talk about a MOC in relation to a white woman is disgusting." Not asking you to call out specific people or posts or start any kind of flame war but what would be a general example of what you are talking about? I follow a good chunk of people and I'm not seeing this maybe b/c I'm not following the same people, maybe out of willful blindness, maybe I'm not recognizing it - again, b/c of ignorance, etc. Just trying to understand what you mean - and not do it obviously, if I am doing it.

I apologise for taking a longish time to answer this. Honestly, I wasn't sure I wanted to get into it. Anyway, I'd first like to say that this is all my opinion. What bothers me might not bother someone else. BIPOC are not a monolith. Even subsections aren't. Not all Mexican trans men are a monolith. Neither are all Japanese lesbians. You get the idea. And that's not even including people like Ben Carson or Caitlyn Jenner—people who support and work for policies that actively harm the marginalised group of which they are a part. Secondly, I know this isn't your intention, but asking POC to tell you what is ok to do and what is not is a slippery slope to "my [blank] friend said this was ok." Finally, the fandom is quite small so it is pretty hard to give general examples. I don't know if it's more trouble to quote specific posts or not, because some will think it is about them anyway. Anything I'm going to mention I've seen on Tumblr, Instagram, Reddit and/or Twitter. But there are definitely popular Tumblr blogs that all push the same narrative. Oh, and one last thing, I haven't seen any of what I'm referring to from people I follow.

Ok, let's go. For a very long time, mainly WOC have pointed out the racial problems within the show and the extremely dismissive attitude about those problems from mainly white women. And while these same women have written thousands (even tens of thousands) or words about Beth (it's always Beth) and her struggles and the amazingness of such a complex female character (ymmv), they brush aside commentary about racism as either nitpicking, not understanding the show is about the 3 women (tell that to all the white men with fleshed-out storylines), or misogyny. The last is especially hostile because they are often talking over Black women and misogynoir is a very real fucking thing that couples the fun of being hated for being a woman with the delight of good old-fashioned racism. They espouse the idea that people having a problem with Beth are all covert & overt misogynists. But talk out the other side of their mouths that they can't possibly be racist even when they support racism in the show or ignore concerns brought up by fans of colour. And that is just the absolute height of hypocrisy. Because by the former they acknowledge that people in a marginalised group (women) can still be anti- that group (a phenomenon with which I agree). But in the latter, suddenly they don't understand that concept.

Specific to the post you are responding to, fans that purport to like Brio write about the relationship in ways that reveal how much of their enjoyment comes from Rio being inferior to Beth. It's all about what he can do for her, how he acts against his best interests for her, how he literally denies himself sexual pleasure for her. Those are all meant to show how in love he is with her. But the show never bothers to tell us why. And, no, this is not because the show is so deep. Other romantic relationships they have scenes that are explicit about the characters' feelings. But Rio, after being shot, after being betrayed, after being mocked, is just so in love with Beth....because. (MYSTERIOUS!) And the Beth stans are more than fine with this because they think everyone should be as obsessed with Beth as they are. But it's bad storytelling. And, in this particular case, it gets into very dicey racist tropes. A white women treating her Latino lover like an afterthought is not the same as a white women treating her white lover like an afterthought. It just isn't. And if some of these fans are as smart as they pretend to be, they know that. They just don't care. Much like the showrunners.

There was so much talk defending the drawn-out Boland marriage because why can't we understand how hard it is for Beth—who is, at various times, claimed to be emotionally abused by Dean or staying with him because it is safe and comfortable—and we don't appreciate how difficult it is for her (I may be one of the few divorced people talking about this show on Tumblr, so this has always made me laugh). Yet there was nothing but glee when Rio flipped on his brousin (who was written as both abusive and safe) for Beth. Where was the empathy for Rio and how hard it was for him? Especially because, unlike Beth, he didn't even have one parent? Hadn't the Beth stans used her very tragical history™️ to explain away her every shitty act? idk, not having any parents and going to jail (as a minor?) and being betrayed by your family seems pretty tragic. But I didn't see them all of a sudden excusing Rio's bad behaviour. Because, feminism or something?

What about Beth's feelings? Last season she spent trying to have him killed. This season she spent looking annoyed by him. Throughout both she talked down to him in a specific white woman way that every BIPOC has experienced, even if some of them are cool with it. There were multiple opportunites for Beth to talk about her feelings with Ruby and/or Annie, but the writers made the deliberate choice to always make it about sex (and god, the immature way they had these three grown women talk was fucking obnoxious). She spent the last 2 seasons also wanting him out of her life to the point that a majority of her actions in S4 were motivated by getting to Nevada with her husband and kids. Beth doesn't care about Rio but Rio needs to put Beth above everything because he's just so in love like he's never been before (which is blatant Marcus & Rhea erasure). And anyone who doesn't think Beth would have just as happily been sitting on that bench plotting how to "run the city" (hahahahaha!) with Nick if the situation worked out differently hasn't been paying attention.

So, what do we have? A white woman who is constantly excused (by the loudest portion of the fandom) for all her ill treatment to her Black BFF & her Black husband, her Asian coworker, her Latina "friend," and Rio (among others) because her life is hard and who is not required to even be nice to her supposed "endgame". And a MOC who is expected to accept being treated poorly by the white woman because he loves her.

And, a last thing, this attitude grossly crossed over into talk about real people when the fans—who self-righteously claimed to be above anon sources or talking about the actors—latched on to the narrative and enjoyed blaming the MOC actor for the cancellation of the show, even dragging his insignificant (in terms of influence) Black wife into it. All while conveniently ignoring that the creator/showrunner is a white woman. The star & producer is a white woman. The people making the decisions at NBCU & Netflix were white women. All white women with so much more power than the Latino actor.

Shit, did I answer your question? I know this is a lot. But I could honestly make mulitple posts on each issue I touched on here. Basically, white people ain't slick, be they content creators or fans. We see how & what y'all talk about. We see that Rio not having a last name is not a big deal to you and we know why that is. So we're fucking tired. And we're over a show that had so much potential crapping all over their POC characters to prop up a white woman. And we're repulsed by the white women in the fandom who use their tears to seem oppressed and who toss around the word misogynist because POC dare call a Karen a Karen.

[latinalesbi]

is that possible to have that pic from Stef's phone ? Where is the pic coming from ? I know I'm asking weird questions but I remember Stef and Lena were in that position one day before Stef had to go somewhere with Jenna (and they met Monte in that lesbian place).

Yeah it was the same day she went with Jenna. There’s no way she would have that pic without security camera. So we came up with a twitter theory that Mariana sneaks around taking pics of her moms because she ships them so much!

Anonymous said:                                                                     

We need to have more Stef and Lena in season 5. Did the writers say anything about them yet ?

Anonymous said:                                                                      what annoys me the most is that they always talk about how Lena and Stef are the core of the show and how much they love them etc but don't show it. How do they explain the lack of kisses? I hope they read all the responses on twitter and change something in season 5. I need more Momma love            

Actually, nope. None of the interviews that Peter gave talked about them at all. Here’s a stock answer Joanna gave today:

More challenges, more love, deeper commitment...

She seemed to think that Stef and Lena only kissing once a season was “realistic”

I do agree with this, my wife and I try to b more like Stef&Lena!  Maybe I'm making it too real & should be more aspirational!

I guess in her world of marriage, people don’t kiss. I’d like to reassure young lesbians that I have been married for almost 9 years, together for almost 12 and today we have kissed about 4 times.

Anonymous said:                                                                      Hopefully in season 5. We get to see Callie grow and stop doing stupid things. She's much more than that. Does she not think she's worth it ? Would she care if she died ? It doesn't seem like it. Callie doesn't need jail she needs help but they don't see it like that. Would you say she's mentally unstable ?             

Honestly, like I don’t care about Callie or what motivates her at this point.

Anonymous said:                                                                     

I havent written ff in such a long time but I need a new project. If I wrote some stef and Lena stuff would you read it? If so, if you and your followers wanna give me some prompts that would be super helpful. (anon as my blog is not fandom related)             

Oh yes, this is a good idea! I love this, guys send me prompts and I’ll post them for this anon. I’d like some early days fic, meeting the parents, something funny.

Anonymous said:                                                                     

So one thing we got from the vow renewal: Lena is totally a scratcher! Did you see her digging her nails in Stefs back?!?

Hell yes she is! God bless Lena.

Anonymous said:                                                                     

Do you think that one day the Fosters writers will say well maybe our ratings suck because their stories suck? Oh well at least we have Adams Foster fanfic still. Do the writers feel salty that some people on ff write better for S&L than them? But then again, some of the shittiest storylines this season can be matched to the very worst of ff fanfic, so maybe they pluck stories from that? End rant! Sorry             

Sadly for Freeform, their ratings don’t “suck.” I mean ep 419 was the worst ever, but 420 picked it up. I have read the shittiest Stef/Callie fanfic where Callie needs to be rescued but I tell you, nothing was as bad as SVU Mission Bay. Ugh, horrible.

Anonymous said:                                                                     

Wow, did you read Lucy Hallowell's recap of the Fosters' finale for Autostraddle.   If you all have not, go read it, it is very interesting in the last part what she saids.             

As my middle schoolers would say, savage. Best part, I know they read it, between her and vulture I hope they heard because the show is insufferable in its current state. It’s something I put up with.

Anonymous said:                                                                    

 Do you have the links to where Teri was on Mark in the morning

There are 2, The earlier one is more interesting, though both are intolerable because of Mark.

one and two.

Anonymous said:                                                                      "Mariana who self invited her bio daddy to a house she doesn’t pay a single bill for, that Mariana? Yeah that Mariana is unlikable."  I agree with what you said.  But I blame the parents, they can say no. No way my parents, pretty sure other parents also, would have given their 16 year old kid permission to have sex in their room/house.  The reason given (for safety, since they will anyway & jesus' tbi, blah, blah) is bs. Season 5 hope there are better parenting decisions, much better stories.  

Well they can’t have Stef and Lena come off as mean, people hit the roof, and all these teens think Robert and Gabe walk on water because” men. And god forbid the lesbians go off against men.

Anonymous said:                                                                     

Do you think that The Writers don't know that nobody cares about Callie's storyline ? I mean maybe they don't care but no wonder why people are saying they won't watch the show anymore.

I do think they think we are all hanging on pins and needles over her. We all knew she was going to be trafficked. We all knew it, everyone knows she’s not going to jail. This is all very stupid.

Anonymous said:                                                                     

So your saying Stef for Callie into this mess with the pimp. Do you think we will see Lena angry at Stef ? Or she might get blamed by one of her teens.             

Yes, Stef should not have gotten her involved or let her give her the telephone and whatever else. It made her look like a good cop but she was a bad mother. Callie is not to be encouraged in this manner. Lena should be angry at Stef over this.