#if you guys have fic rec for post cage sam i dont think i read those yet i need it

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I would love to hear your thoughts on post Cage Sam. How do you think Wincest dynamic would change sexually? Do you think Sam would eventually ask Dean to recreate the rape scene from the Cage?

ooooh post cage sam my underexplored by the writers beloved

man this is such a complex topic i don't know where to start, but it's such an interesting ground to explore sam’s character, especially since he changed so much, earlier seasons sam and post cage sam are different people (lets not think its because the writing went downhill lol). he was always kind, but earlier he had that fight in him and we see him lose his spirit, and we (by we i mean some wincesties) like to associate that with dean, the way he kind of beat sam down so much until a version of the good little brother, but i like to think the cage did most of the damage. yeah, s5 sam is so consumed by guilt he lowers his head more, but he's still up and fighting, he tries talking to dean, tries to make things right.

first, i would love to see him trying to adapt to life on earth more. he spent a lot more time down there than he ever spent on earth. i would love to see him trying to find his identity, you know. i mean, we forget stuff that went down 10/15/20 years ago until someone else points it out, and we feel so out of touch with some shit we did back then, we are different people. imagine sam like that. having to adapt to some basic shit like feeling hunger again and eating. having new habits. i remember reading a post about how sam should've known enochian post cage i mean yeah!!! and that would be torture for dean

for dean sam is his baby brother, the one who left for college, the one who stood up to their father, the one who drank demon blood, the one who sacrificed himself, but sam? he's so far removed from it, it feels like hearing stories about somebody else. maybe he forgets a whole lot of the lore from previous seasons, doesn't remember some names and faces

and can you imagine? dean goes above and beyond bringing sam's soul back, wanting his brother back and it feels like it for a while, because of the mind barrier, but once that wall is out? sam only recognizes dean because lucifer liked to wear his face once in a while, and that's such a slap in the face. your brother only remembers you because you were used as a way of doing him harm.

also! sam would have totally bonded with lucifer (and michael but the show doesn't know michael and adam existed so we will do it too lmao). if you're stuck with someone, you will bond with them, even your torturer, even your rapist. sam would know satan better than anyone else in his life prior to this and vice versa. so absolutely the wincest dynamics would change and that would be sooooo delicious to witness! imagine lucifer knowing so much about sam not only of him as a person, but knowing exactly what gets him off the most, where to touch to torture him, where to touch to make it pleasurable. he would have intimate knowledge here, and dean can't compete.

i don't know if sam would like to recreate a rape scenario per se, but because he changed so much, his relationship to sex definitely changes, i think he would be in such a weird spot of having a high tolerance for pain and also not finding regular sex pleasurable. like for him to feel something it would have to almost recreate his time in the cage, but also would be so triggering and maybe he would not be able to go through with it. i really think it could not be the same ever. dean would have to adapt also, bringing his own baggage from hell (that’s also underexplored), his jealousy, his impatience, his anger but also the desire to make it work.

the show really missed some opportunities to explore this, man. in the context of the show, it would be so bittersweet to have a scene like dean teaching sam pool again. taking their time to be brothers again. but never the same.