#if spn gave me any complex i regret. its that i know most actors in it from it and not from something else

[july-19th-club]

oh for fucks sake

[idontneedasymbol]

(1) i am 100% with you on the lucifer-not-being-a-bonus thing. i /loved/ his character in seasons 4 and 5, especially his interactions with sam and the rest of the angels, but ever since they brought him back his character took a plummeting nosedive. what used to be an intimidating, unknowable, ancient force is reduced to a campy, ineffectual assbasket. :/ part of lucifer's whole appeal in seasons 4&5 is the idea that he /could/ be right (in humanity being awful and him being unjustly treated)

(2) but now honestly it feels like they took everything that made his character appealing and complex and tossed it out in favor of a caricature of satan who has glowing red eyes and manifests in flames :// not to mention they completely gloss over any potential to grow the character with reference to sam and the whole “one true vessel thing” and wow im really sorry i didnt intend for this to turn into a lucifer rant i just want to say i also dont enjoy seeing him onscreen, its just kinda sad :(            

No problem, rants are welcome, especially about this!

I’d probably get some argument but I think myself that the biggest problem they have with Lucifer is that they are so attached to having him played by Mark Pellegrino. Pellegrino has a particular take on the character that worked sometimes. But my favorite version of SPN’s Lucifer was in “The End,” Samifer in the white suit. And Lucifer’s cosmic, ancient horror is better portrayed when it’s not tied to a particular individual or actor, when it’s a visible reminder that evil comes in many guises. Also, it serves to remake the character as needed.

I think Pellegrino’s Lucifer – the creepy camp version we got to know in s7 – should have been retired in 11x10, when Sam got to face him again and deny him. That scene was epic and perfect, but what followed cheapened it. I actually don’t mind Casifer for the most part – I think going more for humor there was a good call. SPN is a little too cheesy genre show to do a God & Lucifer story as a drama; playing it as meta crack is much more its speed.  And then taking him out of Cas, they could’ve remade Lucifer again – and managed it a bit; Rick Springfield’s take was more effective than expected, especially his rant at the end of “Rock Never Dies,” with its pathetic but terrifying nihilism.

But then TPTB gave up and went back to Pellegrino, and now they seem to be trying to make Lucifer into Crowley 2.0 (or 1.5, with Asmodeus having the other .5?) and it doesn’t work at all? Especially not when we have so much history with Pellegrino’s Lucifer in particular as a raping, torturing bastard.

And I don’t understand why they’ve entirely severed Sam’s personal connection with him. It’s a bizarre choice; I can’t think of many shows that opt to simply drop a hero-nemesis story. It’s such an easy narrative trope to fall back on, why lose it? (Unless it’s to make a redemption story easier, by bypassing some of his worst deeds – in which case no, no, and no thank you. I am a villain fan, and a villain redemption fan, and I enjoy ambiguous Lucifers in other works of fiction – but Lucifer in SPN has done too much to characters I love, without any hint of repentance or regret, for me to see him as anything but a monster who hopefully will get his comeuppance.)