#if i should to quit the tk community i will kms

[alechans-cutetickles]

🇮🇹:Perfavore fattemi felice cioe pk far parte della communita dell solletico essendo minore FA SCHIFO?! CIOE MI SI SPEZZA IL CUORE QUANDO UN BLOG DI SL DICE "MINORS DNI" MA PK ODIATE I MINORI?!?! (Ho 14 anni)

🇺🇸:pls cheer me up like why be in the tickle community has a minor IT'S SUCK LIKE..MY HEART GET BROKED WHEN A TK BLOG SAY "MINORS DNI" WHY U ALL HATE MINORI!?!? (I'm 14)

[stormblessed95]

Controversial question but what do you think of cis het Jikook shipper/supporters?

I am aware that a good many Kookmin supporters are LGBTQ/queer, at least compared to say Vkook, but still quite a lot of Jikookers are cis het.

Are they welcome to think Kookmins bond might be a romantic/non platonic one and celebrate that ?

Literally yes? I don't understand. Wouldn't we want relationships and love of all kinds to be celebrated by all kinds of people? My husband is a cis het man and a bigger romantic than I am. Half the time we pick movies together, he is the one asking for cute romances or Romcoms to watch. He loves the love stories, regardless of if they are heterosexual or queer. He recognizes all the same things I do in jikook about their relationship being different, special. He calls them the boyfriends. Lol should he not be allowed to see love where love exists just because he doesn't have a romantic or sexual interest in men?

Wouldn't we WANT more queer representation in media in general (not jikook, just like regular media consumption) and for all people, including cis het people, to celebrate that love the same way they do cis het couples? My husband and I talk all the time about how we are waiting for the day Disney drops a wlw or mlm Disney movie. Where the MC gets his prince. Or the warrior princess saves the day and gets the girl. Etc etc etc. Wouldn't we want the same energy that Rapunzel and Flynn got for a wlw Disney couple too?

If Jikook are boyfriends and are in a relationship together, wouldn't we want them to be accepted, loved and celebrated by EVERYONE and not just the queer community? I think it comes down to respect. A lot of the issues that people have with a bunch of cis hets in the tkkr (and shippers in general, jkkrs too) community is that when they talk about TK it comes across as fetishizing, it comes across as self insert fantasy too. It doesn't always read as actual support of a potential real LGBTQ couple. So in the end, I don't think it matters how you indenitfy, but it's about the respect. I also do think that while it doesn't matter, queer people do tend to see queer relationships and queer "hints" so to speak, quicker and louder than those who don't relate at all. And while I don't actually have any statistics over this, I would be interested to see some. But I'm pretty sure that KM as a "ship" have more queer supporters than other ships and KM are also the most popular ship in Korea. And I think those are things that are interesting to note and consider. Take that with a grain of salt though, because like I said, I don't actually know the statistics for those claims.

[annetteblog]

Intro & My take on KM

Hi!

I’m new around here so it’s supposed to be (not so short) introduction, since I don’t know how to start a blog heh. I hope to sprinkle my 0.5 cents into the KM conversation and maybe to bring a new perspective from someone, who is not a part of the typical English-speaking West.

Who /the hell/ Am I?  

(please, consider it to be said with NJ’s voice from Intro: Persona :D)

I was born in Siberia (it’s in the Asian part of Russia), currently live in the European part of the country while studying at a Uni (European in terms of geography, not in terms of everything else i’m definitely not shading rn lolllll). English is not my first language, I’ve just kind of learnt it to some extent. Due to this it takes me more time to write a post; and I may (and will) make some grammatical & other mistakes. Plus I’m lazy AND busy with Uni, so I won’t even promise to be consistent in posting smth lol. But I thought I need more practice in terms of writing in English, so here I am, actually scribbling something. This feels weird, because I’ve been around stan Tumblr since 2015, but never ever interacted, just read.

How I ended up around Jikook/Kookmin (and BTS) & My (long&messy) take on this matter

Although I had heard of BTS before, I became an Army only in October 2018. I had kinda avoided them, because you know... boybands.... sing songs about romantic love and how they love girls.......... (+I had been around Twitter when 1D been at their peak and I remember a quite toxic community of fans, whom always had scared me). Shortly, hello stereotypes. Obviously, after I got engaged I felt terribly sorry that I had been sleeping on them, but what is done cannot be undone. 

Someone I knew back then reposted one of their MVs and I, during my sad hours of procrastination, decided to watch it. Then I saw their live performance with the same song. And I thought “wow these guys can sing and dance and the music is kinda cool, i need to check this out maybe??” 

Then a funny thing happened. One of the next videos I watched (the same person had it added to their page) was a 2016 BangtanBomb where JM and JK practiced their Coming of Age dance. 

Do you know this moment with Gina from the 1st episode of Brooklyn 9-9:

Well, that was precisely me after I watched it. I don’t even know how to explain this, it was kind of a gut feeling? Whatever you call it, I started to get suspicious and couldn’t even explain to myself why. /actually now a do have questions to this vid and the main one - why does everyone cringe that much? if it’s a girly choreo than they had done some “girly” moves before. why is there such strong reaction??/

I started to get deeper and went to some ru-shipper communities. Shipping culture among Russian speaking fans is... well, weird to some extent, but I maybe address this topic some time later. You need to consider that (as far as you probably know) Russia is quite homophonic country and sadly is not the greatest place for LGBTQ+ community at the moment. The non-frienly influential attitudes hanging in the society + the general shippers’ weirdness = the result is not that nice honestly. 

I struggled for some time in order to find more mature people (not just in terms of age but in general sanity), failed, ended up with some EXTREMELY toxic ru-fans of TK, which was/is the most popular pairing here, spent among them like 15 minutes and ran away horrified. After that I didn’t even try to engage with shippers or believers or whatever of any pair and just decided to enjoy the music and the content (which is a great idea, highly recommend!)

After a couple of days I discovered that JK makes videos. I love video, films and visual art so I immediately found them on YT, saw the titles with names of different cities from all over the world and was like “Oh that must be so cool, he’s visited so many outstanding places I’ve never been to, so I really need to watch it! I shall enjoy some beautyyy”. Then I clicked on GCFt.

Well, what can I say. I did enjoy some beauty, but not the type I had initially anticipated. The biggest clickbait in my entire life. JK should be proud of himself.

                                       /as I said - the beauty/

I had already known Troy back then and I known the song’s lyrics so it would not be an underestimation to say - the video just blew my mind. I was like - hold on is this real? seriously?? no really really????? he manage to get away with something THAT obvious?????? dude how

As a person who edited videos AND is not a native English speaker, I don’t buy the explanation “oh he mustve didnt get the lyrics lmao”. You just don’t do that. You don’t. DON’T. You google and translate every shit you don’t understand, every word and idiom you’ve never encountered, because otherwise the possibility of an epic failure is very likely. You wouldn’t want to give your mum a video as a birthday present and then discover that you used a song with WAP-ish lyrics, right? (well maybe that would be okay in your family, I don’t judge, but that’s not the case for people I know). So don’t you dare to degrade JK’s intellectual capacities; such assumption is really offensive. He is a smart boii, he knows exactly what he’s doing in terms of his art.

So I was shocked, but decided to look for the context - maybe I missed some previous events regarding this Tokyo thing (another great idea - always check the context). Well, apparently I didn’t, because the whole narrative with the trip for two, lovely selfies etc. made my poor brain lowkey explode. (I still don’t buy the rings theory thing though)

But I didn’t give up lol! I’m a bit stubborn and it’s very hard to convince me in anything, so I decided to search for more context, more of their interactions, moreeee. Remember, the late October 2018, there were no swan lakes, RB, and even MMA18 hadn’t happened yet. 

This time I ended up watching content in more or less consistent way, and when I saw all of these scenes with affectionate JM and a cool badass i-don’t-care-about-anyone-i’m-a-manly-man-with-no-feelings-whatsoever JK, I just hysterically laughed. 

Homophobic Russia, remember? I recognized this. Growing up here being LGBT myself, taught me the same type behaviour during my high school days. When a girl I kinda liked but didn’t what to admit it to myself was nice to me or (oh god) flirted with me, I did something similar. It’s like a huge panic mode. Being an introvert doesn’t help either. The funniest thing is that you may not entirely realise what exactly is going on in terms of your own feelings, especially at that age (16-18ish). In my personal case, I thought I liked her but as a friend, only later to realise that well not as a friend oops :DDD The second thing (already not so funny) is that you actually consciously or unconsciously try to avoid the subject as much as possible, as long as possible and pretend that nothing is going on. We’re just bros. Stop doing this stupid gayish thing and don’t look at me like that, you’re annoying. If you ever do this again I (gently) kick you. I’m straighter than a straight line in my math textbook. IDK, but probably that’s your brain is somehow trying to protect you. Again, in my case&position I knew that the consequences for any non-straight person being outed would be bad (TW not to the point of being killed bad, but to the point of being excluded from a big part of society). So for me it was a mixture of the internalized homophobia + lack of self reflection + just being a bit emotionally slow + very! straight community around. Shit happens, I was a teenager and made my share of mistakes, but that experience helps me to recognize the same pattern of behaviour up to this day.   

So coming back to KM, because the post is already waaay too long and I just ramble. It’s been 2+ years for me being a part of this fandom, and what can I say... Things become more intense and eventful with every year passing by ;) Funny how I felt that vibe from the 2016 dance practice video. Seeing the Black Swan performance a week ago almost had me choked, no joking. They are amazing.

                                                    Pure Art

However, and I would like to emphasize that, I do not incline that KM are 100% romantically involved and/or gay or whatever. I tend to treat people with respect and not to make too much assumptions about their private life. That’s not my business. However, I’m also not a fan of heteronormativity, so I’m just sitting here and observe everything that’s going on putting some distance and not forgetting being generally polite and critical thinking. But if they are just straightest besties please give them an Oscar before Grammy

Anyways, I hope this blog won’t kick the bucket from the very start and I will post something every now and then. You can always ask me questions about some BTS/Jikook related stuff or something about Russia and a Russian view on mass culture topics, since I’m pretty sure some of you have very stereotypical view of what is going on here :) However, do note that I’ve never been to America or Europe, therefore I may not be aware of something verrrry obvious to you or just have a completely different experience. 

P.S.  And yeah, I’m used to say Jikook, since it’s the name which is used much more frequently in Russian.  i like it better and what will u do haha

[stormblessed95]

Hello!

I just want to know your views about the previous year vlives. I'm personally a jikooker and even though this question should go to a tk corner, I feel safe here. Tkkrs theories are crap (whichever I have stumbled upon). So I don't explore their shipping community plus I am jikooker. (I do explore yoonmin, minimoni 😊)

So the tk carnations vlive and jikook gimbap live. Why was there so much awkwardness between v and JK? And why was it so homely in between jikook? Let's just say jikook aren't a thing hypothetically 😂, but as bandmates they were able to pull the vlive quite funnily and engagingly.

JK literally said that this gimbap live was fun. And the carnations one, TK were mostly silent other than the time they sang. I feel more than JK, V was looking out of the place. I'm asking this because V seems like a very playful guy and he is most of the time. Was there nothing to talk about? No funny jokes which we have seen between tk previously? No teasing his maknae? I don't know it really does feel, V has changed drastically over the years. I miss the naughty little V.

JK as is is a speak when spoken to type when in front of camera (generally). Upon that V giving silent treatment and zoning out made the atmosphere very uncomfortable even as a viewer to watch. He did speak but it was not really an engaging vlive. Hope you understand what I mean?

Hello! Im glad you feel safe here. We can absolutely talk about the 2020 quarantine group vlives from last year and focus on the TK one. To start, I'll add the group vlives in order they did (not including the YouTube ones or BE planning sessions or full group ones) in order after lockdown started. This way you can even watch any you've missed and/or watch them in order and pay more attention to what goes on and the vibes given off between members during the live streams. I have gone back and rewatched ALL of these before answering this ask, just so that it was all fresh on my mind before I talked about it and gave my opinions. Thank you for being patient with me as I took so long to answer your ask. 💜 there is alot and some of this, the TK and KM ones in particular are quite long. Lol

The first would be our introvert line did a very short vlive together after recording for their ON comeback stages to say they missed having ARMY there when they performed. This was March 5th:

Then following them on March 6th, we had a vlive from RM and Taehyung together, where they couldn't quite figure out how to fix the camera angles so their live was sideways for the whole 15 minutes 😂 they talked about Tae writing songs and the story behind Inner Child and writing it together:

And to finish it off, the last 2 members Jimin and Jhope, went live together on March 8th, where rhey were unnecessarily flirty the whole time and so cute:

After this in April is when the crafts and/or activities being done in pairs during vlives started getting done. I'm not sure if the members picked what they wanted to do themselves.... or if the staff just set it up and told specific members to come shoot the video. Idk if they even picked the partnering for these vlives or if the staff did. But either way, these were all definitely more planned out than just "let's say hi to army" vlive. They were "we can't see army so we are trying to plan activities to entertain army" type vibes from these vlives that I was getting. Still fun and cute, but different vibes than normal.

Minimoni started us off in April on the 14th by making coffee together on vlive, this was so cute. I swear:

Then RM and Jhope decorating ARMY Bombs on April 23rd:

And ending April with JinKiMin playing Just Dance together on April 27th:

May is when we get the Taekook Carnations Vlive for Parents Day on May 5th. And I agree, neither of them seem like they really want to be there... we will talk more about that at the end though:

And then we had NamJin vlive on May 24th:

And then on June 21st, we had the last of these more scheduled paired up and structured vlived with Jikook being Gimpab chefs:

So as for ALL of them, none of these seemed like vlives they would have chosen to do on their own. The first 3 from March were much more on par with the way they did vlives before and continue to do vlives. The vlives where they did activities were very much seeming like they were told to do this to let ARMY see them doing stuff. Over half of them were heavily monitored by staff. It seemed like this was content filmed FOR us, rather than them just hanging out WITH us. Did that make sense at all? Hopefully, lol. I don't know how things were decided, but it seemed like staff set up these activities and then called a set of guys in to do them in front of the camera. Almost more like a bangtan bomb than just chilling and talking with Armys over livestream. And personally, I don't think Tae, especially, was super into that. You can see a difference in the vlive he did with RM that was more just hanging out on live before their show. And in all his solo lives from the year, just hanging out WITH ARMY. But so all the vibes of these were different than normal, I think. But let's talk in detail about the TK vlive!

The vlive starts out literally right away with them telling us what they are doing and that it's because it was children's day. JK tells us they might not talk much because they will be focusing. Sooo right off the bat, we are told not to expect too much. He tells us! Lol JK in particular gets really really focused on whatever he is doing when given a project or craft to do. Tae is similar, just in a bit of a lesser scale. We can see this in Winter Package 2020 too. They all had to decorate snow globes and everyone tried to keep conversation up and engage with each other and the cameras while doing their crafts, except for taekook. Nothing was wrong and they weren't upset. They were just focusing on their project and doing their best. They tend to laser in on stuff like that.

After letting us know what they will be doing, they briefly ask what the other had been doing. They said we went strawberry picking (sounding like Bangtan did it all together, but who knows). Tae talked about working on his music, JK about learning instruments. The staff then asked them to fix their volume and so JK leaned forward to adjust settings on the phone they had in front of them where they had their live up. They apologize saying they are new to this, they aren't new to vlives, but they are new to these new type of live stream crafting sessions BHM had them doing... and it was a bit of an awkward chuckle over that. JK then shouted "TaeKook" with a big smile from reading the comments, which I'm sure were flooded with comments like that. Lol instead of joking with him, Tae just goes "huh?" And doesn't seem to into it. No, i don't think anything was wrong with them together... but it is a marked difference from them normally embracing and laughing and enjoying their unit name together. Honestly, I just really think Tae didn't like these types of vlives, I think he felt like it wasn't a good use of time spent with ARMY. He would rather have been talking with us, listening to music and dancing with us or playing games with us. Arts and crafts that he wasn't actually into isn't how he would have chosen to spend his time. No, I also don't think he was FORCED. I just don't think he was excited about it, and that showed. JK didn't seem super into it either, but he was going to focus and get it done and enjoy what he could from it too.

Eventually they got started. Kookie said he would regret it if he didn't make it well, so he was focusing hard. But it didn't stop them from making the occasional joke together either. They eventually turned on some music, which they both seemed to enjoy more than trying to talk while crafting. The staff did end up telling them though to turn the music down so their voices could be heard more clearly. Just again, I think Taekook were fine. They weren't uncomfortable or unhappy to be together. Tae brought up Lana Del Ray, which JK promptly made a joke about Jimin. Interesting connection to make there, but again shows just how often they think of each other. There was lots of cute interactions and little conversations/moments through the live. Worth watching, but I agree. Definitely not the most engaging vlive they have done. Probably because neither of them seemed super into it.

And we weren't alone in feeling like the air or the general vibe of the vlive was a little off or just not as engaged as usual. Jungkook posted on Weverse right after basically apologizing for not getting to talk with Armys too much and said that next time he should do a live where he isn't making something. (And proceeded to do his next live with Jimin, making food lol)

This was also in May. ITS was also filmed in May. This probably was shortly before they had their ITS talk and things started getting even better between them and they started to rebuild their connection together. I think the awkwardness here wasn't because they were together, but because they were filming a live stream in a format they weren't used to, doing arts and crafts they really didn't want to be doing and trying to be entertaining for ARMY at the same time. Tae and JK also aren't people who "pretend" when they don't want to do something. I think they just felt a little uncomfortable with the way the vlive was working, but that had nothing to do with them.

As for why the Gimpab vlive didn't have that same awkward feel to it, well at that point this wasn't the first time they were filming a vlive where they were doing something like this and where staff were basically in charge of it. JK and done one with Tae, and Jimin had done coffee with RM and dance with YoonJin. So they were both a bit more used to it. And while TK are good friends, neither of them are each other's comfort person. They don't relax each other like Jimin does for both of them. JK is very comfortable around Jimin, he seeks out comfort from Jimin in ways that he doesn't with other people. It probably helped him feel more relaxed during the Gimbap vlive than he would have been with others. Plus cooking is also something that JK is simply more comfortable with doing as an activity than he is with building paper flowers and stressing about doing it properly. One he knows he is good at, the other he had never done before. So there are probably multiple factors playing into that one.

Hope this all made sense and helped a little! Thanks for the ask! 💜💜