#if he’s afton this is like his scraptrap era at this point

[montygatorguy]

joe is &j broadway’s william afton. he always comes back.

[miiilowo]

Honestly. I only love Glitchtrap because he seems like the most chaotic bitch of them all. And he’s cute in a weird weasely way. But he can just be like. A thing in his own universe. Stay behind as the man behind Vanny as she takes the mantle as the killer and Afton retires the title. I think of the steel wool era as it’s own timeline.

Because honestly Afton is burning in hell in my mind still. As he should be. I’ll allow him to at least have a second timeline but Burntrap is just spite keeping him alive at this point. At least Glitchtrap was an excuse. It was bits of him. He wasn’t some corpse. Burntrap was them parading around something more of a corpse than Springtrap and Scraptrap combined. His designs sick af looking imo but much as I love it he was unnecessary and felt like fanservice to the ‘I always come back thing’ less than they actually wanted to use Afton. They wanted to try using Vanny but just chickened out and didn’t know what to do with her after just introducing her.

They should’ve just. Let her be the villain. Make Afton a thing in the background. Let her mention the cult. And that be it. You don’t see him or anything. He needs to stay dead. The game series needs to move on from Afton. It’s been long enough. Let the man rest. He’s had enough punishment getting his ass handed to him every time he shows up already. Just leave him in cyber space as a malfunctioning Glitchtrap if you wanna keep your timeline. Erase Burntrap. He didn’t happen.

Move on. Let someone else be behind the child killings. Let Vanny take his title. She deserves it. The idea behind her character has so much to explore with.

And just. Get rid of the mimic theory. It’s stupid and unnecessary. If they want to keep Burntrap even though they shouldn’t just fucking admit it’s Afton. Admit you can’t get rid of that crutch that ol Willy boy is for the series. Always has to be a villain. Other take a backseat.

You know what I mean.

i do yea. I think their designs look good, but it sucks that they tried to bring him back in any capacity imo since it still undoes the ffps ending. I don't have much to add that I haven't already said in other posts

[paradoxgavel]

You’ve taught me so much. I can now say I understand a little bit bette why people love this series so much. It really is good. (i was just in it for Sun/Moon but I guess I should look into investing in a timeshare)

Ah, heh. Yeah, they're in the Pizzaplex, which is kinda a whole different part of FNAF from all the stuff I talked about in that post. I did say I'd do a summary of the Pizzaplex era lore, too, so! Here goes!

Also, for Sun and Moon specifically, there's this really great document where folks have compiled all of Sun and Moon's lore!

Fazbear Entertainment - still its own company though not run by William or Henry anymore - at one point, tried to improve their reputation by, in-universe trying to make it seem like all the events of the company's past were just fictional. In an attempt to do this AND profit off of this, they started developing the Freddy Fazbear Virtual Experince (Help Wanted VR). The company they hired to develop the game was sent a box of old animatronic parts recovered from the burned down Pizzeria - including some old circuit boards that they were asked to scan, digitize and upload into the game to help development along. It would seem that one of those circuit boards may or may not have come from William's body, Scraptrap, where William's soul still existed, as he was being tormented by Cassidy. Because, soon, a glitch began to appear in the game - looking like a man dressed up in a golden rabbit suit. Glitchtrap.

In Help Wanted VR, you play as a beta tester for the game named Vanessa. By playing through the game, she winds up allowing Glitchtrap to manifest himself in the game more and more until he's able to communicate with and, eventually, possess Vanessa - making her dress up as a bunny and go by the name Vanny. And he had her set her sights on the newest Fazbear location - the Pizzaplex.

Now, the Pizzaplex is kinda odd. It's the first Fazbear Entertainment facility that was built without Afton being involved. As such, the animatronics aren't (as far as I can tell) powered by Remnant - but really are basically sentient AIs in super high-tech robot bodies. There's the main performers - the Glamrocks: Glamrock Freddy, Glamrock Chica, Roxanne Wolf, and Montgomery Gator.

There's also a Glamrock Bonnie, but… he's out of commission. There's evidence to suggest Monty attacked him, buuut there's also evidence to suggest Monty was framed. Either way, though… Freddy and Bonnie were best friends, possibly in love, and poor Freddy misses him horribly.

Then, there's the Daycare Attendant - Sun and Moon! Two AIs who share a body, switching back and forth based on lights on or lights off.

And, in the arcade, there's DJ Music Man and his little mini Music Men. There's not a lot to him but he's big and cool and I like him a lot, hehe. And there are the Staff Bots - humanoid bots that can be programmed by the staff to hand basic tasks like handing out maps, cleaning floors, fetching animatronics for repairs, things like that. There's a LOT of Staff Bots rolling around the place. They seem to have largely replaced the human staff.

The place is still dangerous in that Fazbear Entertainment is a shady fuckin company that doesn't abide by OSHA regulations and could really not care less about child endangerment, but… the animatronics themselves actually don't seem possessed or evil or powered by Remnant or anything initially. In fact, they're generally apparently nice to be around, and can form emotional bonds to each other and to humans. They're just kinda. people. living a good life of chilling out and entertaining kids and having a fun time. And things are good. (It IS built on top of the site of the old Pizzeria, but like. it's fine. it's cool. there's a big, melted amalgamation of animatronics from the pizzeria called The Blob that exists bc of that, but. that's probably fine. whatever the hell that thing is.)

But things go south when Vanessa, possessed by Glitchtrap, becomes a security guard at the Pizzaplex and begins infecting the animatronics with Glitchtrap, who turns them most of them hostile and dangerous. It all comes to a boil one night when a kid who is likely homeless and may have been living in the Pizzaplex, Gregory, gets trapped in there after being chased by Vanny. He spends the night getting chased down by the corrupted animatronics. The only one who isn't corrupted is Freddy - as he glitched out and switched to safety mode right as the infection was taking place. Gregory explains to him that kids have been going missing lately, and that if someone doesn't do something, they'll keep going missing. So, Freddy spends the night trying to keep Gregory safe and help him get to the bottom of things.

There's some evidence to suggest that one of the first animatronics Glitchtrap infected and turned dangerous was Moon. It seems to be the case that Sun and Moon both used to be really excellent Daycare Attendants - Sun handling playtime with the kids when the lights were on, and Moon handling naptime and bedtime when the lights were off. And it sounds like Moon used to be really good at his job - gentle with kids and good with putting them to sleep. But… things started to go wrong because of Glitchtrap. Some sort of accident must have happened with Moon, because now, when we go to the daycare in the game, there are bright lights on at all times, backup generators to keep those lights on, and Sun basically begging us to never, ever turn the lights out - so it seems to be implied that after getting infected, Moon wound up attacking someone, and so, the Pizzaplex just kinda… tries to keep the lights on at all times so that he can't be active anymore.

So, Gregory spends the night trying to survive with Freddy, dodging the animatronics, and trying to figure out what's going on and stop it. He winds up attacking Chica, Roxy, and Monty, both to keep himself safe from them, but also to obtain special upgrades they had that would make Freddy more capable of helping him survive and get where he needed to go. Namely, he took Chica's voicebox, Roxy's eyes, and Monty's claws, leaving them all destroyed. But, at some point, Freddy winds up being taken out of the picture - either infected by Glitchtrap as well, or torn limb from limb by Staff Bots, depending on the ending, leaving Gregory to sort things out in the end.

Eventually, one of two things happen, depending on the ending. In one, he goes down through a sinkhole into the Pizzaplex to what seems to be the remains of the Pizzeria underneath. There, he discovers an endoskeleton covered in the remains of a corpse and wearing part of a rabbit costume - known as Burntrap. It was, at first, assumed that Burntrap was what was left of William Afton's body because. that would make sense. That doesn't seem to be the case, but I'll get to that in a bit. In this ending, Gregory also discovers the Blob, who attacks him as he tries to stop Burntrap. Gregory winds up escaping, and the Blob turns on Burntrap and grabs him, dragging him away, back into the depths of the ruins. This isn't what seems to be the canon ending, but it is still relevant!

In the other ending, the one that seems to be canon, Gregory discovers that, in order to keep her posssessed, Glitchtrap has trapped Vanessa's consciousness or soul has been trapped inside an arcade game - Princess Quest, in arcade cabinets all across the Pizzaplex. Gregory plays through all of these games and, in doing so, eventually sets Vanessa's consciousness free, and Glitchtrap loses control of her. The two of them find Freddy - or, what remains of him. His head. And the three leave the Pizzaplex together, leaving all the infected animatronics behind.

Eventually, either way, the Pizzaplex burns down, and falls into ruin.

Buuut... there's this thing called the Mimic. So, long story short - the Mimic was built by an inventor named Edwin Murray, to be a playmate for his son, David. The Mimic was designed to copy any behaviors it witnessed, could copy voices as well, and could stretch or shrink to be able to wear any animatronic suit it came across. David and the Mimic were best friends until David, one day, got killed in a car accident. Edwin, stricken with grief, was left with only the Mimic as a reminder of his son. And when it started mimicking some of David's old behaviors at Edwin to try and communicate with him, Edwin lost it and lashed out at the Mimic, attacking it and tearing it apart, leaving it for dead. But Fazbear folks learned about the Mimic eventually, and decided something like that could come in handy, so they sent folks to go collect it. And it used what it learned by being torn apart by Edwin to, well, tear them apart.

This went on for a while before they eventually managed to capture it and bring it back to the Pizzaplex, where they planned to mass produce it so that they could use its ability to mimic witnessed behavior as a shortcut to bypass having to program each and every endoskeleton they wanted to use. However, one employee, who was tasked with dismantling old endoskeletons, decided to borrow it to get it to do the work for him. He taught it how to dismantle the endoskeletons - rip off their heads and their arms. And you'll never GUESS what it started doing to humans!! So, they scrapped the idea of mass producing it, and planned to destroy it, but they weren't quite able to catch it. So, it went around, causing mayhem and continuously learning and adapting, watching the whole fiasco with Gregory over the security cameras.

And it seems?? like the Mimic was Burntrap. The corpse it was wearing wasn't William's - it was a lady it had attacked and crushed inside a suit in the books. But it does, at least, seem like the Mimic was also being influenced by Glitchtrap. So, Gregory and Vanessa escaped, and I'm guessing Vanessa explained the situation with Glitchtrap and how he was the thing behind everything and that he's still influencing the Mimic, making it even more dangerous than it already was to begin with. So, Vanessa finds a way to trap the Mimic in the ruins of the Pizzaplex, using a security system she's designed to scare, chase off, or attack any intruders that might potentially be lured into setting the Mimic free. The security system is called MXES!

But… the Mimic finds a way to reach out to one of Gregory's friends, Cassie, by mimicking Gregory and asking her to come save him from where he's trapped in the Pizzaplex. She's given a mask - Vanny's old mask - to wear, which implants a chip in her head, allowing her to interact with the virtual world, and the security system Vanessa set up to keep the Mimic trapped. Cassie ventures into the ruins, where she meets all the destroyed animatronics that were left behind. She winds up helping some of them. She gets Chica a new voicebox, and when she gets to the Daycare - where Moon is still in control due to it being all dark in the ruins, and is desperately trying to stay in control after being kept inactive for so long - Sun, reaching out to Cassie through her mask, begs her to reboot them. She manages to do so, which brings them back online as Eclipse - a combination of their two AIs, that seems to exist when they're in safety mode and works to keep things safe and tidy and fix whatever necessitated them being put in safety mode. It seems like Sun and Moon are both stable and in control now, Eclipse gently shoos Cassie out of the daycare so they can clean, and Sun thanks Cassie for helping them.

And Cassie used to come to the Pizzaplex a lot as a kid, and Roxy was always her favorite, and she has a happy memory of celebrating her birthday with her. Roxy remembers her, and in doing so, manages to snap out of Glitchtrap's influence and try to help her, but… the Mimic eventually tricks her into shutting Roxy down. And eventually, Cassie goes down to where the Mimic has been leading her and she helps it shut down MXES and set itself free. And she's horrified when she realizes that it was never Gregory she was following down there. The Mimic chases her, and there are a couple of endings. She either manages to get it into a Scooping room, where it gets scrapped, or… it pretends to be Gregory again to make her think Gregory is betraying her and hacks the elevator she's trying to escape in, making it fall, and trapping down there with it.

Annnd… that brings us up to the present, really! There's still a lot that's kinda not super clear in the lore right now - there's debate over whether Glitchtrap really is William or if it's the Mimic's AI, and it's not clear if Glitchtrap still has any influence over the animatronics after the Princess Quest ending and into Ruin, but... this is just how I've come to understand things!

[evil-eyedlurker]

Oh wow, thank you for the long response!

And Re: Withered Chica's (in)famous death voice line, I actually have seen some people dissect it from the perspective of Vengeful Spirit!Mike, under Dual Process Theory's comment section to be specific.

These people pointed out how Mike, by being Afton's not just eldest but also longest living (lol it's not funny but also lmao) child, would fit both parts of the line: "I was the *first*. I have seen *everything*."

Hell, with Mike being the protagonist of practically all the Cawthon era games, the latter part of the line even gains somewhat of a double meaning. Because Mike really *has* seen every sort of horror Fazbear Entertainment has to offer, from beginning to grizzly (heh) end.

These are all extremely good points that I love to be clear, but personally, I think we can go even further with this one line.

So, like I already mentioned in my ask, many of the animatronic death lines are supposed to be taunts, and very personal ones at that. The one that immediately comes to *my* mind is definitely Scraptrap's "I always come back", and not just because of how memeable it is either.

I mean, come on, the abused eldest son of a remorseless child killer appropriating the triumphant and self-congratulatory catchphrase of his piece of shit dad in order to psychologically torture him with it? That just goes hard. Like, goddamn Michael that is *so* cold, good for you!

Anyways, what I'm trying to get at here, is that I think that Withered Chica's line *is* supposed to be about Susie actually. Not directly from *her* perspective though, this is still Mike saying this through the Withered Chica animatronic. Rather I think this line is a taunting reference to Afton's very first murder (as I do still believe Susie was the first victim), similarly to how you explained Nightmarionne's line is a reference to Charlie's murder.

Because one thing to keep in mind about FNaF is that while everything in this convoluted series is a mystery to *us*, in universe? While some things are still definitely largely unknown, other things very much aren't. The Missing Children Incident in particular is a *very* infamous tragedy.

People *know* about this case, to the point that an entire *horror attraction* about the restaurant chain can open and be successful. (Well, okay, presumably successful, if it didn't, ya know, burn to the ground before it *could* actually open. Are we sure this isn't a comedy series lmao)

All of this to say, in universe, the order of Afton's victims would be known, even to the layman. It would be known that Susie was the first child to go missing at a Freddy Fazbear's. Mike himself would absolutely know Susie was the first, even if he wasn't so inseparably connected to the case.

Then, *because* he is so inseparably connected, I do genuinely believe he would have learned down the line *exactly* what happened to the missing children. He would have known that they were stuffed into the animatronics, that Susie was stuffed into Chica specifically. Hence why he has Withered Chica say that line.

And considering how Afton reacted to seeing the apparitions of his victims, how scared he became, to the point he accidentally killed himself in one of the most brutal ways imaginable, I'd say it would be very in-character for him to be deeply affected by this; a line simultaneously about the boy he hated the most and the girl he murdered first.

And Mike? Mike would know this. Of course he would.

After all, he has seen everything.

Okay, so something about Ultimate Custom Night that I just realised and have to share with someone:

One of Charlie-Puppet's death voice lines is "The others are like animals. But I am very aware."

So, first, the others? Who are the others? Well, from one of Charlie's other voice lines, the answer to that question is quite obvious: "The others are under my protection." They're the missing children.

And that's when something struck to me about that first line. If the other (child) victims of Afton are truly "like animals" and so "not aware"... then how can fanon Cassidy possibly be the Vengeful Spirit?

How can she create a custom hell just to torture the man who killed her? How can she bring these monstrous things to life? How can she make them taunt Afton so personally? Not in the sense of "how is she capable of this" but in the sense of "how does she have enough cognisance to be capable of this". Hell, how can she herself even talk through the animatronics, let alone so eloquently, if she is "like an animal"?

After all, fanon Cassidy is supposedly the fifth missing child. What reason is there for her to be any different than the others?

With all of this in mind, Charlie's voice lines work to further support Mike as the Vengeful Spirit of UCN in my opinion. Because there are many words to describe Michael Afton post-scooping. "Unaware" is not one of them.

youre the only mf who gets me

THAT ALSO RAISES THE QUESTION OF WHOS SAYING THE LINES!!

like, okay. we know of a minimum of 3 spirits in UCN. charlie, TOYSNHK/mike, and dave.

but MOST of the animatronics have lines! most of them are self-referential, some reference or are said by mike, and then some...well.

i highly recommend hearing them yourself, theres a lot of them i didnt know abt like rockstar bonnies, but heres a few of my faves.

under the cut bc as per usual, i LOVE being long-winded <3

ok SO. let's start with the main line everyone knows: I was the first. I have seen everything.

This line has thrown the death order into question. After all, If Susie was the first death, what about CCassidy and Charlie? What about Elizabeth?

But. That assumes Susie is saying this. Which she can't be, because not only is that not Classic Chica, but Charlie has already established that the others are "like animals", and therefore wouldn't be able to talk at all.

No, no. This line, much like the animatronics themselves, was made by the one he should not have killed: Mike.

Ok, but: How do we know for SURE that it's Mike? Well. A few reasons. Let's start simple: Orville.

This is a line you're probably familiar with. It is said by Mike through Orville. This line quickly establishes 3 key points:

Someone tried to release both Dave and Mike

Mike won't let that happen

Mike and Dave have been burned together, possibly by a third party, multiple times

*pulls up fnaf 3* Do we actually know that Mike set the place on fire? Would he know how that affects REMNANT at this point in the story?

OR...was there foul play involved? Did Henry burn down both FNAF3 and FNAF6's pizzerias? Did FNAF3 fail because the building was designed with fire safety in mind and Henry's was designed for his ridiculous plan? We know he has access to the SL blueprints, they're on the computer in FNAF6, theyre LABELED HRY. Was he part of Dave's insane plans until it got him arrested?

Who knows! It'd make a good narative tho. Anyway, observe some more lines.

I believe these lines are all more references to Mike. Mike knows about the scooping room and controlled shocks. Mike was the one who heard "You won't die" at the end of SL. Mike has seen the Nightmare animatronics. Mike has been hiding in Dave's shadow all his life, has even been mistaken for Dave.

And, as a bonus, 3 lines I think are interesting.

Two references to "I will put you back together", and this line from Nightmarionne.

"I am the fearful reflection of what you have created" is a fascinating line; this could apply to a lot of animatronics, and especially any of them in UCN, but it's given to Nightmarionne. I think this line is a reference to Charlie: Charlie, who doesn't hate Dave. Charlie, who only wants Dave out of the way. Charlie, who tries to keep her solutions peaceful. Charlie, who Dave killed.

And Nightmarionne, who is haunting Dave. Nightmarionne, who is the fearful reflection of his most pacifist victim. Nightmarionne, whos image has haunted Mike [assuming the Halloween Update of FNaF4 was canon, which it must be if its animatronics are ALL IN UCN].

ON THAT NOTE I FORGOT SOMETHING: THE ANIMATRONIC LIST ITSELF.

(plus Dee-Dee/XOR, Nightmare Chica, Plushtrap, Bonnet, Minireenas, and Lolbit, who are Bonus Animatronics)

This list has always bugged me. It's missing:

Withered Freddy

Withered Foxy

Phantom Puppet

Phantom Foxy

Phantom Chica

Nightmare Foxy*

Funtime Freddy + BonBon

*Technically NightMangle is here which COULD count. but i dont count it.

This clearly isn't a comprehensive list of animatronics by game. "Everyone is here" would be a lie. And yet...you have unimportant cameos like Lolbit, JJ, and Phone Guy, not to mention the Mediocre Melodies, Trash & the Gang, Helpy, the Rockstars, and El Chip. Why are THEY here?

Simple. Shrimple, even.

They were important to Michael Afton, manager of the FNaF 6 Pizzeria.

Yes, a lot of the absences are likely Scott struggling to think of interesting mechanics. I'll give him that. But I think it's notable that EVERY FNaF6 animatronic is here, despite the fact that I legitimately don't think the fanbase at large would've noticed if he hadn't included the Mediocre Fucking Melodies.