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ego-sandwich · 9 months ago
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OKAY SO, with the new Soulsucker lyrics "out" (from what can be figured out from videos and things people have posted), I think the idea I had of Soulsucker was kind of wrong. But now I have more theories for St*rfucker!!! So I'll share some of them here, but feel free to contribute because sometimes this gets hella confusing!!
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THE PROPERTY is the safe space Awsten built to protect himself from his fears or insecurities, as known as the demons.
THE SOULSUCKER comes from the part of Awsten that doesn’t want to leave his safe space. In order to protect the Property, he will destroy everything that tries to enter it (like in self sabotage when he ends a relationship before it can hurt him). However, that overprotection is also harmful, because that means Awsten won’t try to step out of his comfort zone and confront his demons. Because of that, the Soulsucker is also a demon, something Awsten needs to get rid off in order to leave the Property.
It's been a pleasure (So destroy my world, I'll tape the cracks) – you can try to ruin the property, but he'll protect it
It's nice to meet you ('Cause what you give out's what you get back) – he will destroy whatever tries to harm the property
THE ST*RFUCKER, as mentioned in the song of same title, is the only way out of the Property. If leaving a comfort zone means facing what you’re hiding yourself from, then the St*rfucker is Awsten’s alter that has learned how to face the demons, or is trying to (ex: the lusty lyrics that reject religious guilt).
To be honest, I'm still trying to figure him out, but that's what makes sense in my head for now. We mostly got Soulsucker content, such as Intellectual Property, but the next album/thing will be St*r's perspective supposedly so there's that. Just have to wait a little!
The St*rfucker and Soulsucker hate each other, but it hasn’t always been that way. They were once one, Awsten, but grew apart due to inner his conflicts. Now while Soulsucker wants Awsten safe inside the property, St*r believes he’s better off out of it.
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STORYLINE
We can't really pin point where exactly the story starts, but it was surely presented for us in Greatest Hits. Throughout the dreamy section of the album, we see Awsten talking about the demons and how they haunt him, as well as the presence of another character and the need of being somewhere safe.
I see his fucking face but he's not me - MAGNETIC (hinting Soulsucker)
Driving where no one can catch me Need a place to breathe and the sun is setting - Ice Bath (hinting the property)
Enough time to right my wrongs because I've wronged a lot - Ice Bath, hinting the religious guilt, another reason why he'll be hiding himself in the Property.
I won't quote the whole album, but every song show one of his fears or insecurities if you get deep into the lyrics.
What I think that happened: by the end of Greatest Hits, Awsten builds the Property (and I suppose he built it because all of the worker outfits he's been wearing to shows). The need to keep himself safe originates the Soulsucker, the protector of his safe space. Intellectual Property shows his ways of protecting the Property with destructive behaviours, such as self sabotaging (take a wild guess) or distancing himself from things that could possible hurt him (Closer). His strong prensence, especially on stage, means that he has taken over while Awsten is still inside the property, unable to leave.
St*rfucker originates from the needs of confrontation, facing what it takes to get the things he craves for. Overcoming the demons, facing his religious guilt in order to be able to love, to be loved and enjoy things that his demons wouldn't allow him to. He is the only one who can get Awsten out of the Property, and I believe the next releases from the band will show him trying to do so.
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anarchy-and-piglins · 28 days ago
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Hey so uh how does one actually go about watching dsmp lore??? I tried watching it in full once from a big ass yt playlist that was meant to have all the important stuff but it was loads of giant long vods that I don't have the attention span for with tiny amounts of relevent lore and I didn't make it very far. I'm assuming ur not supposed to watch it like a show, right??? Like you don't have to watch literally everything that happened???? I could probably just cherrypick some important+interesting plot points and watch them in a vague order????? How do you people do this
Ah yes, DSMP lore, the forever discussion. I'll be honest, it's not easy to get into the DSMP lore because you have a bunch of different POVs that cover a bunch of different plot lines and events, and at least some of this is lost media (streams were not always archived so there are big chunks of people's POVs missing).
I agree that trying to watch ALL of it (all POVs, all storylines) is not a good approach. What is a good approach might be subjective, but here's my personal advice for the best way to experience the DSMP canon as a latecomer:
1 - Pick a specific POV and start with that
A lot easier than trying to watch all in one go or even cherry-picking 'important events' is to pick one specific person's POV and try to watch all of that. You can use a CC whose style you mash with. Personally, I would highly recommend Techno's POV not because I'm biased (though I am) but because he's one of the few CC who has a convenient playlist with all his streams, so you get a complete experience. He also was reasonably involved in a lot of 'bigger' events without streaming daily to the point it gets overwhelming to backwatch his POV. The downside of his POV is you'll miss the pre-Pogtopia stuff, but you can use his POV as a starting point to decide what other CC you'd want to see their POVs of, or watch more POVs of a specific event AFTER you've experienced it within the canon timeline. I do not recommend watching them in a vague order to start out though, I do feel you'd significantly lose the impact of the story.
2 - Yes, you have to watch the giant long vods (kinda)
Yes, the dsmp has a lot of random long 'filler' vods in between big events, but that filler often does build characters and makes you attached to them, so I don't really think skipping them completely and only watching compilations of big events is really going to give you a good experience. People also drop surprise background info in the vods sometimes, there's roleplay beyond just the Big Events (tm). At the very least, you should skim the large vods or maybe play them in the background while doing something else. If you pick a CC you really like, their long vods won't feel like a chore (again, Techno is great for this since he's so entertaining imo).
3 - But also you don't HAVE to watch the long vods (or anything)
On the other hand, the upside of the multiple POV thing is that you don't really like, have to experience everybody's POV. It's okay (and part of the true dsmp experience) to miss out on stuff. I never got into Kinoko Kingdom, I never got into Karl's whole time travel thing, I know very little about Puffy or Ponk or even Eret. You can just stick to your chosen POV and even if that's all you ever invest in, you got yourself a lovely little story to follow. Do not feel the pressure of needing to partake in EVERY plot line or character because I don't think there are many dsmp fans wo have done that and had a good time lol.
4 - You can get your lore from other sources
If you do want to know more about specific events, characters, dynamics, etc and don't want to watch a million POVs, there's really no shame in getting your lore from other sources. Fanart, fanfic, animatics, the wiki, transcripts or lore analysis fans wrote, etc. My only advice is to stay mindful that fans are biased and in the dsmp fandom specifically some people get really fanon-y with their interpretations, so keep that in the back of your mind. Try to take everything with a grain of salt or not just listen to the stans of one character, because they might be misrepresenting canon lol.
I'm not a big fan of a lot of the compilation videos that try to condense the entire dsmp because they often seem super biased to one character and you lose all the charm of the multi-pov approach, hence why I don't advise them as, like, the 'main' or 'first' way to get into dsmp. BUT if you already watched your chosen blorbo's POV and you just want to get some more bite-sized content on one specific event or character, some compilation videos can be nice. Just, again, be aware that you're losing at least SOME context and seeing a very condensed version.
If you want to partake in any kind of lore analysis or discussion for the love of god make sure you got your canon facts straight bc I'm so sick of people bringing fanon/heacanons into actual lore posts- -gets shot-
5 - Just find somebody who is mentally ill /j
In the same vein as 'it's okay to get your lore from other sources', other sources can be 'a random dude on tumblr'. There's a ton of people who are still very passionate about specific characters/lore from the dsmp or the dsmp as a whole, and who probably are more than willing to talk about their favs and lay out the lore for you. I know I certainly need only minimal encouragement to yap about c!Techno and his lore and his relationships for HOURS, and I'm knowledgeable about canon dsmp lore in general, so even if it's not about c!Techno I don't mind answering questions. Curious about a specific character/event/lore thing? Just ask somebody. It's free, it's quick, it's going to make a mentally ill person's day /hj
Again with this one I do advise keeping in mind that some people are biased and might confuse fanon with canon (I'm reasonably good at not doing that, I'd say, but I am a little biased towards c!Techno to some degree probably), and I'd only advise doing it after you've already watched your chosen POV at least for a little while and only use it to get extra info or other perspectives. Unless you wanna ask somebody to lay out like, THE ENTIRE LORE of the server which seems kinda silly. But I bet you'd still find somebody who is willing to do that (sombody is me).
Sorry for yapping so much lol
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silvertws · 1 year ago
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Oh... you thought my hyperfixation was over didn't you ... WELL THINK AGAIN! >:D
Currently updated list of different Steve sagas I have watched or I'm currently watching:
1) LOTB (Legend of the Balancers) (first one I've come across, where it all started, thanks for the hyperfixation :D)
2) RR (Ruined Reality) (I'm not saying I have favourites but...)
3) Steve Saga (The one by EarthlyCrown)
4) Bedrock Rising
5) OQP (Ore Quest Prime)
6) Crimson Life Origins, (if anything happens to the triplets I'll throw hands, for legal reasons, this is a joke)
7) Fragmented Realities (AH-! I FINALLY FOUND IT AGAIN >:D),
8) A Dark Soul (ok maybe I slightly do have favourites)
9) Rainbow Quest, (sobs aggressively in Orange Rainbow Steve)
10) Steve Legends, (still sobbing over Seer and Colle? Yes.)
11) Twisted Rainbow, (I'm literally obsessed with Sabre's insane arc)
12) Before We Fell
13) Elemental Quest
14) Elemental Quest Air
15-16) Elemental Quest Commander (I put them as 15-16 because I watched both Air and Ocean povs)
17) The Dark Steve Saga (honestly??? Slay. I would too sell my soul to be the mc lol)
18) The First Saviour (I can totally see nothing will go wrong here, what?? Noooo definitely not going to have a traumatized mc)
19) Shattered Origins
20) Fragments
21) Alex Era (*sighs* I have given into the Darkside and went back to watching it)
22) Tale of the Spirit Walker (it was funky, I like funky)
23) Lost transfiguration (the mc naiveness is hurting me, also he's definitely being played by Plague, COME ON. IT'S LITERALLY PLAGUE.)
24) Steve World
24) Astral Origins
25) Elemental Rising. (You guys are evil)
Series that I'm unsure if I'll finish for...reasons
Steve Saga (yes, Sabre's one this time)
Purple Legends
Series that I want to watch:
Elemental Quest (oh yes, all of them, leave me be) and literally whatever else I can find >:3 your recommendations, hand them over.
Update: I watched them >:3
This should probably be my wake up call that I may be slightly obsessed over the funky Minecraft men, but whatever.
It's fine.
The Steve-verse is full of limitless possibilities.
I hate the fact that I have an idea for a storyline that I'm never going to make.
Pain.
Why do I do this to myself you may ask?
i.dont.know.
I just do.
If only I had the motivation to make some funky animations or animatics about the silly goofy traumatized Minecraft men.
Hand your motivation over. Now.
Oh... and another thing... I've watched... many, many Minecraft roleplays in my life... so.many. and let's not talk about the animated series??? Like hello?????? Some of them are just ✨ the urge to make fanart is strong.
But studying for two upcoming tests is stronger TwT
Back to make my brain explode I go.
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doughguts-art · 3 months ago
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-Cracks knuckles- hehe more questions, thank you!
Cross or X? It's both. Because of the angle Bandit's head was tilted in his original gamesprite, there was a lot of community confusion about whether it was an X or a Cross. Bandit's creator drew it as an X in concept art, but some people only knew him from games (without the context of that art), so it just grew from there. There's a bunch of art floating around with his X instead as a Cross, and I didn't want to invalidate people's fanart. I found it easier to draw it both ways anyway, so that's just become the default. He does call it an X though, even when it is a Cross
Bandit would definitely be able to use other weapons. I imagine he works with what he has, and is just able to easily pick up new skills from observation.
Kinda a yes kinda a no in the case of Bandit meeting guardians. I can imagine how those interactions would go, but in practice I have no storyline currently of him meeting any of them. So I'll settle on a "No, for now"
Same meta-awareness as Zacharie (if not more) but it really depends on how meta you think Zacharie is. I think more because I imagine Zacharie knows he's in a game and how the game works, while Bandit is aware not only of the game, but the fangames, and the larger fandom as a whole. Yes Bandit has been included in multiple fangames, but he's technically been removed from most of them. I could go on a whole tangent for that, but it'll have to be a separate thing. Bandit would be aware he used to be in those stories, but was removed. What happened in those stories may still influence how he acts in his current, personal story.
Finch can't beat the shit outta Bandit cuz Bandit has a gun, but I appreciate rooting for Finch haha
Bandit's opinions on each zone's elsen: Zone 1 - uptight and boring Zone 2 - scaredy-cats Zone 3 - know's how to party/unpredictable The Room - weird as all hell He'll cozy up to anyone tho, because again he cares most about the money
Bandit is originally from Zone 2
Rock-paper-scissors is a game done with both hands in my case, so I'm not sure how the Inventor would be able to try and steal something, but for the sake of the hypothetical, Bandit wouldn't let anyone steal from him. Inventor would probably not walk away from the game.
I can't really imagine a canon ship involving Bandit. He's just not that type of guy to care so much about anything other than his personal gain
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Here's an old sketch of Bandit and a tiny Japhet that I cleaned up. Since Japhet is so protective of his citizens, I feel like he'd be super distressed concerning Bandit's X lol
Okay okay back with more Bandit questions and observations now!!! Hi!!! First off, what's the model of his gun? Literally just curious, really doesn't mean anything unless I feel like drawing it lmao. Secondly, what's his thoughts on the people in power/the guardians + the queen (I'm lumping the Judge into the guardians)? You said he won't work when he can survive well on his own, but does his dislike stretch out to even wishing harm on the guardians? Actually, does he know if a guardian dies, their Zone dies, too? How knowledgeable is he on the world of OFF's lore and how it functions?? Thirdly, does he have any friends I should know about? You drew him interacting with Project Goldfinch/Just Finch to break up the text in my first ask, what's their relationship? Does Bandit scam him to hell and back, or do they just casually chat every now and then? Fourthly, I VERY BRIEFLY checked out Ask Bandit and here are some observations I made: Uno, how come you ship him with Red from Animal Crossing? Is it cuz they both steal and resell?? If so, that's hilarious and I love your sense of humor. Dos, when drawing him with Elsen 7 I did not know Bandit currently resides in Zone Three, because 7 lives in Zone One. This whole time I was under the impression he travels through Zones for some reason lol? I guess that's my curse of having a handful of ECU Elsen that do that themselves lmao. Last but not least, not something Ask Bandit related, just generally speaking, would you like to see any future doodles I make of Bandit, whether he's interacting with my own OCs or otherwise? If not, I totally get it lol. Sorry if this is too many questions btw!! You're free to infiltrate my inbox with silly questions too if you want, just to make it more fair. Thank you! :]
Apologies in advance, I didn't make any new Bandit art for this post so I'm just linking something I drew in April that I don't think I shared to tumblr XD Answer time!
I modeled Bandit's gun after a Glock?? Kinda?? I didn't really reference a specific model, more like loosely inspired. I probably should create a prop-reference for it, but I haven't yet.
Bandit's dislike for authority does not stretch to wanting to take out the guardians. It would be counter-intuitive to his role as a merchant to kill off his customers by killing off the guardians. Bandit cares too much about profit, and although the guardians are annoying, without them he wouldn't have profit.
Bandit is fully aware on how the world of OFF works, it's inner workings, and other meta things.
Bandit will say anyone is his friend, even if they clearly hate him. Louis would be the only one that would truly think of Bandit as a friend (except maybe my elsen-sona, but they're a mary-sue type oc and should probably not be counted if we're talking in-universe/story lol)
As Finch is the protagonist in my game concept, Bandit will be the merchant selling them items. Finch is distrusting of Bandit, but sees him as a necessity in their mission. I do have an idea where Bandit does steal something from Finch to propel the plot, but who knows if that'll stay in the final lol
Bandit x Redd is a joke ship created by @brandy-elsen (tagging the account it was posted on and not your current account because I do not wanna waste a tag on this I am sorry Brandy AHHSGFG). All the credits to her for the comedic genius. I think you guessed right as to why that ship exists tho. I just drew it for that post because it met the "two pieces of fanart" criteria I set.
Bandit travels the zones, your initial assumption was right. He is only in Zone 3 on the askbandit blog because of the story being told on there. He's gotta refill his stock of sugar manually since sugar happens to be one of the things he cannot magically pull from his pack.
I would love to see future doodles you make of Bandit! I like collecting all the fanart I get and posting it (with credits/links) to his gallery on toyhouse.
I'm terrible with asking questions, but I'll keep your offer in mind if I have any in the future! :D
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a dapper Bandit in a suit
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awintersrose · 7 years ago
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Kri-Kee: Could I just ask you for every single letter from the Alphabet Ask you reblogged? ;p If not, A, B, C, D, E, G, H, K, L, M, N, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y. Or however many you want to answer. I'll even try to answer in reverse too, but I might have to submit a post for it.
Haha, gonna do my best! I did omit B, D, J, and M because I answered them in a previous post here.
A - Ships that you currently like a lot. (They don’t have to be OTPs because not everyone has OTPs.) Friendships, pairings, threesomes, etc. are allowed. Sannin OT3 and every combination to be made between them. Madara/Tobirama, Kakashi/Yamato, Kakashi/Sakura, Itachi/Sakura, Suigetsu/Karin, Naruto/Sakura/Sasuke, Yahiko/Konan/Nagato, Kisame/Mei, Kisame/Itachi, Neji/Tenten, and many others. It changes with the wind or whatever good fanart/fanfic I am exposed to.
C - A ship you have never liked and probably never will. Have to go outside Naruto for this one, because there is very little I don’t like. Buffy/Angel. There, I said it xD Spike was better. (I won’t argue about this with anyone, it just is what it is)
E - Have you added anything cracky/hilarious to your fandom? If so, what? Maybe my depiction of drunk!Orochimaru in Secret Ceremonials, I don’t know lol.
F - What’s the longest you’ve ever been in a fandom? I don’t know about actively contributing to fandom, but I have been following the Naruto series and fanfic/fanart since sometime in college, so…something like 14 years (oh goodness)
G - Have you ever had an OTP? If so, do you remember your first one? Who was in it? My OTP is obviously Sannin OT3. I have been lingering outside established fandom since before the term OTP existed, but my old favorites were from Inuyasha -  Miroku/Sango, Sesshoumaru/Kagome
H - What is your favorite source text for fandom stuff (e.g., TV shows, movies, books, anime, Western animation, etc.)? Anime/manga. 
I - Has Tumblr caused you to stop liking any fandoms, if so, which and why? No, not really, but I am pretty good at filtering out what I don’t like.
K - What character has your favorite development arc/the best development arc? Sakura. Can we just forget the ending happened and fill in some gaps, letting her be the awesome character she is and not reduced to a lonely housewife?
L - Say something genuinely nice about a character who isn’t one of your faves. (Characters you’re neutral about are fair game, as are characters you merely dislike. Characters that you absolutely loathe with the fire of ten thousand suns are exempt, as there is no point in giving yourself an aneurysm over a character that you hate.) Hmm…neutral feelings…what are those? Umm…Iruka perhaps. To me, he is in flat out neutral territory on his own and in canon. I like him in fic if he is characterized the right way. Dominant!Iruka is rare, but pretty great. 
N - Name three things you wish you saw more or in your main fandom (or a fandom of choice). Only three? Female characters being awesome, and given as much development and recognition as male characters. AUs and fix-it fics that focus on righting wrongs in the shinobi world, Team 7 and re-established bonds. Fewer ship wars, and an end to ridiculous assertions that consensual relationships between adults are somehow immoral if there is a gap in age, though both parties are adults.
O - Choose a song at random. Which ship or character does it remind you of? “Never Enough” by Aesthetic Perfection, Orochimaru x Science/Ninjutsu. “I’m not satisfied / It’s all or nothing / there’s no peace of mind for me / And even though I try / My greedy heart is hungry / I’m not satisfied, you see.”
P - Invent a random AU for any fandom (we always need more ideas). Steampunk Circus AU! Could be fun :D
Q - A fandom you’ve abandoned and why. Fruits Basket, many moons ago. I fell out of step with the storyline after the Akito reveal (which really messed with fan response to a lot of fanfic written well beforehand, including an author I used to beta for) and I never caught up.
R - Which friendship/platonic relationship is your favorite in fandom? Kakashi & Gai
S - Show us an example of your personal headcanon (prompts optional but encouraged) Uzushiogakure being completely matriarchal and matrilineal, and key Uzumaki abilities inherited primarily by the women of the clan.
T - Do you have any hard and fast headcanons that you will die defending? I think it’s now technically canon, but genderfluid, no-fucks-given-about-gender-roles! Orochimaru is one that I will hold onto for all time.
U - Three favorite characters from three different fandoms, and why they’re your favorites. I’m gonna branch out here: Hisoka Morow from Hunter x Hunter - so terrible, yet amazing, thus I hate him and love him at the same time. Ririchiyo Shirakiin from Inu Boku SS - I relate to her tsundere personality. Willow Rosenberg from Buffy the Vampire Slayer - What’s not to love in a nerdy girl turned badass witch and general force to be reckoned with?
V - Which character do you relate to most? I really don’t know…too many :P
W - A trope which you are virtually certain to hate in any fandom. Harems
X - A trope which you are almost certain to love in any fandom. Arranged marriages, found family, the ‘only one bed’ trope done right :D
Y - What are your secondhand fandoms (i.e., fandoms you aren’t in personally but are tangentially familiar with because your friends/people on your dash are in them)? Yuri On Ice…I love it but I can’t get too heavily involved in another fandom
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nin-jay-go · 2 years ago
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there's not really any concrete storyline other than following and fixing the canon seasons (and adding a few inbetween) so lemme list out some of the general things for it!
i love typing. readmore time
-the ninja do not have public identities. ninjago city knows the black ninja, not cole; they know the red ninja, not kai. the only exception is lloyd after the events of season 8
-yes this means people make their own interpretations and fanart of what they think the ninja look like under their hoods. kai and jay are obsessed with looking through them on twitter
-the dragons more resemble traditional chinese dragons, rather than western dragons. that means no wings and moreso snake than lizard
-i saw a rewrite fic where they changed the name of the realm from ninjago to jago, so i was thinking of doing something similar (not jago, but it's getting a different name for sure)
-jamanakai is also getting a slightly different name bc that means fucking nothing in japanese (and probably other languages but i don't speak them lol)
-just. rewriting everyting so ninjago is just a silly phrase the ninja coined and not fuckin . the name of Everything
-i gave the ninja birthdays. nothing too exciting but they sure are there now
-i added morro to the main story. because i love them too much and i did this back in 2018 too when i was first rewriting it LMAOOOO
-they're now the gray ninja, master of wind, and a cursed mannequin (dotd was wild to rework lmao). i also gave them a partner djhkfgkjdfghd
-i'm also making pixal a stronger character. not like she's buff (because she is and i made her buffer) but in the character sense, since the writers all but forgot about her in later seasons despite being just as important. like yea she's a samurai, not a ninja, but she's still part of the main gang :/
-similarly my friend is very fixated on nya being the water samurai instead of the water ninja. i'm unsure if i'm sticking with it but it is something to consider
-her main color is cyan now btw. she's not gray. what kind of water is GRAY.
-i'll be going more into depth with wu and garmadon's abilities because the writers genuinely forgot that they have elements as well
-all the characters get a lot more development and growth; by the time the show ends they're fully grown adults and not having a Time like kai is having in his late-season writing
-i'm just gonna remove the tornado of creation. they used it like twice.
-i'm READDING airjitzu and the elemental dragons. i'm so mad they got rid of them. if anyone has an explanation as to why they lost it please tell me
-i'm not gonna talk about individual seasons here, you can ask about them separately if you're more curious, but this post is long enough as is lmao (currently Biggest rewrites are ice chapter, prime empire, and crystalized. don't ask about rebooted or skybound i have no fucking clue what i'm doing for them yet)
-some of the characters get minor redesigns and workarounds but nothing too major. i'm still keeping everyone the same hue and element i'm just tweaking accent colors (except nya i've already stated that WATER ISN'T BLUE)
-jay's serpentine! well, half of one. fangpyre bite go bwrrrr
-skylor is also of the same species technically? they're the only two of their kind so they call each other the same species, except that jay's fangpyre and skylor's anacondrai
-the ninja get kids. not biological kids, but this is a post-crystalized season 2 (there's Something for pc-s1 but i haven't decided)
-timeline so bad aaaaaaaa
-i dont really have anything else off the top of my head but i Can and Will reblog with more info if anyone's curious jdkfhgkjdhfg
no one said it would be hard to do a rewrite. aaaaaaaaa
hi i'm mischief and i disregard tommy's word on everything <3 the ninja can be 14 at pilot-s2 i will fight him about this (zane's entry on the wiki page is the only thing we have for ANY form of timeline but it doesn't work if s9 is any indication i WILL write a better post when it isn't like 12am)
also because only lloyd has a canon bday i can do whatever i want and turns out skybound was released the day after my birthday so my kinnie ass jumped for jay being a day younger than me KJHDKJSHDF
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