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piovascosimo · 1 year ago
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Louis' boxscores are out and wow, was I spot on!
In my last post I claimed that he hadn't actually grown his audience from his last tour, as his fans claimed, and that he repeated the same numbers instead.
This is what I said about Argentina:
Louis in Argentina had sold 25,957 tickets in 2023 "while Harry was touring. (Harry sold 123,942 tickets in the same country)." If he even repeated his 25,000 crowd I'd be shocked. But he definitely didn't grow this audience. It was as small as before, at best.
This was his box score for Argentina:
Estadio Vélez Sarsfield, Buenos Aires: 20,318 (72.76%) - $1,490,300
Bahahahha. This is what I said about Brazil:
Harry had three shows in Allianz Parque which had a combined attendance of 137,009. Each show roughly 45/46K. That is a third of that stadium. And Louis did not sell out, there were tickets available in all sections right up until the moment the show started. Louis had one show. You can see the empty seats in multiple videos on Twitter. Meaning, Louis' attendance was at best 15K. That is, once again, the same exact audience he had for his previous tour.
This was his box score for Brazil:
Allianz Parque, São Paulo: 16,406 (77.81%) - $1,299,866
This is what I said about Mexico:
The 70,000 number came from a fan and people just ran with it, particularly multiple Spanish speaking blogs who aren't very reputable. The actual attendance was 32,000. I know there's a source for this but I didn't save it, it was an official Mexican news outlet who spoke with the organizers.
This was his box score for Mexico:
Autódromo Hermanos Rodriguez, Mexico City: 31,562 (97.06%) - $2,788,570
Genuinely shocked at my own ability to guesstimate audiences at a glance, but ANYWAY.
His fans are obviously claiming these numbers are fake, or they're just "platinum tickets" ????
Touring Data posts box scores they obtain from Pollstar, which audits concerts and gets information straight from the source. Either the artist's team or the venue. The numbers are 100% official. This is what he sold.
If they hadn't been hellbent on surpassing or matching Harry, and centering this man's life and career around his former (much more famous, much more talented) bandmate, then they'd realize that the fact that he has those audiences is a miracle that should be celebrated.
A person who cannot sing, play instruments, or compose music, refuses to dress up or make any sort of effort, doesn't learn his own lyrics, and has the charisma of a cardboard box, selling 32,000 tickets for a show is ridiculous enough.
Here's the complete list:
Mexico City (Mexico): 31,562 (97.06%) - $2,788,570
Buenos Aires (Argentina): 20,318 (72.76%) - $1,490,300
São Paulo (Brazil): 16,406 (77.81%) - $1,299,866
Guadalajara (Mexico): 12,975 (99.46%) - $1,143,498
Santiago (Chile): 12,979 (50.08%) - $829,243
Querétaro (Mexico): 4,938 (100%) - $480,594
Bogotá (Colombia): 5,576 (69.53%) - $463,305
Curitiba (Brazil): 5,379 (64.07%) - $452,919
Lima (Peru): 5,784 (90.54%) - $425,584
Rio de Janeiro (Brazil): 6,101 (80.30%) - $387,853
Montevideo (Uruguay): 2,882 (73.60%) - $343,658
San José (Costa Rica): 3,314 (48.67%) - $290,948
Panama City (Panama): 1,718 (68.80%) - $174,277
Asunción (Paraguay): 3,025 (65.12%) - $167,174
San Juan (Puerto Rico): 2,046 (38.19%) - $161,370
The percentages are off, of course, because that's the percentage of tickets sold THAT HE PUT OUT ON SALE. Not actual capacity. In actuality, those places are much, much bigger, he just reduced capacity by a bunch and put only parts of the venues on sale, and even then he could only fully sell out ONE show.
Let's look at actual venue capacity of his biggest shows, not going by Wikipedia numbers, because often those numbers are maximum-maximum and to actually achieve that you have to not have a stage or a catwalk or a sound box. I'm going to compare to other concerts in the same venue, where possible!
Mexico City, Mexico - Autódromo Hermanos Rodriguez
This one is actually quite hard to find info of. It's a venue used mainly for festivals, such as Arre, Electric Daisy, Vive Latino, etc. I cannot find single concerts here. And it makes sense because Louis' wasn't a single concert, but that vanity project of his that is his "Away From Home" festival. Where it's him as the main act and two or three more random white boy bands, who are often far better than him.
Anyway, attendance to this ground goes from 70,000 to 110,000, so the idea that his 31,562 sold out 97% of tickets is absurd. It's more along the lines of 30% of capacity.
Buenos Aires, Argentina - Estadio Vélez Sarsfield
This one is easy, as I've said before, One Direction performed there in 2014. I presume he chose it as some sort of ego trip?
One Direction sold out two shows at 80,622 making attendance for each 40,311.
To be fair, let's look up other shows! Karol G did two shows in 2024, her attendance for both was 82,818, meaning 41,409 for each.
Bad Bunny did two shows in 2022, his attendance for both was 85,345, meaning 42,672 for each.
So how on earth would 20,318, what Louis sold, represent almost 73%? If we take capacity of this stadium to be 41,000 then he sold less than 50% of the total amount of tickets....
São Paulo, Brazil - Allianz parque
Harry did three shows in this stadium, totalling 137,009 tickets sold, meaning 45,669 per show.
BTS had two shows in this stadium in 2019, totalling 84,728 tickets sold, meaning 42,364 per show.
Ed Sheeran had two shows in this stadium in 2019, totalling 81,156 tickets sold, meaning 40,578 per show.
Paul McCartney had two shows in this stadium in 2019, totalling 90,384 tickets sold, meaning 45,192.
Let's average it and we get about 43,500 for capacity. So how much of that did Louis' 16,406 represent? Was it almost 78%?
No, more along the lines of 37.7%.
I'm entirely too lazy to look up the others, and most of them are rather small and the arenas are quite obscure, so less acts have performed there (honestly, I think it'd be almost impossible to find concrete info for the venues in Costa Rica and Puerto Rico), but I really wanna know what possessed this man to book these venues??
He sold the same amount or more tickets for his first tour, in much smaller venues. It makes no sense at all. Booking those stadiums/big venues is more expensive, security for those venues is more expensive, staging is more expensive, you need more man power to put the stage together and apart, you actually have to either have multiple versions of your stage to fit the different types of venues, or have a too big stage at a small venue or a too small stage at a big venue, the ambiance of the show is worse, the sound of the show is worse.
So WHY? Is it the ego trip to claim he performed there? He can't possibly be that ridiculous. He's almost 33 years old. He's losing money. For a lot of these shows, I'm willing to bet he actually, not figuratively, had a loss in terms of the cost of putting the show together vs the gross of the show itself.
His first tour in Latin America vs his second tour:
Chile:
2023 | 24,063
2024 | 12,979
Paraguay:
2023 | 5,178
2024 | 3,025
Argentina:
2023 | 25,967
2024 | 20,318
Uruguay:
2023 | 6,627
2024 | 2,882 (oof, and this was in the same venue)
Brazil:
Rio 2023 | 12,206
Rio 2024 | 6,101
Sao Paulo 2023 | 15,426
Sao Paulo 2024 | 16,406
Peru:
2023 | 13,950
2024 | 5,784
Colombia:
2023 | 10,825
2024 | 5,576
Costa Rica:
2023 | 7,302
2024 | 3,314
Puerto Rico:
2023 | 3,595
2024 | 2,046
Mexico:
Monterrey 2023 | 6,674
Queretaro 2024 | 4,938
Guadalajara 2023 | 8,004
Guadalajara 2024 | 12,975
Mexico City 2023 | 23,894
Mexico City 2024 | 31,562
I put together Monterrey and Queretaro cause they're both in Mexico and he didn't repeat cities there. He had two extra cities, one in Brazil (Curitiba 5,379 attendance) and one in Panama (1,718 attendance) comparing from his last tour.
Total amount of tickets sold in Latin America in 2023: 163,714
Total amount of tickets sold in Latin America in 2024: 135,003
This is even though the venues were bigger and he visited more cities. But I thought he was doubling, tripling his audiences? LMAO.
His gross was sliiiightly more than in 2023:
2023: 9,240,254
2024: 10,473,240
But any positive difference he may have made was most likely offset by the cost of renting those venues and putting the shows together. Plus, not to mention it has been quite the year of inflation globally.
His own fans need to stop setting him up!
This is the source for the data
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I'll be back soon, god willing, to make a comprehensive post about Louis being a high school homophobic bully and his large documented history of homophobia.
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chibrary · 1 year ago
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“Brrrrrr!” says Charles Leclerc, on a chilly late afternoon in a São Paulo that’s enveloped in grey and pendulous cloud.
Cruelly denied a coat by our photographer, Charles hastens from the back of the Sauber garage to the welcoming environs of the team unit as soon as his duties are concluded. Glenn, our snapper, replaces a lens cap and shakes his head ruefully. “You can’t treat ‘em like kids,” he says. “Otherwise it starts with you letting them wear a coat and ends with you having to take all the blue M&MS out of the bowl…”
Perhaps in some cases, but Charles Leclerc is emphatically not cut from junior diva cloth. Though F1 starwrangler Nicolas Todt has steered his career, Leclerc’s talent and singular determination has provided the momentum. There is not a hint of the silver spoon about his rise to prominence, and that comes across in the respectful politesse with which he unfailingly conducts himself.
Now seated and beginning to thaw, Charles holds the question deck between finger and thumb and regards it with genuine surprise. “All these are from fans?” he asks, agog at how an F1 rookie could possibly generate so much interest.
Well, there’s a reason for that… [...]
source: gp racing (uk) series: 2018, f1
What does the underside of Alonso's car look like? David Foulston, UK CL: The underside? What's the underside? [The penny drops] Ah! Yes, when he went flying over me [at the start of the Belgian Grand Prix]. I tell you, it happened so fast that I could barely see anything. I certainly wasn't going to analyse it [technically]. It was definitely black, but that's the only thing I can say.
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F1 Racing: Surely, given their relative position in the championship, Sauber don't have much to learn from Mclaren at the moment any- way… CL: Ah… [He glances in the direction of team PR Mia, who responds in startled fashion to F1R'S cheeky query. Charles giggles, though whether this is at the question or its effect on his colleague is un- clear]
In your company car, have you beaten the best commute times from Monaco to Modena set by Gilles Villeneuve and Jody Scheckter? Phil Darby, UK CL: [Laughs again] Errrrr… no! I'm not so quick on the road. F1R: In your position, you need to be responsible. CL: Definitely.
F1R: Were you aware there was a record each of them tried to break? CL: To get to the grand prix? F1R: To get to the Ferrari factory when Enzo rang up. They'd say, "Okay, be there in five minutes…" CL: [Laughs] For sure, I could never get to the factory that quickly. I'm not really racing on the road.
Is there any circuit you would love to see added to the F1 calendar? Matt Lloyd, UK CL: Laguna Seca. Even though it's very… yeah, I don't think F1 could go there in reality.
F1R: The run-off at the Corkscrew isn't very wide, and there's a cliff on the other side.
CL: Yeah? That would make it more, er, challenging… F1R: According to folklore, the corner is how it is because they were driving the bulldozer along, got to the edge of the drop, and then just turned left. CL: Nice story. But is it true?
What is your biggest fear? Severine Covens, UK
CL: Oh, snakes. F1R: Is it the creepy dryness of the scales, or their rasping forked tongues that creep you out? CL: I don't really know - I'm just not liking these animals. F1R: Have you ever actually encountered a snake? CL: I did, in Australia. Haven't you seen the pictures? I have it all round my neck. [He shudders at the memory] You'll have to ask the Sauber people why they did it…
What was the first car you drove? Kamil Zaotkowski, Poland CL: I really shouldn't say, because I was quite young!
What is your favourite childhood memory with Jules Bianchi? Chloe Hewitt, UK CL: Probably every Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday at his track. [Jules Bianchi's father managed the kart circuit at Brignoles] That and his birthdays in Saint-tropez. All the races we did together in karting. Fun times. F1R: Did you get to go to his party after he finished in the points in the Monaco Grand Prix? CL: No, I was too young, and in Monaco they're quite strict with things like that.
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dailytomlinson · 8 months ago
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Louis Tomlinson says he has stopped comparing his fame to that of the other One Direction musicians
In an interview with g1, the musician comments on career changes, competitiveness in the music industry and the Brazilian remix that transforms his 'Kill My Mind' into funk.
Former member of the British boy band One Direction, Louis Tomlinson will perform three shows in Brazil in May . It will be the third time that the musician performs in the country, an experience that, according to him, is always chaotic — and "in the best possible sense". This is what the singer told g1 , in an interview held at Allianz Parque, where he will play in São Paulo, on May 11th .
The shows are from the "Faith in the Future" tour, in which Louis focuses on his latest album, released in 2022. The setlist also includes songs from the album "Walls" and, of course, hits from One Direction.
A craze among children and teenagers in the 2010s, the pop group was formed from the TV show "The X Factor" and lasted six years, disbanding in 2016. Since then, the musicians have pursued solo careers. A fact that, in Louis' eyes, is inevitably competitive.
“Your only frame of reference is to compare yourself to the other members,” said the Englishman. "You start to think, 'If they're getting it, why am I not getting it?'"
On Spotify, the number of monthly listeners between artists differs greatly. Divorced boy band's most popular star, Harry Styles has around 58.2 million. Next are Zayn Malik (27.3 million), Niall Horan (17.3 million), Liam Payne (5.7 million) and Louis (2.9 million).
But if success metrics like this were once a burden for the musician, today they are no longer, according to him, who also made a point of reiterating that he was always proud of his friends.
FULL INTERVIEW UNDER CUT:
g1 - What is the main difference between Louis Tomlinson from X Factor, in 2010, and Louis Tomlinson today?
Louis Tomlinson - There is a lot of naivety in the boy who appeared on the X Factor. I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. I didn't know how that would land me sitting here. I definitely had no idea what I was getting. I think I feel much more fulfilled. More confident. It took me a while to have enough courage to say: 'I'm creative, I'm a singer, I'm a songwriter'. Now, I'm just internalizing all these feelings. When you grow up in a place like Doncaster, where I grew up, it takes a while to believe all these things. Because you only watched it from afar, on TV or radio. So, when you become one of these people, there is a whole process until you believe and understand everything.
g1 - And what is the biggest similarity?
Louis Tomlinson - Probably my appearance (laughs). Well, I hope my fans don't correct me here. I like to think I've always had a pretty lovely relationship with them. I think that's the only constant thing.
g1 - Do you know any Brazilian singers or bands?
Louis Tomlinson - We were talking about Anitta today. And um... Fresh? Fre? Fresno? I'm learning. I hope [the confusion with the band's name] didn't come off as disrespectful, it wasn't my intention.
Do you have any recommendations for me? I picked up some tips today. What do you have for me?
g1 - There is a Brazilian musician called FP from Trem Bala. He did a remix of 'Kill My Mind'...
Louis Tomlinson - How cool! So far, you have made the best recommendation. Definitely.
g1 - Can I show you?
Louis Tomlinson - Of course!
g1 - What's up? Did you like it? Is there anything you would like to say to FP do Trem Bala?
Louis Tomlinson - Yes, it's a good vibe . Fun. Very fun. Thanks for doing a remix of the song.
g1 - This is your third time in Brazil. What comes to mind when you hear things like 'playing a show in Brazil', 'Brazilian tour', or simply 'Brazilian fans'?
Louis Tomlinson - Chaos. And in the best possible sense. I totally love it.
Live experiences are defined by the most chaotic moments. And coming here and always feeling this energy is as if from the first drum beat, the fans were already there. It's a really triumphant feeling.
g1 - In musical terms, how was the experience of creating 'Faith in the Future' compared to 'Walls'?
Louis Tomlinson - I felt much more fulfilled, confident. I had more understanding of what I wanted to do and how to do it. [On the first album], there was the factor that I left One Direction. It was like my head was a mess and there was so much to think about... I had no clear direction. I needed to go through the experimentation phase to truly understand who I am as an artist. This took time. Throughout my creation of 'Walls', I had that happening, but I was in a clearer, more concise place going into 'Faith in the Future'. And I think that made [the second] record better.
g1 - You recently created 28 Clothing, a fashion brand. What is your relationship with this sector?
Louis Tomlinson - I've always had a very funny relationship with fashion. Without a doubt, I'm interested in clothes, always have been. Since I was young. But there is a level of haute couture that goes far beyond my understanding.
You know, I like to dress well. Branding is something I've always wanted to do. It is also intertwined with one of my [greatest] passions, football. Football and fashion have been connected for as long as a game has been a game. The fashion of the people in the stands and everything... I think it's a very interesting thing and, certainly, a culture that I was already part of when I was younger. So, the brand helps me tell my story.
g1 - You once mentioned that you felt a little uncomfortable and more competitive at the beginning of your solo career. He said he was a little upset because he kept comparing his level of success to the other members of One Direction. Do you still feel this way?
Louis Tomlinson - No, I don't. In truth. But I think anyone — and obviously, there's not going to be many people who can relate to this — but anyone who's been through a similar situation...
Being in a band and going out on your own will always mean that your only frame of reference is comparing yourself to the other members. That's literally all you have.
I think it's a matter of maturity, actually. It took a long time for me to look at it for what it was. Because that's where the petulance begins. You start to think, 'If they're doing it, why can't I do it?'. And that becomes a little toxic. Unfortunately, that's the nature of the music industry. She is naturally competitive. We are all competing for places. But now I see it in a very different way. And like I said, this requires maturity. I also needed to be successful on my own to get through this. To get over it. Now it comes back as a confidence that I feel to be saying these things. Oh, and just to reiterate, because it's important: while I felt competitive, or more competitive than I am today, it wasn't like I wasn't immensely proud of everything the boys were doing. It was more about reflecting on my own situation. Just about thinking, 'Oh, I wish I had some of that.' Now, I feel like I'm in a very, very different place. And it's a more pleasant thing to feel, because being very competitive is not always the most pleasant feeling.
g1 - I imagine you hear questions like this all the time, right? Is it peaceful for you?
Louis Tomlinson - Yes, everything is fine. As I mentioned before, I understand the obvious public interest in One Direction. This is obvious. And you know, I appreciate that these things are interesting. I suppose [they are].
g1 - Lastly, what is your favorite song at the moment and why?
My favorite album is Paolo Nutini's latest. It's great, incredible. He's an incredible vocalist, maybe he's my favorite singer. It is indeed an inspiring album.
And favorite song... I can't remember the name, but it's by The Libertines, a band I've liked since I was young.
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glisten-inthedark · 1 year ago
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I'm Brazilian and therefore I feel obligated to speak on this.
I currently live in São Paulo, and in case you all aren't aware Brazil is a tropical country and its Southeast region is currently going through a heat wave.
While most people in our country are used to hotter temperatures the heat has been getting progressively worse and in Rio temperatures were at 40°C.
Taylor Swift was made aware of said heat a few days prior to her show and while what happened to her fan wasn't her fault, safe guarding measures should've been taking and the show shouldn't have been canceled a few minutes before she was supposed to be on stage.
The heat wave will die down only on the 23rd, so her team's measures won't actually do anything to help.
Brazil is a huge country, some people left their states to see her perform and they weren't given a proper heads up. Thousands were lost on hotels, meals, transportation for people that spent years saying money to watch their favorite artist perform.
I won't jump on the bandwagon ans accuse her of not caring because I realize this is a terrible situation to be in, however her team should've known better.
Someone lost their life before her show. A bright young woman who was just 23 and had her entire life ahead of her died and I pray this serves as a lesson for any artist performing in my country.
I sincerely wish her family my condolences and I can't imagine what they're going through right now.
I also hope Taylor is doing ok, while I'm not her biggest fan I know that what happened must have made her sad. Do I think they should've shown more consideration? Sure
Do I think they should've canceled before? Absolutely
But I'm not about to kick a horse while he's already down and right now adding fuel to the fire won't do any good. So again, I hope Taylor also doing OK- as well as she can be under the circumstances-, and I pray that this serves as a lesson to singers.
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9800sblog · 1 year ago
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i'm going for their concert in a couple weeks now i'm nervous 😭 could you give any tips or anything if possible? i live in a different country obv so it'd be different but if you have some tips to share i'd love to hear them 🙏 also it's my first concert so i'm extra nervous esp when it comes to dealing with other fans..
the biggest problem was the stadium wasn't prepared for the concert, there's a football game today so they were preparing for the game not the show. I was in the disabled area too because I have autism but it was nothing adapted for autism, the staff didn't know shit about it either, they treated me like a child and crazy.
i think the fan behavior is a cultural thing, people from são paulo are so rude, selfish and desensitized,I almost passed out cause I was sick, I was falling and I had to find strength to get up by myself and ask the staff because nobody was looking out.
I don't think your experience would be same as mine, but I would recommend to bring supplements such as protein drinks and water cups to give you strength. wear light clothes but definitely bring heavier ones, wear a hat to protect your head and in case it rains, a mask because there's much smoke and things of sorts so you might get sick. many people had panic attacks, sick on their stomach and hurt feet - wear your comfiest, most protective shoe, protect your stomach area and your hands, eat very healthy and balanced all day, I don't recommend wearing makeup. if you have health issues take your medications properly, bring your documents, medical declarations, emergency phone numbers and the address where you're staying written down. if you have anxiety or something of sorts, bring squish, stim toys, it will help. wear gloves. don't get there too soon, you'll be fine, the view is great wherever. I'd say to watch more than film because there are so many videos online already and all performances are rehearsed to the core, everything they do is preordained, you'll find the same performance on youtube, so try to watch them themselves, instead of the big screen, they're so cool bro. they're really nice people, it's very comforting to watch them. after I got sick, I went back there to see them say goodbye and, when they talk, it's all rehearsed and fanservice, but when they stop the obligations and stand naturally, they are safe, I felt safe for the first time in 4 hours of concert at the end, when I saw mingi closer.
those are my tips, I hope it helps
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lordeasriel · 2 years ago
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And I will add one more rant to the Concert Business™:
Ghost announced yesterday they're coming to Brasil and Argentina (I'm not a fan, my friend is). I searched the venue they'll play and it's like 8k people only. For a single concert in the biggest country in South America.
Now, we're lucky because we live in São Paulo, and most bands play in SP, but goddamn it annoys me so much that they're doing one single concert here and one single concert in Argentina. Low-key drives me mad because it's the pattern. Lollapalooza just happened and the artists there also did the same thing. South American tour, then it's Chile, Argentina and Brasil. Come on, people, do better.
You play in Utah, but not Colombia? Uruguai? *shrieks*
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pickingupmymercedes · 3 months ago
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About the drivers in São Paulo, I don't know how it'll go with all of them but just to kinda correct you in some stuff.
Charles last year attended a few fans who were at the door of some restaurant he was in, also in the airport, it was so packed but he signed and took photos with everyone he could and he looked very tired, but was nice to people, so I don't know this fame about him not acknowledging the fans, he's one of the best in that regard.
What I heard about Ferrari drivers is that they don't attend fans in hotel, but to be honest, I agree with them is not the place, I appreciate Charles for attending in the restaurant, that I also think is wrong.
Also George, he doesn't do much but there were some fans at the entrance of their hotel and he got out of the car in the rain to take photos, so he's good too. Also, there was a group of girls from a project about girls in motorsport sort of stuff and all of them said he was very nice and funny.
About Lance, there's a bit of a situation, some Drugovich fans think he's impending Drugo to get a chance in F1, so there's some tension, the tv commentators even kinda trash Lance during the races, is truly disrespectful and unprofessional, last year he even got booed by some dumb people that kept screaming Drugo at him, so he might not be too keen to be part of it.
But seriously, I don't blame the ones that travel back just after the race, is the end of a triple header, they must be knackered and just wanting their own bed, F1 team doesn't know how to plan that calendar, we'll have a month break in sep-oct but two triple headers after.
Anyway, with the rest I agree, if Max participates it'll be a very awkward situation. But finally some action for São Paulo GP, it never had events on or off track and is one of the biggest fanbases of F1 that truly likes the sport for what it really is: a sport, not like US, for example.
Ah, in my last ask I forgot to mention Alonso, well he's only well liked by the old ones, Lewis fans, the majority in Brasil, don't like him, also last year he commented about the track not being F1 level because there were some screws in it, apparently,but doesn't complain about Las Vegas having uncovered manholes, for example. You know how we brazilians are, so some people are very annoyed with him, so idk how that might go.
Hii, so I'll start with YES! finally SPGP is getting events that are f1 related off track. It was due. And brazilians have been ongoingly getting the gp decently full through the last 20/30 years?! It still baffles me that newer circuits get so much more hype and attention?! (Maybe it's my bias showing)
As for the drivers, see I have a bit of a different view on that because I experienced f1 in the 2010's as well, before the last big boom, and also because f1 is not the only motorsports category I follow/have attended races.
I completely agree with there being boundaries (specially at hotels - and the likes of people booking rooms just to get access to the drivers?!).
But the 'fame' of drivers being in and out and not paying much attention is not only from last year, or from when Interlagos fell as the last race to a triple header. (Btw stopping to say hi or taking photos with fans that paid to get into the paddock is not what I was referring to)
Again, maybe I'm being biased because I actually got to meet Seb, Kimi, Alonso and Lewis outside the track, on normal settings (not waiting for them at restaurants/hotels). And some older family friends have met Niki/Hill/Raikkonen at bars in São Paulo and Schumacher running in Ibirapuera (Lewis used to run there as well in the 2010's).
And I know the profile of the average f1 fan has changed, a lot, and that includes how fans and drivers interact, but from people I know that have attended the races in the past years, there seems to be a common feeling of f1 personal not being as open to the fans in Brazil as they are in other places (bit of a change to how it was in the past).
Now, as for Drugovich, I really thought it was a given that people knew he never had a chance at that Aston seat?! Specially with all the investments into the team for their future years. Like, Lance has absolutely nothing to do with him not getting a seat in f1. (also, if there's ever a chance for Brazil to get another driver in f1 it'll be with Bortoleto).
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creamcoffeelou · 3 years ago
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Hi, could you please share your Rio experience? Were people really camping out for months? Did brazil fans recognize you? What spot on the show were you at? What were the differencies compared to US leg? Did you get a chance to visit the beach? Thank you!
Hiii sure!! We just left the show!
Excellent show! I am so happy I got to hear changes live for the first time I'm 🥹🥹🥹🥹 I was bummed he had to stop the show especially for so long, but he kept going on and it didn't seem to bother him. I was about row 10-ish? For the first half of the show. Then I left and went to party in the back!
The biggest difference pit wise was that the pit was packed tight the ENTIRE time we were on the floor. There wasn't just one big push right when louis came on, it was just a continuous extremely tight push from 5:30pm to the end of the show.
I wouldn't say the fans themselves are louder than US fans, but the arena was very large so it was definitely loud. There were more chants in the middle of the songs/set and everyone did a lot of "woo! Woo! Woo!" When they didn't know the words or during instrumentals. I thought it was fun!!
I heard that people weren't actually camping out but were instead paying others between 70-150 Brazilian reis (~$15-20 usd) per month to camp there full time for them 😵‍💫
Four people came up to me and asked for pictures lol, being an "influencer" is really weird but I always tell people yes because idk.
I'm here in Brazil for 3 more weeks so I definitely will be visiting the beach!!! I love it here 🥹
I'm currently hanging out with my friends and we're going to be driving down to São Paulo tomorrow for the next two shows!
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ok I'm literally fanboying over Inaiê Furukawa bc as a Japanese Brazilian i barely see myself on media (I mean I love Malhação's Tina but what about asian brazilian BOYS who aren't stereotyped) and I can't buy S4 to make sims like me so I'm their biggest fan now ok, lol ok bye i feel shy idk how to compliment emçlfçfirjvinqeç
Aaaaaa that's so nice, I'm so happy you like them! And don't be shy, you're so sweet ;_;
It makes no sense that we have so little japanese/east asian representation in media considering we have SO MANY Japanese & Japanese descendents in Brazil. Especially in São Paulo!
But yeah I really like Ina, too. They are much more like real people I know. I like their androgynous style, their "edginess", how they are into tattoos and other body modifications, how they are a bumpkin etc. And it makes me real happy that you like them too and you were able to see yourself in them 🥺
I should make more posts with the whole gang, I've been missing them! If I had time to dedicate myself to it, I would love to make a story with them...
Thank you for being so sweet, your excitement makes my heart full ❤
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Given the fact that you're an actual brazilian lol I gotta ask: Did anyone believe two years ago that someone like Bolsonaro could win? Because I'm not an expert in brazilian politics but I'm really shocked, like we have a right wing president but he is like... a normal right wing asshole? As in he doesn't defend torture and so on. I guess I'm scared bc I see our countries as quite similar, I think Brasil is a little more conservative and you guys have more issues with crime but still similar.
This is really, really big, but I wanted to give you the full picture of what happened in my country. I hope it doesn’t happen on yours or any other country from Latin America (or anywhere, no one deserves it).
Honestly… it depends who you ask. His fans/electors have been yelling that Bolsonaro would be president for the good part of two, three years, but big part of the population didn’t take him seriously because he honestly sounds like a caricature. It’s hard to believe a person can be like this, and therefore people did not take him serious.
Big mistake, that was.
To give you a little context: during most of our democratic history (that isn’t very long), Brazil was ruled by right wing parties. We have several political parties in here, but the biggest one from the right wing side was PSDB (Partido da Social Democracia Brasileira). The biggest political party on the left wing side is PT (Partido dos Trabalhadores).
Brazil was a military dictatorship from 1964 to 1985. This was a horrible, bloody piece of our history, and we only started to have a democratic state after 1985. During the years that followed, in most of the elections the main dispute was between PT and PSDB, PT always losing until 2002, when Lula aka Luís Inácio Lula da Silva won for elections.
Lula ruled from 2002 to 2010; a presidential term on Brazil lasts for four years, but we have reelections and Lula won a second term in 2006.
His time as a president was marked for several things. There was several social projects for poor people, projects to fight famine, to give finantial help to people who received too low income, projects to help poor people get into universities. They were not perfect projects by any means but I can assure you that it made a HUGE difference for millions of people in this country.
Another thing that marked Lula’s time as a president was the corruption scandals.
You see, it’s not that Brazil didn’t have corruption before, because corruption is in this country’s bones. But it was during Lula’s time as a president that we came to know how big the proportions of this corruption was. This was called the ‘mensalão’; Lula claimed that he did not know about it (which I doubt very much), but people from all political parties were implicated, including from PT.
Lula was still very popular and loved by many people, but this was the first seeds of the so called anti-petismo, that would take much bigger proportions later.
After Lula, we had Dilma Rousseff, also from PT, supported by Lula; her first term was from 2010 and 2014.
Dilma had little experience for this charge, and her time as president showed it. Her term was very mediocre, and popular insatisfaction began to rise, especially because of the World Cup that happened here on 2014 - a LOT of money was spent on it, and often the planning was really bad.
More popular insatisfaction rising; the elites were never happy to have a left wing party on power, but now middle class people started to being deluded that they were elite and anti-petismo started to get bigger. Dilma still won reelections in 2014, but it was a close call with her oponent.
Now we have a very divided country. And during the World Cup there was plenty of jobs everywhere, but after it there was a huge wave of unemployment all over the nation, the economy was a shambles. Even MORE popular insatisfaction. Things getting ugly and uglier by minute.
I won’t give you all details because this is already getting ridiculous long and it is a very long story, but Dilma suffered an impeachment. She was not very competent, but that was bullshit and clearly a coup, because we have recorded audios of the right wing opposition plotting to get her out so they could put in power her vice, Michel Temer, a right wing politic.
So now that’s still our president, Michel Temer. Just two years on power, but boy, the man did so much of damage all around, and no one, not people sympathetic to the left nor people sympathetic to the right like the man.
More popular insatisfaction, all around now. No one is happy in this country; everyone wants a change.
Now, take Bolsonaro, this dumb piece of shit we just elected. The man have been a congressist for 27 years. In this time he aproved like, two projects. In several opportunities he voted against the rights of poor people. You may remember the video of him talking with Ellen Page or Stephen Fry and how horrible that was. No one would want a horrible AND incompetent man like that as a president, right?
Right?
Well. Brazil have a wide variation of people in our nation and most people have black relatives, but we’re still a very racist, misogynistic, homophobic country. This people started to enjoy Bolsonaro’s speeches because they identify with him. Their mentality was something like… we need to stop the corruption in this country, and Bolsonaro will do it! Never mind he says that gay people should be beaten. That his white son would never marry a black woman because he received good education. That police should straight up invade favelas and kill poor people. That he said to a woman that the only reason he wouldn’t rape her was because she was not worth raping. They don’t care if women and queer people, and black and poor people get hurt or killed in this process; our lives are a small price to pay for them.
Now I do believe that even if this planet is loaded with horrible awful people, there’s still more good than bad. There’s still more good people than not, and how could good people vote for this man?
The means they used to get these votes was mass manipulation. Very similar tactics that Trump used in this campaign; dozen, hundreds of fake news all around. While in US they used mainly Facebook for this means, in Brazil they used an app called WhatsApp, because not everyone has facebook on Brazil but everyone has a cellphone and uses this app for easy communication.
In these groups they exalted that Bolsonaro would end corruption, would be a ‘correct christian man’, would stop the ‘LGBT doutrination of children on schools’. He would save this country. Mito (mith) is how his fans call him, or Messias (his middle name), and they absoluted demonized the opposition.
Now Bolsonaro is extreme right wing; the centrists and the normal right wing assholes are another story. PSDB tried to launch a candidate with no sucess, and PT was planning to launch Lula again as a candidate… but Lula was arrested in april (another bullshit). If he was not, he might have won; at least all the surveys showed Lula was more popular than even Bolsonaro. Because of that, PT tried to launch Lula as candidate even from inside prison, and of course, it didn’t work out, so there was a huge delay in PT choosing a candidate.
Eventually, Fernando Haddad was chosen. He’s a professor, a good man; was mayor of São Paulo. Was a ministry in Lula’s term, helped to create several education projects. But he was also not very known - I didn’t even know him until like four months ago.
The fact that he was not very well known helped a lot the pro-Bolsonaro groups to demonize the man and his vice. Many fake news were made up about him, stuff like him trying to legalize paedophilia, that he he was going to give a ‘gay kit’ for kids in school and therefore incentive the erotization of children, that he was a rapist. That he was against traditional family, but Bolsonaro would save the Brazilian Family. All of this being spread in those WhatsApp groups with little to no fiscalization, being spread out by hateful people and by people who don’t have a good grasp in politics and believe everything they read.
There was also a great demonization of PT as a party - oh no, you can’t let PT back on power again, right? PT is corrupt! They stole us! Don’t you remember mensalão? They DESTROYED the country, they’re gonna do it AGAIN, they BROKE this country and tore it apart (anyone would thing we lived in some sort of paradise before), PT is gonna transform this country in a COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP we’re gonna be the next Venezuela.
(I kid you not. I heard this last part from my father’s mouth last time I saw him. People really believed this)
Nevermind that PT was on power for 14 years and we didn’t become communists and if anything they appllied a more centrist line of ruling the leftist; we can’t let PT win. Bolsonaro will save this country.
Now another thing you need to understand is that Bolsonaro is DUMB. He’s dumb as fuck. In the first part of the elections he showed up to a few presidential debates and said horrible things like “Portugueses (our collonizers) never even set foot on Africa, Black people slavered themselves” that caused some popular outtrage. For that reason, in the second part of the elections he didn’t showed up in any debate, least he opened his mouth and people realize the kind of person they were trying to elect to represent them. Bolsonaro also suffered an attack in September (was stabbed in the belly), which helped to incentivate his popularity (after all, the man is a martyr now).
These were the main ingredients that elected Bolsonaro. Anti-petismo, misguided and ignorant people being led on in a flood of fake news, fascists that knew exactly who they were electing, a refusal to hear good arguments, since his supporters think that every piece of evidence we have of Bolsonaro being a piece of garbage was edited or taken out of context (it was not).
They also had a little help from their American friends; in this picture you can see Eduardo Bolsonaro (the son of the piece of shit, also a piece of shit himself) cozying up with Steve Bannon, the white supremacist from Trump’s presidential campaign, and give yesterday’s results, his tips sure seem to have worked here too.
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Edit: this article can also help you to understand a little the reasons of why he won:
Bolsonaro business backers accused of illegal Whatsapp fake news campaign
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