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do you now know what first lap incidents are or are you just dense because you don't like daniel? because with sai and mag those were first lap incidents where he did take responsibility and apologized. not to mention daniel has had little incidents on his 10+ long career so this revisionism is crazy. it would be like saying lewis is a dirty driver for silverstone 21.
about the yuki incident, he was penalized, he served his penalty during the race and there was enough time to get a good result in the race. same way lewis was penalized at silverstone, served his penalty and then there was good enough time to get a good result in the race. they're incidents, they happen. it's not an agenda.
I think it's so bold saying you hope daniel gets his karma as if last year wasn't enough and everyone who reported on him said it was bad. like I get it if you dint like daniel but this is asshole behavior.
not to mention "he should have confiere considered nyck's feelings when taking the seat"??
same way oscar considered daniel's? nah fuck outta here with that. not to mention helmut explicitly mentioned the writing was on the wall already and he said that if daniel didn't have the pace on the tyre test, they would have gone for another driver. or would it be okay if another driver took the seat? it's a sport.
Guess what guys I got another long post incoming. With screenshots too because maybe I am not being clear about my perspective on the situation 🥳🥳🥳
I addressed the 10 second penalty in the tags of the post. I don't think I'm tweaking but ruining 2 people's races in back to back weekends when you're already getting released from your contract ain't a good look.
Don't bring Lewis into this because it ain't about him. I know you're making the comparison because Lewis is my favorite driver in order for me to ~empathize~ but I never said anyone was a dirty driver. You're putting words in my mouth 🤷♀️. The Mexican GP thing was to put things into perspective as to how people react in situations involving him. The general consensus for that race was "the race was boring, and Daniel was the only person who did anything notable, but he took out a driver, but causing someone to dnf is fine because we saw some of the old Daniel". Of course Yuki fans won't forget this incident 😭. Not a lot of people were sad for Yuki that weekend even though he was close to the points (y'all saw the AlphaTauri last season it was not good). If someone was celebrated for ruining my chances at succeeding I'd have a chip on my shoulder.
I think Daniel at his prime was world champion material, but the reliability issues he had during his first stint at RedBull ruined all of that. Maybe my feelings about this are wrong as I was not a f1 fan in like 2016, and I'm sure someone will correct me in my inbox.
So I said this because I believe it's alright to have these expectations for him. ~12 years vs ~3 years, the more experienced veteran generally performs better. If he believes himself then he should be just fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine. I only share my opinions on platforms where I know the driver won't see it for a good reason.
I really do sound like a broken record. So my main problem is a driver with ~12 years in f1 replacing a rookie on a team that's meant for development and getting used to F1. You can't expect a rookie to produce good results if you give him a car where the brakes don't even work properly. And my annoyance is exacerbated by F1 media still pretending Nyck didn't exist. Like has any official F1 account posted about Nyck since this went down a few days ago? I don't think so. That is what's getting on my nerves.
I don't think I need to go over the differences between the Oscar situation and Daniel's. If you can't figure it out by now I doubt me explaining would change much 🤷♀️.
I literally can't envision a situation where they would replace a rookie with another rookie in the middle of a season. Would I be just as annoyed if this were to have happened? Most likely yes? I need this to actually happen in this era of F1 to form an opinion.
TLDR: I know why Daniel was put in AlphaTauri but I don't agree with the way it happened. Would I be upset with a rookie replacing a rookie in the middle of the season? Probably.
#f1#formula 1#daniel ricciardo#nyck de vries#yuki tsunoda#i didn't say a lot of things you're accusing me of saying tho so let's not do that
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The Housemaid by Freida McFadden
[audiobook, listened in finnish]
a young woman is fresh out of prison, lives in her car and is in desperate need of a job. to her surprise, she's hired to be the housemaid and babysitter of a wealthy family of a millionaire husband and his gorgeous wife. she moves into their house and is given a mildly claustrophobic room in the attic that can only be locked from the outside. very quickly the mother of the family turns out to be a gaslighting psychopath and the newly hired maid ends up having an affair with the handsome husband.
➕ here's a book that's really not very good, but. how do i even explain this. there was something charming about it anyway, something comfortable in the use of tropes and shit? i don't know. there's a lot of classic victorian suspense story elements here. a suspicious rich family, a big house with secrets in the attic, a strange little girl in frilly dresses, a (seemingly) damsel-in-distress type of protagonist who goes through all sorts of hardships. a secretive but handsome gardener. to me all these tropes are positive
➕ the concept of this little room that can be locked from outside immediately has you intrigued like oooo wonder what happens there. i guess that was a little exciting early on and got me a bit hooked.
➕ this is silly but i actually really liked the ending of this book. it wasn't perfect buuut it was very satisfying regardless. i had to go take an unplanned walk just because i wanted to do nothing but focus on listening to the climax. i guess the net positive from the likeable ending was just that much more considering that…
➖ …the first half is so insufferable that i was really close to dropping this for a bit. the entire plot is so so so so predictable. like i can't express just how predictable this book is. it got better from the half way point when it moved to nina's perspective, but my god millie is a dumb shit up to that point. the entire plot would just not have happened if any of these bitches knew how to keep records and take evidence of what happens to them. this takes place in modern time, they have fuckign cellphones. and not. a single. attempt. at recording, screenshotting, taking photos of things for evidence. really? and although i liked the finale i also don't understand why [spoiler] millie didn't just fucking. lock the guy in the room and leave. just leave. leave him there to die just go, if there won't even be any kind of "so have you reflected on your own behaviour at all now" exchange then why drag it on, just fuckng leavJKGNsdjgvbjsdfgbjkdfgldfhngjkdfnjkgdj. though honestly as predictable as this was, i didn't see the perspective change half way through. i knew that the husband would be the bad guy all along but didn't expect that nina had also just been pretending. this only made her character less believable though. really hard to suddenly think of her as a likeable woman when she's been absolutely horrible to another person ON purpose the whole time
➖ the writing itself is fucking infantile, i'm sorry freida whoever you are but it's like a 15-year-old's first attempt at writing a story. sooo much pointless exposition and things are repeated SO many times when they've already explicitly happened and made clear and obvious and understood, my god it's not necessary to repeat the same things over and over, i thought i was gonna have a stroke. the tone is almost misogynistic (at least before the end), the men are conveniently perfect hunks and the protag's first thought at seeing them is wanting to have sex with them? like really now. i know she [spoiler] turned out to be one shady bitch herself but still. i guess it kinda fits that she acts like a horny teenager when she's been in jail since she was 17 but it annoyed me anyway
⭐ score: 3+ -- the first half was a 2, the second a 4, we land at a strong three. apparently there's a sequel? i bet it's horseshit
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I understand where you’re coming from, and when it comes down to the bare bones, I agree: the Gods can’t be defined by human labels. Gods are Gods, not people. They don’t have sexualities, or not in a way that we as human can comprehend, at least - even less in a way that fits neatly into our modern labels. Artemis is not “aroace”, or “lesbian”, or “bisexual”, or “straight”, or any other sexual or romantic identity. She is the Potnia Theron, Lady of what is by definition outside the constructs of our society, and greater than anything our mortal tongues could possibly put into words.
She is also open to be worshipped by anyone. All of the Gods are. There is a common fallacy, in the Hellenic polytheistic community (and in the Pagan community as a whole), that a person can only worship deities who resemble them. This is not only obviously wrong (in Artemis’ case, one need only to look to Hippolytos; see also Xenophon, a presumably straight man who dedicated a temple to her), it also makes no sense. What a strange place Ancient Greece would have been if only kings could worship Zeus! If only musicians and doctors could worship Apollon! If only farmers could worship Demeter! And who would worship Hades - the Dead?
Interestingly, I see this fallacy applied most often to gender and sexuality. I have never heard anyone claim only hunters can worship Artemis, but I have had to reassure an anon that Artemis will still accept her now that she’s sexually active. I think this is, in part, where the belief that applying certain orientations to deities is restrictive comes from - because if you believe people can only worship deities like them, then viewing a deity as part of X group means that only X group can worship them. I’ll say it again: this is historically inaccurate to Hellenic polytheism, unsustainable considering the many facets of the Gods and the impossibility to fit them into modern categories, and needlessly exclusive. If you relate to Artemis - and even if you don’t - you can worship her, full stop.
But I also think this excessive focus on gender and sexuality as restrictive highlights a trend that can be seen in society at large. Often, whenever a person, character, or in this case a deity is presented as non-straight, many (usually straight) people will denounce it as unnecessary, even graphic information. Queer-coded relationships are played off as “open to interpretation”, and explicit interpretation of them as queer is “pushing an agenda”. Having a non-straight orientation (or not being cisgender) becomes a limitation on what someone could be, and by extension, on how others can relate to them - as if it isn’t simply another experience one can have of life, just like having brown eyes or being left-handed.
The fact is that everything we represent the Gods as is limiting. Every single word we use to express divinity is reducing it to something we understand and are comfortable with. We have no choice but to do this, because the wholeness of a God’s being kills mortals (see: Semele). Depicting the Gods as human is limiting them. Using gendered pronouns is limiting them. Calling them by Greek names is limiting them. All of those are traditions meant to help us relate to non-human beings, but somehow, it’s the projection of queer identities onto them that is singled out as restrictive.
Again, I’m not saying Artemis is any specific non-straight orientation. None of us know that, nor if it’s even possible for her to have an orientation. What I’m saying is that she was described in certain terms by the Ancient Greeks, along with all her other characteristics, and those terms fit within the definition of what modern people call “aromantic asexual” (or, according to others, “lesbian” - like I previously stated, one being attested does not exclude the other). As an aroace myself, there is no reason why this cannot be one reason I relate to her. She is freedom, yes, and that means many things to many people; one of those, to me, is the freedom to be myself and to prefer the wilderness over someone’s embrace. I love the Potnia Theron, with all this heart of mine that has been called loveless, because she reminds me that who I am is sacred. She has done the same for others, in many different ways, none of which are worth any less, none of which restrict her worship to those who share them, none of which restrict her at all, because it is through the multitudes of human echoes that we find in her that we can glimpse her true greatness.
#bottom line: someone saying they relate to a deity based on a specific experience that they recognise in how that deity is depicted#and someone saying that a deity IS a thing and others MUST agree#and someone saying ONLY people who are that thing can worship that deity#are not the same thing#also in case it wasn't clear - this is meant in a friendly tone#i'm not annoyed with the screenshotted person i'm just explaining my perspective#artemis*#hellenic polytheism#Hellenismos
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Bear with both me and this post please, as I know there's a lot of discourse posts going around and it may be annoying to see yet another one. However, as it's still a topic in circulation I'd like to add something as someone who directly reached out and talked on more than one occasion with the main person on the other side of all this.
On the IG side of things the main person speaking has been livvysonden, so I reached out to her as someone really active on the tumblr side of things to try and figure out where we were both coming from and find some common ground. We've spoken both in comments and DMs about the matter
From what I've seen, both sides of the fandom have been assessing and critiquing each other based purely on posts they saw, so please allow me to explain to the best of my abilities the perspective of each side and the conclusion livvysonden and I both came to throughout our conversation. I'm addressing this with both the tumblr and instagram fandom in mind because she said she may share this post with the ig fandom later.
I'm putting everything else under a cut for space because it's long, but hopefully this helps brings clarity to both sides of the argument and can be used for a more peaceful resolution than what we're currently at.
Livvysonden's introduction (and subsequently the ig fandom as a whole) to this situation was as an older fan seeing a young fan expressing discomfort over sexual content. They had no more context than that. That was literally it, which we know to be not the whole story, but they didn't. The tumblr fandom knows that we had no intention to see Fintan sexually and no desire to make anyone uncomfortable, but there's was no way for them to know that. Of course the natural response to that is to support this young fan and come to their defense. I'd do the same in that situation. On top of that, the IG fandom tends to run a little younger than the tumblr fandom from what we can tell. There are fans as young as 10 who ignore the rules of using IG, so that was the perspective she approached with. An older fan seeing an uncomfortable younger fan and wanting to help.
It was also possibly made worse by a history of other discourses on the IG fandom that people were relating it to. There was mention of adult/minor ships and something to do with Lady Gisela; those are things completely disconnected from Tumblr's experience and wouldn't factor in at all to how we understand the IG fandom's perspective because we had no knowledge of it. We once had one person join the fandom and mention an adult/minor ship who was immediately confronted and left, and we hardly talk about Gisela, so in terms of discourse history both sides approached it differently.
From the tumblr perspective, everything stemmed from one off-handedly mentioned idea. That idea didn't even have anything to do with stripping, it was about an outfit idea because we realized there's no official description of the Neverseen uniform and figured we could make it something silly like a leotard and neon leg warmers. Another article of clothing given was stripper heels, stripper being used to describe the style and height of heels they could be wearing. That's where the "stripper Fintan" name came from, using that term to refer to the outfit as a whole because it stands out. We could've just as easily called it leotard Fintan, but stripper is apparently what stuck.
This recently was brought up again and turned into drawings of Fintan in the outfit. Let me be clear: there have been no nude drawings. There isn't a bare butt drawing of Fintan or anything naked. He has always been clothed in these drawings, and all the other experiences people have had with accidental smut encounters are entirely unconnected to the leotard uniform joke.
Someone brought it up in the kotlc.confessions ig account where this all started and people started questioning the tumblr fandom. Screenshots of the confessions, comments, and stories have been circulating on tumblr.
The tumblr fandom's response to this was to say we'd done nothing wrong, everything was a joke, and that the character (an ancient elf from a fictional story) couldn't be harmed, referring to the IG fandom as purist, prude, and incapable of letting people have fun. Several memes were made alongside frustrated posts. I'm sure many of us have seen them on here, and several people have brought up good points.
However the jokes and responses, while not our intention, were interpreted as us saying "we don't care that you're uncomfortable and even think it's funny." Hearing that, we as the Tumblr fandom know we don't find it funny when people are uncomfortable, but none of that was coming across in the response. Livvysonden was talking to many people and seeing what people shared with her, which was mostly people rebuking the IG fandom. There's such a strange almost rivalry between the two sites, and from what I saw it seemed like no one was actually talking to each other and instead just brushing each other off with no deeper meaning or understanding.
I think I speak for the entire tumblr fandom when I say we don't want anyone to be uncomfortable; we're here to have fun and connect over a book series we've all grown attached to. If someone is uncomfortable, it brings us no joy. However, no one else's online experience is our responsibility. Tumblr is a website where you are directly responsible for what and who you follow and block. IG has an algorithm and statistics and shadowbanning and all that. Tumblr doesn't. If you don't want to see or interact with something, that comes down to you. If you don't want to see something, it is up to you to block the tags or people you need to; it's not something anyone takes offense to here! We encourage you to do so actually so that everyone can have fun.
This does require some action from us like ensuring we're actually using tags people can block to avoid the content. We each have our part to make tumblr work how it's supposed to. We've been doing our part and including key words and tags in the posts we make so they can be blocked if wanted. Saying we're not thinking about the people who can see what we post wouldn't be accurate; we've done exactly what is appropriate for the site we're on and the culture of Tumblr. And if people aren't tagging something you think we should be, that's the part where you have to let us know!
We can't help or address anything if none of us knows something is making you uncomfortable! I know there are several people in the tumblr fandom who can seem intimidating, but one of the big functions of this site is that you can send us anonymous messages. I personally always have my inbox open to anonymous messages, so if people who have been making memes and jokes about the situation seem more intimidating to talk to, please feel free to come to me instead and I can speak on your behalf, same as livvysonden is doing on the IG side of things.
This also applies to if you have any issues with anything I've said or done; I'm not claiming to be completely innocent. Please, if something I've said or done makes you uncomfortable or you don't like it, let me know or have someone reach out on your behalf to let me know. I have the anonymous function on on my askbox. As long as you do so respectfully, I am entirely open to reassessing my behavior and correcting if needed.
I do sincerely apologize if we have done anything in the past that has made you feel like you cannot reach out or talk to us. We all want everyone to have a good time here and knowing people may have been too uncomfortable to speak is awful. However, please don't place us with that blame if you have not reached out. We can't read your minds, as cool as it would be, so we need to communicate and work collaboratively to make fandom fun for everyone.
To summarize this all, I think there was a huge miscommunication in the introduction to all of this and it spiraled entirely out of control because of it. The IG fandom doesn't want fans to be exposed to things they don't want to be and wants people to feel safe talking when they're uncomfortable, and that's fair. We want that too! The tumblr fandom wants to make jokes with each other about the chaotic ideas we sometimes have, which sometimes are more mature in nature because we're people. As long as we accommodate to make sure those who don't want to see that have a way to avoid it (which there is) that's fine! There's no need to turn it into a huge thing
I asked Livvysonden if there was anything she wanted me to specifically communicate to the tumblr fandom, and she said she just wanted to mention that there may be tumblr users (from before this all started) that were too uncomfortable to say anything, and that that may be something we should keep in mind going forward. Which I think is entirely fair.
We both want this to come to a peaceful resolution, so hopefully some of this can help with all that. I know that was a lot of text but I'm notorious for being verbose, so if you made it this far thank you for taking it all into consideration. I don't want to have a tumblr vs instagram conclusion to all this if I can help it.
I hope this clarifies things going forward and that everyone has a good day/weekend!
#kotlc#keeper of the lost cities#kotlc discourse#i know we like to make jokes and memes. but I do ask you set aside your 'the ig fandom sucks!' preconceptions before proceeding#because as much as there's drama between everyone both sides bring up valid points of discussion#so please don't dismiss that without proper consideration
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In The Case Of Shipping. Queer Ships and Straight Ships
A topic I will never shut up about. Before I start I will admit, I am on the queer side of fandom a lot more often than I am on the straight side and I will be speaking from that perspective. If you have another perspective to share with me, please do so respectfully.
Shipping will always be something that gray to me. I like shipping culture and enjoy certain communities around certain ships, but people getting way too defensive about it will always be something to drags me emotionally. It makes me sad especially when it's people who are like me. Fellow queer shippers trying to explain why certain things between two characters can be seen as queer coding and then being called delusional by people who are either willfully ignorant or simply don't understand the point of queer coding. That's not to say queer shippers are without fault, however. We do have a really terrible tendency of calling people who don't like our ship homophobic and ignoring characters from other media that ARE actually written to be queer, in favor of continuing to argue that there are next to no queer characters in the content they like. While they are scarce they are not non-existent. Not to mention, a decent amount of character portrayals do tend to be very extremely sexual and can be found in places that they do not belong.
That being said straight shippers aren't without their faults either. For starters, I don't really see this being brought up, but they also like to portray characters in very sexual ways as well. Particularly, male characters, with a popular means of sexualization being centered around predatorial behavior towards one of the female characters, or being a C H A D. Again, I personally don't have a particular issue with this, but just like queer sexual content, it does not belong where anyone can see it. Straight shippers also have a bad habit of calling queer shippers p*dos and perverts, even for the most inoffensive gay fan content imaginable.
With so much tension heating up between two groups, any interaction can come off as an attack even if that wasn't the intention. We queer shippers tend to get sensitive when someone has the opinion that our ship isn't real. Now sometimes we are justified in getting annoyed with these people as some of them will go out of their way to find joke posts and innocent fan art of a same-sex ship and pull that line, even though that wasn't really the point of the original post. However, even in people's own spaces when they aren't going out of their way to attack us, we still get offended. What gives? So let's take a tweet that's similar to what I'm describing:
(obviously, this is a fake image, I'm just using it to get my point across)
Now on its own, there's nothing wrong with this tweet. In general, there's nothing with this tweet. It's just showing frustration with people making every relationship a romance even if two characters only interacted for a few minutes. That's true. Shippers do enjoy pairing two people together, particularly men, who don't really interact with each other. Here's the thing though. This is an argument that's very popular and one that's been used by some not-so-well-meaning people.
Alright, it's sad people hours now, sorry sis. So for a good amount of queer people who are online or are big fans of fiction, fandom has been a big part of their lives. Shipping, in particular, holds a special place in many queer fans' hearts as, even though it's pathetic, ships were a lot of people's first exposure to genuinely queer content focused around queer characters. It would be through this shipping that a lot of people would find friends who were into the same media and fan content. Some of these people would grow up together and eventually find out that the other was queer. Some of these people would go on to have romantic relationships with each other, and because they meant because of a ship, would go on to continuously celebrate it as if it were real because part of the reason their romance is real is because of that ship. Sometimes people will hold certain ships dear to their heart because they were able to use them to not only find other people like them but explore their own sexual and romantic orientation via fan fiction and fan art.
The attachment to fictional, non-canon relationships would be met with consequences, however. A lot of people would become TOO immersed in their ship and would start to get into debates with straight shippers. Many of which were, unfortunately, homophobic or queerphobic in some way. A lot of the arguments these people would use were a lot of the arguments used today. "Said ship isn't real, you're delusional", "That wasn't the writer's intention", "Stop forcing your ship onto other people", "Two people can't be friends anymore".
It's when you look at it through this lens:
That the fake tweet above starts to look like it was trying to say something a bit different:
Now is this what the tweet is actually saying? Probably not. TityMaster69 might be someone who has faced harrasment from shippers innocently trying to vent out their feelings, but because many people with malicous intentions have said the exact same things and used it as an excuse to speak ill of queer people in fandom, it FEELS a lot more mean-spirited than it might actually be. To add to that, many malicious people have used the reactions of queer shippers as a means of giving a pass to genuine queerphobia inside fandom outside of shipping:
The screenshot ARE real this time and in are relation to this btw:
https://twitter.com/samelCamelCase/status/1382846776806412290
Now to be fair StarVolt358 did apologize to the person who retweeted the post, but the fact that they even brought it up at such an inappropriate time does still prove my point because, in a way, they did bring it up to draw less attention to the queerphobia in the KH fandom.
Stuff like this has led to queer shippers being berated and attacked by straight shippers in the community, even though in some cases they can do more damage than the people they're calling out. Let's not forget when Reylo fans doxxed and harrassed the actors because they didn't like whatever happened in the Rise of Skywalker, or when Sokai fans harrassed the voice actor SpuukyLIVE on Twitter for joking that the scene in kh2 when Sora sees Riku again was gay.
As I do not have a lot of energy, there are a lot of nuances I've missed, like many people who like queer m/m ships being straight teen girls and not actual queer people or queer people who like straight ships. This was, however, just a post to get my full thots out there. I'll shut up now.
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