#i’ve decided i Will be tagging it with misinfo

[apollos-boyfriend]

(feel free to answer privately if you dont want to ruin the fun but) the misinfo the brazilian fans have been spreading is killing me the tramp stamp one is so funny i love when people lie and people cant fact check bc of language differences 😭 iirc gabi being cellbit's twin sister is also a lie? but anyway i find it all hilarious

hopefully answering this at 4 am will keep it slightly hidden but yes <3333 u all know how much i love a good misinformation campaign. you all know i’ve joined the war on misinformation on the side of misinformation before. and by god i WILL do it again

(he and gabi are actually cousins btw! the twin part is just a joke tho yeah ^_^)

[ablednt]

Hello I was wondering if you had any non ableist sources for learning about DID? I want to learn but a lot of what I find on Google feels very...dismissive and harmful

Sorry for answering so late but yes I have a few!

One good YouTube resource is the Alexandrite system, they have DID and make educational videos.

Also it's more a community than a resource but I've found #PluralTalk to be a good twitter community, it's mainly inclusive people and they're usually more than happy to answer singlet questions although of course each person can only speak for their own systems and will have some bias but that's ok.

In general my advice for telling if a resource is good or not is the way the information is framed.

For starters if it's making a lot of general claims like "Truama is the cause of DID" (which isn't incorrect, trauma is A very common cause, but if you read the DSM5 it mentions that trauma is correlated with DID but not guaranteed to be the cause every time.) or "systems identify as [X]" (ignores that systems aren't a monolith) then it's either a not well informed resource or is a case of one system thinking they can speak for all of us. (If a system says this is their own experience and isn't speaking for the whole community though it's good!)

Is it made by a singlet or a system? Often singlets even if well intentioned spread misinfo. For example Anthony Padilla made a video about DID that interviewed some DID systems (one of which was later exposed for a lot of gross shit but I don't want to get into that discourse here but that's one reason I don't recommend the video you can dm for more details if you want) but let their bias effect the quality of the video and in my opinion furthered our stigma far more than put a stop to it by only painting us in a mysterious and victimized light and in addition spread some misinformation (one system trying to speak for the whole community but getting some things wrong which then went unchecked and the like.) Basically. You want to find systems who will either speak about their own experiences and not for the whole community or to find a resource that talks about common DID experiences in a factual and general way so as to not make any untrue claims.

Does it focus on the structural theory of dissociation? (The idea that no one is singlet as a child but between the ages of 6 and 10 (if I remember correctly) fuse into one person and that if a child is traumatized in that time they won't fuse) This theory has been put under a lot of scrutiny as it was created by a singlet psychologist who later lost his licence for using this theory to psychologically and even physically abuse the patients he treated for DID. Now, it's not that no system fits into this theory but it's generally not seen as a constant for even DID systems and the theory in its original form is in support of eugenics towards systems because it deduces that we have to become singlet through therapy to become "whole" again. A lot of systems have medical trauma surrounding this theory so as a singlet I would avoid learning about it unless it's from a source that's properly critical about it.

Is the post actually a discourse post? If it's tagged with anything like "sys/course" (without the dash) or has language that seeks to invalidate or fakeclaim any kind of system or system member (stuff like "fictives are delusions, non-human alters are that way because of trauma and aren't actually non-human, pseudomemories are [always/inherently] a cover for trauma that happened to the body" etc.) Posts like these may try to say their informational or infographics but they're inherently biased. These posts are not (or shouldn't be) for singlet consumption because these are all intracommunity discussions, please disregard them if you're singlet. If you need to know something specific about a system experience for the sake of supporting a friend or loved on then it's best to ask them directly as no one system is the same and it's up to them to decide what their experiences are.

Oh also if you want to support plurals as a whole (more than just DID systems but DID systems are very much included and centered here) an official advocacy group is the plural association. It's also important to find mutual aid posts from systems and share them or donate if you have money. A lot of system support comes at ground level.

[shadowfae]

Hey, I know NH personally, IRL. I just want you to know they ARE an occultist, someone who studies the occult as their job, and *do* believe in magic genuinely. They are one of the kindest people I know, who just runs a blog with a character., So while it is in part performance, it is also genuine.

Cool. I don’t appreciate it when I try to help and instead of acknowledging anything I said or ask for clarification, they decided to compare me to a fascist. I didn’t start mocking them until hours after they did that, and I figured being blocked was the end of it.

I dunno about you, but calling someone a fascist is more than reason enough for them to stop giving you any benefit of the doubt. At the time of them calling my community rabid and worse than fascists, the only post I had towards them was answering their question as thoroughly as possible. I had expressed dislike towards them on my own posts before, but if you think simply disliking someone is grounds for getting called a fascist, I don’t think I’d want to be friends.

So here’s the deal: I’ll apologize for not believing a word they said when they apologize for blaming me for threats I did not send and would not condone sending and for calling me a fascist. Because I refuse to apologize to someone who isn’t sorry for calling me that. I’m willing to work in good faith with anyone who gives me that same basic respect. I have proven that time and time again, and I am saying so now: if they apologize for assuming I decided somehow that answering their questions wasn’t good enough and I should also cowardly insult them, then we can have a perfectly normal and civil discussion on what otherkin is and I can clear up the misinfo they’ve run into.

I’m not angry. Annoyed at the hate I’ve gotten (and to make myself clear, I do not blame NH for that, both because it’s foul play and because it’s ridiculous to assume assholes on the internet looking for prey would listen to anyone ever, and I’m not asking for lip service here), and more annoyed that my notifs are unnavigable, but I’m not angry. I don’t expect better of nonotherkin. We’re the internet’s punching bag.

For years at least twice a week someone would post “Hey, block X and Y, there’s gore in the tags again” because someone would post, say, a deer carcass, and tag it otherkin, fictionkin, deerkin, etc etc. They wouldn’t post it in the carnivore tags for those who might want to see it, they’d post it in the deerkin and general otherkin tags specifically to upset people. There’s more mockumentaries of us than there are books we have more than a passing mention in. People shit on us, constantly, for the crime of being weird. Kinnies are a step past that, as I expressed as clearly as I could in my original post.

I asked for NH to listen to me, ask the questions in good faith that they wanted to ask, and I was answered with being called worse than a fascist, rabid, and blocked. From where I’m standing, NH started it, and I don’t see any reason to apologize for threats I had no hand in. I’ll be honest and say I don’t have much sympathy for them, and I’d certainly have more if they hadn’t gone on the offensive immediately, but that is what we call consequences of comparing people to fascists.

If they want an apology, they’ll show the good faith they never gave me in the first place, and I’ll give them the same. Simple as that.

[criticalalexandrite]

Why I’m anti-Lily Orchard for now

Since you guys like to theorize what I meant with my posts and get mad about your theories instead of accepting what I wrote...here’s a further in depth explanation on why I’m now anti-Lily Orchard. At least until she gives me a good reason to reconsider my decision. I wasn't claiming that Lily approves of child torture. I'm saying that her understanding of autism comes from ignorance and is TOO SIMILAR to how Autism Speaks demonizes autistic people (I explained what Autism Speaks was to give Bitterlapis more context on why it’s bad.) But that doesn't mean other autistic people to have to put up with her ignorance. (Especially since for a lot of us her attitude towards autism can be triggering due to personal reasons.) Also it's very possible for someone to be perpetuating ableism while claiming to be against Autism Speaks it happens a lot because we're all raised in an ableist society and fed ableist propaganda since birth. It's not something you can just magically unlearn by going "I'm against Autism Speaks." And tbh I constantly deal with people twisting my words to have some hidden meaning that isn't there. Sometimes I do make mistakes and word things wrong. But what I was trying to say was that Lily still had similar beliefs to Autism Speaks even if she's against it. Cuz she talks about autistic people like we have something that CAN be fixed via therapy like depression caused by trauma. She talks about it like she doesn't realize it's a neurological condition. That means our autism is embedded in our DNA. It can't be erased via any form of therapy. My concern with how Lily talks about what is and isn't good treatment for autistic meltdowns is she doesn't seem to get that. In the meantime she labels us as like inevitable abusers if we don''t get help for our meltdowns ASAP. Which she does by comparing us ALL to someone like Sheldon who's abusive to people due to how he doesn't catch onto social cues..That's why characters like Sheldon are offensive to people like taptrial2 and I Characters like Sheldon try to fit us all into this one concrete definition. The STEM definition of autism. Even though that very definition causes a lot of autistic people to not get medical support. Because every medical clinic that worships that definition thinks that if you're autistic and you don't act like Sheldon that you don't need help. They'll even go so far as to claim you're not actually autistic if you don't act like Sheldon to a T. That's also why Lily insisting that Sheldon is True Autism Rep is so harmful. She claims to be against Autism Speaks but spreads the same kind of false definition of autism of it being a static condition that gets so many of us hurt. Autism is deemed a spectrum by true advocates for a reason..Sorry if it sounds like I'm mad at Bitterlapis or LilyOrchard herself btw I'm just trying to explain my side in why I don't support Lily anymore. Also this is why I tend to take people who stan Lily with a grain of salt. They're always going to stan her no matter how much harmful misinfo that she spreads. They're never going to admit that she makes mistakes. So it's hard to go by their word. Hence I tend to just delete/ignore messages from people who stan Lily. Plus again this all started from me asking Bitterlapis to at least just tag LilyOrchard posts because LilyOrchard’s language towards the mentally ill is kinda triggering for me. Not too severe but too much exposure to it can make me relapse. I like Bitterlapis’ blog too and I didn’t want to resort to immediately unfollowing over them sharing LilyOrchard positivity posts. So I wanted to reach a compromise with them by explaining why I need LilyOrchard positivity tagged. But then y’all, the same folks who claim to be so against “evil witch hunts”, decided this was me trying to destroy LilyOrchard’s reputation. Even though nowhere in my post did I say I wanted to ruin her life. Listen, I used to really enjoy LilyOrchard’s videos. However, ever since I started following taptrial2 and then saw how ugly LilyOrchard got with them for civilly correcting her? I just can’t enjoy her videos the way I used to. Hell even just trying to go back and watch them stresses me tf out. The only way I’d be able to watch them now is with a trusted friend who respects my boundaries. I am also fully aware that people can change their views over time but LilyOrchard hasn’t done that yet from what I’ve seen. So that argument doesn’t really apply here, before anyone is tempted to use it to derail this rant. Anyways that’s my stance on that. Respect all triggers no matter how “weird” they sound. It’s easy and free. @bitterlapis

[thecirculararchive]

Sophie. Pray-tell, what the FUCK did you smoke before reading my post, and please can I get some?

My post: “Endogenics are not lying. From my own personal experiences, anti-endos are not claiming that Endogenics are liars, and are instead trying to inform them based on what they know. Here’s some hyper specific examples of this exact thing happening to me when I was pro-endo.”

Your reading comprehension: Clearly this person is trying to paint all anti-endos in a positive light. See? Here’s a completely unrelated screenshot of someone saying something I disagree with. The screenshot has someone saying that you can only be plural with DID/OSDD, which is very clearly lying, despite the fact that lying is defined in OPs post, and this user is not lying by that definition. But fuck that, I disagree with it, so it’s a lie. Nevermind the fact that OP actually said this is a case of Anti-Endos trying to correct misinformation based on their own experiences - since this user’s experiences don’t match mine, it’s lying. And moreover, even though OP was specifically and clearly ONLY TALKING ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES IN ANTI-ENDO SPACES, I need to explain why their experiences are actually incorrect and that, by making this post, OP is actually *purposely trying to sanitize spaces to make it seem less bad*. Oh, and I decided to make this post actually about anti-endos hating our labels, which was never part of OPs post to begin with, but it seems as good a place as any to throw a fit over how I’ve been treated.

How can I summarize my response.. Hmm...

1. Stop fucking tagging people to start drama on my posts. If you’ve got beef with oops-all-syscourse, take it up with them, not me. Their ask had LITERALLY NOTHING to do with my claim that Endogenics aren’t liars, and that anti-endos are trying to stop the spread of misinfo. But seeing as that’s what oops-all-syscourse was ACTUALLY trying to do - you know, stop the spread of misinfo - and you just chose to call them a liar over it, that’s more on you than on the anti-endos.

2. One person’s post is not proof that the majority of anti-endos are shitdicks. Believe it or not, we are not a hive mind, and I was (once again) only speaking to MY experiences. I’m so sorry that you think that someone correcting misinfo is somehow lying.

3. BITCH I HOLD THE ABOVE OPINION. Shocker of all shockers, that’s not actually a lie!!! It is scientifically what is currently known about plurality, and as we all know, you’re going to respond about your experiences and how they make you valid, and I don’t fucking have the energy for that, because I disagree with your experiences!!!!! So... yeah!

Have a great night!

I wanted to address a common claim I see from Endogenics.

“By saying we’re actually traumagenic systems, you’re telling us we are liars and you’re telling us our experiences are wrong; that we are not experiencing what we are experiencing.”

No. We aren’t.

1. Lying takes forethought and planning. It takes purposeful action to decide to lie. There are some people arguing that Endogenics are liars, but the majority of anti-endos I have seen actually support the idea that Endogenics could exist. They also simply support Occam’s Razor.

2. While you are not lying to describe your experiences, you can be misinformed. You can use incorrect terminology - such as the “integration” vs “fusion” debate, if we’re looking for an intracommunity discourse. This is what the majority of anti-endos seek to correct and offer advice on.

3. In this disorder, what you’re experiencing… may actually not be what you’re experiencing. We experienced an “alter death,” but it wasn’t that. It was dormancy. I was so mad to hear “you didn’t experience alter death” because I felt like I had - but acknowledging the truth was so vitally important to healing. It helped me understand my experiences to know the proper terminology, because it finally gave me hope and guides of how to improve my mental health. “Alters go dormant and that’s okay” was a very different mentality than “alters can die and are gone forever.” That’s just one specific example of something that happens all the time.

I just wanted to explain this a little. My students are back from lunch so I need to go, but you can have a little syscourse, as a treat.