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scummrevisited · 2 months ago
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isn’t it a bit weird how a lot of fantasy/classic trope things that are considered “gender” are like. catered to western things. knights and modern vampires and high fantasy and victorian suits and whatevs. i don’t know but like. they’re often seen as a classic universal epitome of transgender desires even though they’re mostly eurocentric
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erb23 · 4 years ago
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Gonna talk a little under the tag, just need to vent.
So, if you watch the ml tags like I do you’ve probably seen some people arguing about one particular fic that discusses the current quarantine situation. I’m not gonna talk about that specifically, just at how funny it is that there have been multiple fics of Ao3 and tumblr about the quarantine (some dating back a few months) with no fuss over them at all.
Like, if you go on Ao3 and search “quarantine” under the ml fandom, 10 fics show up. Earliest one is from March of this year. There’s more, i’m certain, i’ve noticed these kinds of fics popping up since the mandatory quarantines started. I’ve ignored them for my own reasons.
Heck, there’s even a covid tag with 31 pages of fics from various fandoms, but I digress. 
It just seems like the people getting the most bent out of shape about the one recent fic aren’t mad because of the handling of the subject matter, but moreso it’s views on one of the characters. A character that’s kind of polarizing in the fandom, and also one of the main characters.
Like, some very active, very popular, and very chatty blogs who very much like this character have complained about the fic, but not really? It’s mostly complaints about the one character’s role in it, which is fair if you like them, but their main argument against it is very shallow at best.
They say that the character is ooc. I can’t really see it being so, especially with how this character acts in cannon. 
ML as a whole is a mess in terms of writing and character consistency, so a lot people stick to popular fannon when writing the characters (because if we went strictly based on cannon, a lot of fandom favorites would be terrible). Like, the actions of certain characters are a far cry from what the overall narrative wants them to be seen as, most especially the character in question.
Like, if you watched the show in passing, like doing chores/hw while watching it would be very easy to see the character in question as an all around nice person (if not somewhat undersocialized). They certainly are undersocialized, but not as nice and sweet as the fandom tends to depict. Like if you actively pay attention to the show, this character is often very self centered and self serving. They tend to talk about and give advice on things they’ve got no business talking about. They willingly ignore rejection from a peer that they are infatuated with, much to said peer’s continued annoyance. 
And none of these things makes the character bad. If this show were being handled by a better team of writers, it might even add in some much needed depth to them. But that is not the case, and the cannon treats this one character like they’re always right and should be empathized with even when they are objectively in the wrong. 
Even in universe, no other character ever chides or finds fault with them (even when they ought to tbh. It’s gotten very annoying.) And the only characters that have been against this character have been made to be fairly unlikable. We get told to love and pity this one character who constantly acts entitled and doesn’t really ever get reprimanded for their actions. 
All of this is to say, I find that whole “ooc” argument very lacking. Because, textually speaking, even if it was not the intent of the writers in the show for this character, their depiction in that one fic is not ooc. 
You could say it’s ooc in relation to popular fannon, but certainly not to the cannon.
I’m not even a stickler for cannon interpretations. It just seems hypocritical to argue with someone over a character being ooc when much of the fandom writes them as such. I just wished people were more honest with themselves and said that the reason they find issue with the fic is that the character isn’t treated like an altruistic, innocent, pure “cinnamon roll” because that’s the interpretation of the character that they’ve committed to propping up. Heck, i might not have gotten tired of said interpretation of the character if people would admit that it’s not very cannon accurate. 
I’ve seen this happen in a lot of fandoms. People picking fights over how “ooc” a character is in a fic even when that’s not really the case. You can’t control how other people depict a character in their fics. I know, seeing your favorite character as the antagonist of the story can hurt. But then again, there are droves of other stories where that isn’t the case. Hey, you could even write a similar fic where they aren’t being an antagonist in the situation.
I dunno, man. It just feels kind of dumb to argue about it. Just block blogs and tags and move on.
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pushesbuttons-blog · 8 years ago
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Creedy Rambles-
So this is just gonna be a new thing I do on occasion when I can’t focus on drafts or messages, where I’m going to talk about stuff related to TSP, fandoms, tumblr and roleplaying in general. I’ll be tagging these specifically, and they’ll all be under a read more. So if you don’t want to see them, just blacklist the tag.
REGARDING OC’s:
THIS IS NOT MEANT TO OFFEND ANYONE OR THEIR CHARACTER, SIMPLY IT IS TO HELP PEOPLE WHO WANT TO IMPROVE AND EDUCATE PEOPLE ON WHAT IS ORIGINAL IN A CHARACTER AND WHAT ISN’T- BASED OFF OF HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE DO IT.
Before I start in I’ll quickly identify what an OC is-
OC or Original Character, is a person or entity developed entirely with the creative mind of one person and does not stem from an existing copyright/franchise.
Essentially- it is a being that you made up. You made up their personality, backstory, appearance- all of it. Yes, you probably got inspiration from other places or characters, but it is still your own character. They can be set in a specific game/movie/book or any franchise, or you can make up your own world for them.
Now unfortunately on Tumblr, Oc’s face A LOT of criticism and backlash. Not necessarily because Oc’s are bad.. but because of the stereotype that they’re bad.
And even worse, this stereotype is often very true, in the sense that- people do NOT understand how to make a character.
People make a character, but its not really original. Because it conforms to ALL the stereotypes that other people’s OC’s have. Thus negating its originality in the first-place. Making it ironically an UNoriginal character.
And it kills me, because those Oc’s ruin it for the GOOD Oc’s out there.
I’ve been on Tumblr for only around 2-ish years and I’ve seen HUNDREDS of Oc’s. Some AMAZING and others horrid.
And It hurts me that the good Oc’s aren’t given a chance because of the negative association with stereotypical ‘bad’ oc’s.
Now I bet you’re asking- ‘Creedy, what are some of the things people do that make BAD Oc’s? Surely it can’t be that bad, that people on tumblr sometimes won’t even consider writing with them, right?’
Sadly, that is completely correct.
Disclaimer: Sometimes people won’t write with your OC simply because they don’t like them, and thats THEIR problem. Not yours.
So let me give a quick rundown and reasoning as to what people do that give Oc’s (GENERALLY) a bad name-
1. Mary Sue / Gary Stu
Okay, we’ve all heard these ones. But if you haven’t- A Mary Sue is basically a stereotypical OC with NO FLAWS. She’s often described as ‘smart, pretty, honest, kind, and amazing at everything she does’.. okay. 
That is already a HUGE red flag.
And even moreso- the only ‘flaw’ these characters will sometimes have is ‘clumsiness’ or some other attribute that doesn’t directly negatively effect the character’s personality, and is usually used as a trope to get that character closer to what they want... which is NOT what a flaw is supposed to do.
And if you think that your character is somehow unique in spite of all this- the FIRST instance of a Mary Sue goes as far back as 1973. In a Star Trek Fanfiction
Mary Sue stories—the adventures of the youngest and smartest ever person to graduate from the academy and ever get a commission at such a tender age. Usually characterized by unprecedented skill in everything from art to zoology, including karate and arm-wrestling. This character can also be found burrowing her way into the good graces/heart/mind of one of the Big Three [Kirk, Spock, and McCoy], if not all three at once. She saves the day by her wit and ability, and, if we are lucky, has the good grace to die at the end, being grieved by the entire ship.[7]
If your character matches this description, I’m sorry but- they are NOT original. If they’re good at basically everything with no flaws (especially at a younger than normal age) that character is by all means considered a Mary Sue. A Gary Stu just being the male counterpart.
How to fix this:
Now there IS a line in the sand. Your character can be young and good at things, nothing wrong with that. But make sure you add in some flaws such as- ‘unintelligent, rude, brash, liar, insecure, boring, cruel’. And make it so that there are things they hate in the world, and people that hate them. Mary Sues are also often depicted with everyone liking them, but as we all know that is simply not realistic. Create enemies or rivals for your character- or Hell, even someone they just plain dislike.
2. DO NOT COME UP WITH EVERYTHING ON THE SPOT
This^^^ Is important
Do not force your ideas. Do not try and just pull a character out of your ass, because then that character will be shit.
Take your time, no pressure.
You do not have to come up with their favorite color immediately- or even finish their backstory.
Somedays you may like an idea but later on you might realize it was stupid or unfitting, and vice versa.
Be patient and pace yourself
But lets say you’ve already kinda rushed it with your character, no biggie.
How to fix it:
Again, take your time. Don’t immediately go deleting everything you dislike about your character. Put it on the backburner and give it time to boil, slowly but surely- it will come to you.
3. Do not LIST things.
Unfortunately I’m also guilty of this one, as is most Tumblr rpers.
When you make an about page for your character- listing the name, age, birth. Thats okay. But why do it that way when you can show off your writing skills a bit?
And don’t make giant random pointless lists of likes and dislikes. Place them in relevant categories.
How to fix it:
Instead of doing the following:
Likes: Swords, rock, fighting, snow.
Do this:
Aya lives outcast in the snowy tundra nearly 20 miles from the nearest city, but it suits her just fine. The harsh snow is actually quite comforting and she can’t imagine living anywhere else. Additionally she has a fiery passion for sword-play, and practices as often as she can in her own private training room. The adrenaline of fighting keeps her fit and on her toes, and it drives her to do the best she possibly can each day. Aya also has a great taste in music, hard rock to be specific. She enjoys rocking out to AC/DC while battling her training dummy.
Is it a bit long and drawn out? Maybe, but it’ll give that person a better idea on how you write and how descriptive you are. Its not a cookie-cutter sort of process anymore.
4. No Eye-bleeding color schemes.
Dear sweet baby Jesus.
Look, sometimes it works. But a good 99.9% of the time- using every color of the rainbow WILL NOT WORK.
When you do that, it looks like someone crushed the color out of every sharpie that exists and dumped it on your character.
Its not pretty or cute or creative, because everyone has done it and it hurts to look at. Especially if you choose NEON OVER BLACK. You will burn someone’s eyes out, don’t do that.
Here is a basic read-up on Color Theory and some beautiful Color Palettes, to give you an idea.
How to fix it:
Now look, rainbow coloring in itself isn’t bad. But instead of just choosing the brightest colors you can find. Go to google and search for a color palette and use that. A good chunk of canon characters generally have a set of 5-6 colors in the same moodset that they stick to.
Also tacking on this: generally make your character’s clothing simple. Don’t add too many crazy patterns or random hats and glasses and wings and tails just.. unless you can justify it in their backstory properly- stick to a standard set of clothing and then maybe tack on a maximum of 3 accessories. A bracelet, a fancy hairtie and glasses.. okay done! Simple but cute!
5. Do not base that character entirely on a character that already exists (especially if you intend them to be in the same fandom)
It does not take skill or originality to take Elmo and turn him blue and then call him ‘Omle’
That is not an ‘original’ character and its not ‘inspired’ off of Elmo- yet I see people do this all the time.
Now look, this one is hit or miss. Sometimes it works and its cool, but most of the time it doesn’t. Especially if they’re in the same franchise.
Inspiration =/= Copying
How to fix it:
Unfortunately if you’ve done this you may need to make drastic changes with your character. But that doesn’t mean you HAVE to take away everything, you can just add new stuff. A change of clothes, skin color, eye color, maybe body shape, swap out some personality traits and boom- you’ve already got something more original than what you’ve started with!
6. Simple, my God.. simple
Meet Simplicity, no- they’re not an OC. But they’re gonna be your new best friend.
Simplicity is what you need. No over amount of accessories, powers, positive OR negative personality traits. Just a nice SIMPLE amount.
How to fix this:
Again if you’re not comfortable putting your character through drastic changes. Then this won’t be for you. Try and limit yourself with a set number of general stuff about your character. Like top five positive traits, and top five negative traits. Okay-
Compassionate, Goofy, Hilarious, Bubbly, Kind
Airheaded, nervous, panicky, oblivious, naive.
Notice how all of these traits generally have something in common or similar to the ones next to them? That is what a character is supposed to be like. Different enough to be their own thing, but similar enough to still ‘blend’ with that character. They OVERLAP each other.
7. I...I’m not sure what to call this one?
But basically- if your character is lets say.. ‘the sonic oc’. Make sure they look as though they’re from the sonic universe, but also doesn’t look too similar to a character already in that universe.
ALSO DO NOT USE BASES.
Any art you do will be SO MUCH BETTER and IMPROVE YOU SO MUCH MORE than ANY base you use.
Bases are actually proven to make your art skills WORSE.
Here is a POSE sight used to help artists draw, this is better to use.
Disclaimer: Using bases as references is fine. Do not copy it pose-per-pose. But maybe you just want to get a general idea of that character so you look at a base- thats fine. But do not copy it.
How to fix it:
Again you may need to redesign your character if this is the case.
Can’t draw? Thats alright, a detailed description can generally be enough for an OC. And even if you feel like your art sucks, practice makes perfect. I promise you.
8. Fit the personality with the appearance.
A character in a dark hood with circles under his eyes that look soul-crushing probably won’t have the personality of a six year old girl.
When you make a character who has a sad or depressive general mood or personality, match that with colors and clothing articles. Like blue or fluffy sweaters.
Think of the emotions in Pixar’s Inside Out. Their appearance directly correlates to their personality and the emotion they give off. That is what makes them good characters.
How to fix it:
Again, a redesign might be in order.
9. Long V.s Short Backstories
Alright so theres a huge doublestandard on Tumblr that I CANNOT STAND.
On one hand- people reprimand you if your backstory is too short. Alright, fair enough. Its their life story, I’m supposed to make it long and specific right?
WRONG!!!!!!
Because then people will get lazy and not even bother to read your character’s backstory because apparently 7 pages is ‘too much’.
How to fix this:
So, what do?
You make both.
You make a small summary of your character with something like ‘Very brief history’ and then you expand upon it under the summary with a title like ‘detailed/specific history.’ At least that way people can’t piss on you for your story being too short or too long.
10. The stereotypical ‘Tragic backstory’
Okay. I’m guilt of this. I’m SEVERELY guilty of this.
However, a tragic backstory isn’t bad.. as long as there is reason behind it.
When you have a character- having sad or horrible things happen in their life is good. Otherwise they’d just be another Mary Sue. But you don’t want to completely make your character miserable unless they call for it.
Lets say your character is blind- it makes sense that they could’ve had a tragic accident that blinded them.
But if your character was bruised or beaten for...seemingly no reason and it had no effect on them personality wise.. why is it there? What was the point in throwing it into their story?
A smiley, bubbly character who is constantly happy and has nothing wrong with them is not going to have ‘Macbeth’ as their backstory. And vice versa.
How to fix this:
Add happier or brighter moments in their life, intervals where things weren’t so bad. Role models, hobbies and when they learned them. Things like that.
On the other end (if they’re too happy) Add some sad parts. Struggles they’ve had, confrontations they won’t forget etc. etc.
11. Research.
I’m not saying you have to write a book report, but looking up on google about real-world locations, how certain jobs and processes (such as being arrested, giving birth, whatever is relevant to the character/your thread) will do you some good in an rp. And you might learn something!
And this is not meant to offend anyone.
Alright. Now I want to say that yeah- you can get away with some of this stuff. I list things, sometimes my characters are over the top, or their color scheme isn’t great. And people still think the character is good.
But it IS highlighting the things literally EVERYONE ELSE HAS DONE, therefore making these tropes unoriginal and making your character unoriginal. This is meant to give tips on how to make your character more original.
Do you have to change it if you don’t want to? No.
Is your character so awful it’ll make me vomit if you don’t follow these rules? No.
But if you want to improve upon your creativity, these steps will do nothing but HELP you in the long run. I promise!
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