#i try and be neutral abt vicky honestly she doesnt bother me thats why i post her here but if i said any of this on twt i think id be burnt

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a lot of people hate her for misogyny reasons too lol. the transphobic shit was obviously shitty but like if we're being honest, every dude in bandom has said MUCH worse (i'm trans, btw, not some cis person trying to excuse transphobia lol). a lot of the hate, especially back when cobra was still together, def came from everyone in that scene just being super misogynistic. i don't even like her tbh (i do admire her ability to survive in that environment for so long, though. i could NEVER) but i tend to jump to defending her just because of how so much of the hate towards her is for stuff that equally applies to everyone else in the band (or just like literally everyone else on the scene in general).

she def has been annoying about cobra ever since they broke up though lmao, but tbh i forgive her for that bc if I did One Cool Thing in my life i'd def be milking that shit for the rest of time

misogyny plays a big part in it as well i completely agree and i never see anyone talk about it. She was treated horribly by fans when they were still active it's everywhere on livejournal and old blogs on here calling her a slut for wearing a bra or saying she didn't contribute to the music in any way and should just be kicked out. Even in interviews when the guys were all asked about music and she would be asked how it was to live with all boys it must've been so annoying for her, its incredible she never snapped and told shitty interviewers to fuck off honestly. you're also so right about the fact that the men aren't held to the same standard and are allowed to do shit like this and it's seen as an accident or something to learn from while for women it's not something she can come back from and it's completely irredeemable.

The main thing about the cobra posts is the fact that i believe it played a part in them not being friends anymore which just kinda makes me sad they seemed really close during the band and were pubically talking up until 2018 or maybe later. i can't really blame her for talking about it a lot, it was her whole life for nearly 10 years, 4 albums, so many tours and festivals and tv shows. it's also what she's most known for and possibly will be for the rest of her life, plus they were nominated for awards, had multiple songs go platinum, preformed to massive crowds, became friends to some of the biggest musicians of the 2000s and became the one of the faces of a whole music genre, if i ever did one of those things i'd never shut the fuck up about it lmao.

I saw people making fun of her when she was complaining about her wiki page being removed, cause she was being "over-dramatic" but i'd be pissed as well, a whole page dedicated to all her work over nearly 2 decades gone and now all she is is an assistant. ALL WHILE THE MEN OF THE BANDS PAGES WERE STILL UP!!! SHE DESERVED TO BE PISSED ABOUT IT! they're all gone now but gabes but that's not the point, she showed fair emotions and was ridiculed