#i think the birkins are so tragic in their own ways and idk if i have the vocab to express that u just kind of have to see it urself

[fallowfrog]

the g in g-virus stands for good god william what have you done

[sapphire-weapon]

Can you explain what you mean when you say that a lot of RE2's tragedies are a result of Leon's inexperience at the time? To me it just felt like my poor guy was just at the wrong place at the wrong time and non of it was in his control :(

So -- just to be clear, I specified RE2make for a reason in that post. RE2make made Leon far more culpable/liable in people's deaths than RE2 OG ever did. OG pretty much was wrong place/wrong time for the majority of things that happened to or around Leon, but RE2make was very different.

But as a disclaimer, I haven't played through RE2make myself since about 2020. I recently did a quick refresh of it by watching cutscenes on youtube, but that's not the same. So, as a result, this is hardly going to be a comprehensive list or explanation -- just things that I can think of off the top of my head right now.

Leon absolutely gets the manager of the gas station killed in the very, very beginning. He just stands there like a dipshit, not moving, not trying to help, while the dude is holding back a zombie -- and he becomes a complete and total distraction as a result, which gets the guy bitten. If Leon hadn't been there, or if he had actually idk HELPED in some way, that guy would've lived.

When Leon first arrives at the RPD and tries to save that one officer who's trying to crawl under a shutter away from zombies, Leon does what most normal people would do in that situation and tries to pull him to safety -- but that's what gets him killed. A more experienced Leon would've known to look under the shutter and shoot any zombies back there first before actually trying to put hands on the officer. We see him do things like this fairly frequently later in the series.

LEON IS THE SOLE REASON BEN BERTOLUCCI DIES IN RE2MAKE HOLY SHIT I COULD NOT BELIEVE THIS WHEN I SAW IT THE FIRST TIME LMAO In OG, Ben kind of just gets suckerpunched by Birkin through the wall and has a lil G-creature burst out of his chest Alien-style. In RE2make, there is a SIGNIFICANT WINDOW OF TIME in which both Ben and Leon hear Mr. X approaching, and Ben BEGS Leon to let him out of the cell, and Leon's actual fucking response is "I'd have to ask Chief Irons" because he's more concerned with following the rules than saving the life of a man who is CLEARLY a sitting duck about to be murdered.

Everything with Ada. Literally everything with Ada is because Leon's a fucking idiot who's Bad At Things in RE2make.

A more experienced Leon would've absolutely tried to save Annette Birkin, regardless of her involvement with Umbrella and the development of the G-virus -- because, at the end of the day, she's still a person. In OG, Annette is kind of an evil villain caricature, but RE2make humanized her a lot and turned her into a more tragic figure who's still sane and recognizes the horror of what's happened. But RE2make Leon is so completely fucking gobsmacked by the revelation that Ada was lying to him -- again, because he's a fucking idiot -- that he just leaves Annette not only to bleed out, but to throw herself more completely at her own death. This one's kind of iffy just because there was probably no way to save her even if he did try, but the fact that he was too emotionally stunned to do anything at all led her to a much worse fate than she probably would've had otherwise. She could have died with some dignity, as opposed to none at all.

And this is just off the top of my head. There's probably more. Like. Thank god Claire was there, because there's no way Sherry would've made it if it'd just been Leon on his own.

[stellahaze135]

Idk 8 he was giving some sus vibes. Like I may have started on 8 but I’ve been binging all the play throughs and movies I can, and idk to me anyway. Especially keeping Ethan pretty much in the dark, while it may have been under the intentions of keeping Ethan save, it gives Weskey before he injected himself with Birkin’s virus. Cause even Wesker himself said that after he awoke from the brink of death that all he knew was hatred. So before that he was just The Mastermind, not necessarily dogging for global genocide just yet. He was always willing to do the thing on his terms, and I see Chris starting to maybe mimic some habits. Like he obviously doesn’t have Wesker’s personality, but whenever you’re around someone for a significant amount of time and you used to hold that person in high regard, they absolutely do have an effect on your personality and thoughts. Chris is everyone’s golden boy, including Albert at a point in time before the mansion.

Taking matters into his own hands when things aren’t looking right, leaving people out of valuable information, and I mean the way he came in and shot up ‘Mia’ at the beginning of the game. Not only that but how he kinda took over the care of Rose. Sure Mia’s done some sus stuff too for The Organization, but so has almost every single character in this series. Everyone be making mistakes and atoning for them so why take Rose from Mia especially after just loosing her husband?

He may have the best of intentions but as they say the paths in hell are made by the best of intentions. So he may have this hero complex and a remaining moral compass, but when you’re not taking anyone else’s perspectives into account… kinda sounds like Wesker to me a bit. I think he’s being influenced at the very least. We do know that he can be manipulated to an extent.

Like I said nothing overt tho, just that all this time and all those loses plus being haunted by the memories of Wesker, I just think it’s starting to tax on him a bit. And wether he turns or becomes the tragic downtrodden hero we should soon see with the animated movie and hopefully more remakes and 9 eventually.

Also side note, did you also think it was kinda weird in 7 that Chris tossed Ethan Wesker’s gun? Also now that he’s kinda dressing like Wesky? Idk either some deep rooted psychological stuff is weighing Chris down big time, or he maybe a clone, or brainwashed idk. All I know is I sense something afoot with Chris and it feels like Wesker’s handiwork/remnants.

I’ll be interested to see how Death Island will tie the gaps between some of the games.

So I’ve been thinking about it, and I feel like Chris is following that saying we all know ‘You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain’. And I honestly think that’s what’s happening with Chris. He’s very slowly turning into someone just like Wesker in a moral sense, but I’m really not sure if he’s conscious of it or not. I like to think Wesker kinda haunts him in a way where even though Chris is like ‘I will never be anything like you.’ He slowly starts to catch himself doing things the way Albert would’ve done it. And that fucking terrifies him.