#i ship it in both movies btw in case that wasn't clear

[jadeluz-official]

Anti discourse is SO funny to me because like. Beetlejuice was one of the only characters that didn't manipulate, take advantage of, or use personal jabs at Lydia. What did he do? He told her loves her twice (if you count the wedding). And yeah he stalked her, which was revealed to be him watching over Lydia getting trapped in Rory's manipulative spider-web. He literally cannot stop smiling around her in most of their interactions. The movie encourages you to be aware of the pairing, as Beetlejuice gets pushed out of the villain into an anti-hero role & more likeable as Lydia's romantic partner. And we're mentally disturbed for seeing some potential on that?? Okay, sure, go figure. You have every reason not to ship it, but you do not have any right to threaten & insult people about it. I know Beetlebabes is questionable in the first movie, but it's easily the healthiest relationship route in the sequel:

[ellena-asg]

Yes, movies are great and I love them for making characters complex and interesting. Even without extra scenes and books their portrayal is so good and their motives are clear. But oh yes, extra scenes and books make the movies even more complete ♥️ (btw if one day someone makes tv series based on these books I'll be forever grateful).

I'm happy to see all these words you mentioned. Bad family household, abuse... Indeed, it happened in James' story and though it does not excuse some of his actions (and he's painfully aware of it), it lets people to understand him more, understand why such a fine kind man (cause Swanns weren't wrong about that) was so salty and wrong almost all the time.

Yeah, I saw some James haters on this site and quite many of them seem to hate him because he's in Royal Navy. I'm not a fan of such institutions either (and not that all pirates were saints) but I want to care more about character as person, about their heart, nature, choices and feelings. There are good and bad people on each side (and I think that these movies showed it well). And Jamie... He was on the wrong path, he was flawed (who is not?) but his heart was good and this heart won in the end (but seriously, he didn't have to die 😭). He was so sorry, he was visibly disgusted with himself and with Beckett's lies and cruelty, he understood all and chose the light... That's why I love him. That's why I hate guys like Beckett or Lawrence.

James' story shows well that sometimes we don't have a choice or: we think/we're told we don't have it. Cause sometimes there are wrong people around us. People wanting to destroy us.

And in James' case that was a real tragedy. He was a little kid, he was like 5/6 y.o. and already abused. Abused both mentally and physically. And brainwashed all the time, trapped in "guys like Lawrence" circle, without any help. His situation reminds me of all those children being brainwashed and trained by terrorists or some armies. Children being tools. And for Lawrence Jamie was such a tool, he even said that James had to continue Lawrence's arc. He wanted own son to become a killing machine. Lawrence treated James like his property, like his subordinate, his marionette, his thing. There was no warmth, no fatherly love. Only pain, shame, abuse. All what he gave James was suffering and low self-esteem. And horrible PTSD, I believe - gosh, no surprise that Jack was so furious and bitter about Lawrence and his people. He was so right: James (a child) shouldn't have been there in that day, shouldn't have been on any ship and shouldn't have seen the terror.

It's so hard to escape from such toxic and abusive circle. Especially when you're alone with your abusers. And it's hard to deal with your demons even when you're finally free. James struggled so much. He had his war but not really with pirates - with himself. And let's bless Jack Davenport ♥️

All these moments, all his "I'm always struggling, always walking disaster James Norrington" 😭♥️

To me he is a beacon of hope, and a role model (as I discussed in another post). He reminds me that we can break the cycle, find the right environment, be open for others perspective, which may mean you forgive yourself, so you can become your best you.

Oh, true and so beautifully said, dear ♥️♥️♥️

He did it, he found hope 😭

But oh, Jack and Willy? I would say that life wasn't fair to them either.

Will: orphaned, attacked (a kid!) by bloody pirates and saved by a miracle, living without any friends (I bet his only friend was that donkey from smithy), always working too hard (his boss in the movies? forever drunk - it was Willy who cared about that smithy and had to do everything by himself), always hearing "know your place, Turner", missing a dad he didn't know, being lied about his origin, loving Lizzie but fearing he's not good enough, he's not a part of the society (I can feel some issues there). And in the end killed, then resurrected and then robbed from his precious life with Lizzie and baby (and separated from his found friend and brother Jack)

Jack: he and James share so much that I can't 😭 Extra scene from the movie tells us that he was a hero (he freed slaves and said 'fuck you bastard' to Beckett) and we can also see that when he sees his father Teague... he's nervous. What books show: he had really hard time with these two. And he was abused by his family and other people too 😭 He truly understands little James and he knows the pain. The only difference is that Jackie hides his pain even better than James. All that "I don't care" and "I'm Mr Humorous" are his mask 😭😭😭

James, Jack, Will: three boys hurt by life, linked by destiny (and would be a great family if not that cursed AWE plot, gosh I love them all so much 😭)

Jack & James and James' awful father, part 3: Jack wants to save James (part 2, part 1 ) from Jack Sparrow: Sins of the father by Rob Kidd

[billiejean485]

Karmiro Kiss

https://www.deviantart.com/billiejean485/art/Karmiro-Kiss-800793669

(Text from DA:)

First of all, I'd like to state something: I don't usually upload art such as this often or at all, and I rarely even show it to anyone. Reason? Been bullied a hell of a lot for it in younger years, so I learned to keep things like these to myself. However, I am pretty sure the Karmiro fans would appreciate it, and I am having a really hard time finding artwork devoted to this ship myself (kudos to Iamaddictedtocoffee and KenKic4Ever - you guys are IMO the best I could find), and I honestly wanted to contribute.

Second thing I wanted to mention is that - although the show itself made me a huge Karmiro fan, this particular piece/sketch came as an inspiration from reading Arctimon's fics. My God - for the past 6 years I've been having a really hard time finding quality fanfics (I got older, and my standards became very high), and their in particular are among those rare that make me cling to it like an idiot, rereading it until I know it by heart (still in the process of achieving that btw XD). I haven't left a review yet, but, I can say here that that level of quality English, original ideas and great imagination is not something that you just stumble upon in the fan fiction world easily. I'm blown away. Still am. Still haven't read everything, so I won't drop that mentioned review yet. But, Arctimon, if you're reading this - you have my huge support, and I'm a really big fan.

Now on to the rant on the art aspect of this sketch.

I don't have much experience in drawing a kiss, and still learning to do that. What killed me even more here is just the position (that I probably didn't even figure out well) of the two - if you have that steamy kiss where both sides try to pull each other into it, and a couple with height differences between a girl and a boy such as Hiro and Karmi, everything gets complicated. The arm position is probably off (because yours truly was lazy enough not to reference anything). I hope at least I got their faces right - I haven't drawn either of the two enough for practice. Oh, and Karmi's hair was ridiculously difficult for me; it should be simple, but nope.

Ah, yes, and the Baymax sketch in the bg - the body probably should have been a bit bigger, but 'anatomy' wise I think it's okay. I just placed him in the wrong spot. And I have a feeling that it made perspective make no sense (he's speechless, btw XD).

Okay, and two last things.

I love the fact that Hiro is the shorter one in this relationship and is probably standing on his toes somewhat here, while Karmi has to bend down and/or pull him up. It's so relatable and heart-warming. :D I remember how all that went in those years of life (14~16). Wish we'll manage to see him grow, but who knows. Also, depends what Disney plans for the sequel of the movie, if they're even planning it (it got them an Oscar, so chances are high).

But one thing that saddens me in that is that - for most characters that appear in TV shows that are based on the movie there is like a rule that they don't appear in the movie's sequel. Which brings me to the second thing.

Even though I ship them with all my heart, I see little possibilities for these two to become something more than friends (there is more chance for that happening with Hiro and Megan, although the whole Karmutie stuff has led us on to believe otherwise up until she showed up). It seems as though Hiro and Karmi's relationship was made only to reach some "good friends" climax and that that's the whole point of it. Even Karmi's crush on hero-Hiro looks more like something that came as a product of her loneliness rather than actual need for a romantic interest in her life (I think she'd be a lot more invested in her relationship with 'Captain Cutie' if this wasn't the case). And when you take into account that this is a show aimed at kids... it all makes sense. Kids don't like romantic stuff, nor do they need it. But what do they need? Learning more about friendship, especially with that girl or boy they tend to fight a lot and don't get along well. It's a perfect reason to make you think that that there will never be anything more in this relationship. But it gets on our older fans' nerves because - naturally, the characters are not kids, they're teens. Things function differently here. I mean, okay - Karmi and Hiro may not be each other's type (debatable) in the end, but you can't tell me they don't care for each other at it's base, and that they will learn to get their rivalry out of the way to make a clear path for that. And when that happens, everything's possible.

But coming back to the first thing I brought up - the characters from the TV show rarely, if ever, make it to the sequel of the movie. Which means, whatever happens with these two, they will probably split up. It's saddening, and I wish things would change there. Hey, seeing Karmi in the sequel would make who knows how many of us happy. And not just her - bunch of other characters too. Or at least give them an honorable mention.

It's because TV shows get made for kids that nothing from it gets transferred to the sequel of the movie, which gets made for audiences of all ages. If there's something I wish would change, it's that - having TV shows dumbed down for kids. And with that I mean - seeing characters a lot older act like they're children. What the heck is that teaching the little kids? That reality will never be like they saw it on TV?

Kudos, and a really big KUDOS to the shows that are tackling this particular thing. It's good and it's healthy. If you wanna make something for kids, make it really appropriate for kids. Don't tug on the nerves of us older people, because - whatever the world says, there will always be those older ones that watch cartoons, ages ranging from older teens to who knows how old. We don't like watching those dumbed down things, no matter how profitable it is for you, content-makers, to target it only for kids, who will get you the most money. Yeah, it's harder to make such stuff, we know, but it's not impossible. At least show a little effort.

But, concerning that, I can't complain on BH6's TV show anymore. The second season was fantastic so far, and those 'dumbed-down' elements were reduced to the bare minimum. I just hope it stays that way.

... Well, this was a whole lot that came out of me just because of posting one silly fangirl drawing. XD Hope some of you actually managed to read this.... Too bad all of this is going to get dumped in the Scraps' section (please make a Sketch section, DA!), like most of my uploads do.

I live and breathe sketches. lol

Oh well - thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. XD I'm really done this time.