#i read one that referred to montague (correct) AND exeter (incorrect) as the poles...?? | Explore Tumblr posts and blogs

fideidefenswhore · 16 days ago

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Exeter and Montague's claims to the throne were to make them the next victims of the paranoid king in 1538, and Anne could logically have used this threat to work on her husband's mistrustful nature. (This personal interest in the succession did not imply that they were genuinely trying to sabotage the succession of Elizabeth on their own behalf; presumably they regarded themselves as 'old' nobility opposing the 'upstart' Boleyns in the cause of honest English traditionalism, as on lower social level rural peasantry attacked the self-made minister 'Crummel' for trying to wreck the monasteries). The tradition of the royal kin resenting any 'low-born' intruders on their right to counsel the king was a long-standing one in medieval England; it lay behind similar grudges against 'upstart' advisers and 'favourites' under Edward II, Richard II, Henry VI, and Edward IV.

Royal Mysteries of the Tudor Period, Timothy Venning

#timothy venning #yeah...the thing about most of the counterfactuals that begin from the point of AB having a son #that is always kind of . mm. stretching credulity for me #is the idea that it would smooth everything over and there would be no more opposition to her #because there would still be these elements present #another problem with them is that they're not REALLY counterfactuals of tudor history; they're counterfactuals of like. tudors showtime #i could see her being very active in influencing the behind the scenes machinations of the exeter conspiracy #with or without cromwell...plausibly #they were threats to her #but i read this one where it's mary's arrest she tries to effect and she succeeds because mary visits aske #as in tudors...which did not happen #there's a lot of tudor fiction that just reads like tudors showtime fanfic tbh lol #i read one that referred to montague (correct) AND exeter (incorrect) as the poles...??#but yk. exeter was not in the tudors #i don't really think she wanted mary dead...1) that would have set a terrible precedent #2) it would have been so much better for her politically if she were alive and recanted her status #it's obvious that's primarily what she was seeking #the oaths had very little power in effect considering their targets (coa and mary) would not swear to them themselves #and considering everyone knew that...

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