#i like them but their fans and most of the tifosi don't deserve them with the shit they say

[latulla80]

you can't call yourself a lestappen fan if you don't like max you're just a fan of charles.

Irl i'm a Ferrari fan, then a Charles fan (and i love him as Ferrari driver). Max is one of the most talented driver of all time and i think he deserved the title. I really enjoy his driving skills. If, one day, he will drive for Ferrari i will support him. If one day Charles will leave Ferrari, i will still like him and respect him, but I will not support him anymore.

This is something typical for Tifosi (especially the italian ones). We do not support the drivers (even if oc we have our favorites), we support the team (yes, even when we are superpissed).

Then in a FICTIONAL world, I love Lestappen, I read fic about them, I enjoy content about them and i even write fic about them. But i'm still very aware that they are real people with real lives, families, emotions etc.

Like everyone else in our crazy little fictional bubble i love to imagine a secret wedding in Vegas or super hot post celebration sex. But it's still just fantasy.

Anyway i respect your point of view. For me it's just that I have two diffent levels of being fan.

[frostythefrostedfox]

Time for that Williams analysis I promised earlier.

To sum things up: Sargeant Sucks, Albon doesn't deserves to be here

But before y'all come with your pitchforks out, allow me to explain

This sport has a weird tendency of underdogging certain people and teams, and I get it, rooting for the little guy (mandatory Yuki joke) is always the most fun, those tears that came from Zhou in China were very real, I felt those, and I loved it, those 5 seconds of Lando not knowing what to do on the podium in Miami, I felt that bro, and I am happy for him, today's pole for Leclerc felt like it matters more than any other he has every acheived, and I am happy for him, not only as a Tifosi, but as an F1 fan in general.

We all were pointing at the screen like thar DiCaprio meme in Miami when the Haas pulled that point finish despite that ad infinitum string of penalties for one of them, unsportsmanship behaviour? My dude, that team play at its finest!

I don't ever think we will be able to agree what the fuck happened in that SC release, and if it was fair or not to Lewis and Verstappen alike

But sadly, that usually blinds peeps and makes them forget, or at least makes them unaware of why the little guy is the little guy, and that is the case for Williams in general, so obviously seeing something like Albon did today, P9 on the (objectively) worst car and worst team in the grid in 2024 put a smile in my face, that's the Monaco magic I am here to see, it's all you broski, YOU did this, you deserve it.

But at the same time, is Monaco, the odd one out, the circuit where car and team matter little, talent and balls matter lots, this race is some sort of equalizer, where everyone has to fight with the same tools and the same weapons, everyone loses their advantages or at least their effect are reduced to a minimum, Monaco aint a place where you win the race, is a place where you win the Weekend, you win this by properly setting up your car, by properly understanding its flow, by getting a good quali session and by managing your race, other races Begin at (roughly) 2PM local time, Sunday and ends, at worst, 2 hours later; but not Monaco, Monaco's race begins at 1PM local time, Friday and ends at 4PM local time, Sunday when too much.

So why is Logan Sargeant dead last once again?

We saw Checho on P16, Alonso P15, Max P6, Albon P9, Gasly P10, so having cars off-placed is not the exception, is the norm, so why is he, again, at the back again?

The decision of sitting him out in favour of Albon sounded cruel and everyone rose up in discontent, but think about it this way, you're a team principal, what would you do? Would you want to give the team the biggest chances of finally doing something worth of praise or do you wanna be fair even tho you know where that road ends, and be honest with yourselves, and be realistic too, because we all known damn well how this sport is, fairness is rarely the rule anyone plays by here.

And since I know how y'all are, I am not saying the dude is a flunk, a dud and that we should kick him to the curb like a sick horse, not even remotely, the dude has talent, that is why he is sitting where he is sitting, that's why he is "One of the 20" (Yes, I preordered the game, champions edition, leave me alone), he wouldn't have gotten here any other way, but, to put it bluntly, his talent aint as big as the talent the other ones in the grid seem to have, he would do better in a less stakes series, maybe a more forgiving series, or perhaps he just needs more experience, after all we are all different and we all learn at different speeds, so maybe he could benefit from a couple years as development and simulation driver before getting into that seat again.

Time after time Sargeant has been stuck at the back of the grid, and the only time he wasn't, in Suzuka, he put himself there with a solo mistake in the underpass turn.

His time to shine was today, getting into Q2 would have certainly proven that all he needed was time, that he is all that, he is him, he just need us to be patient with him and maybe give him a car that aint the 2024 Williams, after all that is what happened to Stroll, after banging the wall the first he went on the track in Australia, everyone ruled him as a paid seat, get him out and blah blah blah, now he is a solid driver that more often than not pulls in consistent results, not his fault Alonso is the main character of F1 and has plot armour.

But he didn't, he was at the back of the grid, as usual, so what else am I supposed to make out of this? He should totally finish the season, he has earned that much, but he certainly hasn't won the seat, and if the rumors about Sainz going to Williams are true, what can I tell you mate? Can't blame Williams for trying to scrape the barrel and get out of that pit they've been in since the last regulation change.

I know he is the favourite pookie of the grid, look at the little guy! But we have to be real here, and we all have to acknowledge there is a difference between Fanon and Canon, from what I know Logan is an amazing person and a very charismatic young lad, but that shouldn't deter the judgement of anyone when we talk about his numbers and performance, these are two different subjects and they are not intertwined in any way, after all we all know how Alonso can be, specially at his sassy worst (McL/H era) yet his achievements are what they are.

The dude just aint performing, and that's the truth, is not about points, is about how consistently he has been stuck in the last place, I would love to see an american driver actually be good at this sport, the last one we had before him was Rossi with Haas and we all remember the Singapore SC incident when he almost bricked the race for everyone because he didn't knew the rules.

But ont he flipside, Albon... Oh boy, he really showed us today didn't he? I think that being signed by RB is the worst mistake a driver could ever make, because their standard is not a bar, is a whole sculpture, pose included, that you must match to perfection or else you're worthless, once their found Vettel, they wanted every other driver to be just like him, and gave them Vettel's car to measure up isntead of letting them drive their own car, until they found up someone who stepped up, Verstappen, and now is more of the same, anyone who aint him is expendable, and that was the case for Albon, but time after time he has put that paperweight of a car he drives now in places where it shouldn't be, so there has to be something in there right? RIGHT?

Albon would certainly benefit a lot from going to a team where he aint hitting the ceiling since day 1, something with room to grow, every other time when it has been in his hands (except for the australia incident) he has delivered, and he certainly did today, this boy has something, he aint HAM, VES, he certainly aint a VET and totally not an ALO, but he is something, and that something should be given at least the chance, and I hope he gets the chance to go up instead of keep going down, because from what it seems, there aint much down left from here to go to.

Maybe the new regulation change will be kind to him if he stays at Williams, maybe we'll see some phoenix rising type story right here, and I really hope that's the case, because Williams is a Legacy team like Ferrari for a reason, and it is just so painful to see their name associated with such atrocious performances and lackluster appeareance, Pastor Maldonado won with a Willians FFS, it wasnt like the last time Williams was good the years began with a 19

For me, personally, I just don't think I have it in me to sit in my chair for another race and keep hoping Seargeant will improve, that a miracle will happen, that things will get better, I just don't have it anymore, specially not when the season seems to be favouring the little guys, First non dutch anthem weekend by Sainz, Lando's maiden win, cut streak with today's P6.... But I do find myself rooting for the big guy at Williams more and more, I want to see Albon do things, let him cook, boy's a chef if you give him some room.

[slythereen]

Genuinely don't get why people want Charles to abandon Ferrari bc like yeah the strategies rn are shit and they need to get their shit together but Charles loves Ferrari, he's passionate and dedicated to the team. Success takes hard work (from everyone on the team) and time and it would be disappointing to see him abandon his dreams just BC there's no huge success right now. Give them time, and besides not everything is just about awards. Idk just my view tho kfjfjsjfke 😭

tbh i go back and forth on this so much. it may be a product of me not being a long time tifosi and feeling significantly more loyalty to charles than ferrari (& lowkey being as much a fan of rbr in terms of brand and vibes, probably), so i don’t feel as strongly about ride or die ferrari…

mostly for me it’s just that ferrari doesn’t seem prepared to back charles completely. i can understand having a shoddy car and struggling with a bad season (or two), even if it’s a bit embarrassing such a big team can’t show some operational competence. but i can’t understand deliberately developing the car away from charles or the frankly baffling strategy calls that charles suffers or how his car is always having problems or how ferrari never seems to fight penalties or how they ignore his accomplishment and contributions on social media

like. i could keep going. i think ferrari’s problems are more than just incompetence and i worry that not having the right attitude/philosophy about it as a team means they won’t become more competent or ever deserve charles. rbr might be cut throat, but at least they fight for their drivers and at least the car would actually suit charles’s driving style. frankly if ferrari is going to treat him like a number two driver to carlos, i think he may as well roll the dice with rbr and his preferences aligning more with max’s

that being said: it really is charles’s dream and means so so much to him, and the times i love ferrari the most are when i see how the tifosi (and to some degree the mechanics) rally around him and adore him and make him so happy. so. you know. it’s 50-50 for me on any given weekend

[albonium]

CHARLES FANS ARE PISSING ME OFF RIGHT NOW

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

they've been pissing me off since 2020 :))))) and it's worse since last year :)

also fuck that gq guy lol

[maranello]

(Anon with the very long ask here)

Again, I understand the emotion. I mean, I was there crying for/with Ferrari in 1999 when they finally got a WCC. It just sucks for me, and maybe annoying or frustrating— I really don’t know which, when Ferrari get criticized for every little mistake. I hope I don’t sound like a purist because that’s not my intention, but I feel like some tifosi need to be reminded of where Ferrari used to be. Schumi won, FINALLY, after 21 years. They were nowhere before that. Now that the documentary is out, people should know how hard his start with Ferrari was. Even recently, with Lewis, people have said that more than the seven championships, it was they fact that he kept it up for so long that was the greater achievement. And I agree. It’s so hard to keep being on top. Ferrari will falter eventually. It’s a universal law. And this is them climbing their way back up.

I just feel like the tifosi need to think of the *team* as well and the work they put into it, along with the drivers. I mean yeah, Charles deserved a higher placing than 15th. The start alone should mean he deserved points at least. 19th to 12 was mind boggling. But it rained and the timing was terrible and whatever else. But this bad luck shouldn’t be a reflection on the team. Ferrari did what they could. They came out brilliantly, in my opinion. The engine change could’ve meant a top5 finish. But Mother Nature had other ideas.

It’s just a bit frustrating and disheartening to see people say Ferrari need to do more… and after this race, it’s just like… what more? I just feel for the engineers, mechanics and strategists (which was the role I wanted. The next Ross Brawn to the next MSC) who worked their butts off and I imagine them to be so proud to be part of the Scuderia and seeing their red car finish third, and then yknow… hear that the tifosi aren’t happy with them 😢

I just feel like as a Ferrari fan, we need to let those working behind the scenes know that they are appreciated, and that they are doing a good job. Because in the end, they are one half of what constitutes a win for Ferrari.

- sad engineer/physicist

ahh hugs for you friend!

It's hard to manage those expectations because tifosi are so far and wide and well. so diverse, and frankly speaking, Ferrari isn't the best with their social media/PR either from my perspective as a communications student. And I think there are ways to build that connection for the rest of the team (and not just the drivers) with the tifosi, but without being on their social media team, I'm not sure how to help with that 😅 Personally speaking, I would love to know more of the team behind the scenes like the strategists, the mechanics, the engineers, and those working at Maranello. With the way Drive to Survive frames things or how most of the teams market themselves, it's so driver dependent that those are just who fans end up emotionally connecting to. But I hope you don't misunderstand that I, speaking for myself at least and a handful of tifosi I know, do appreciate the team and the work they do. (Otherwise I think it'd be hard to stay a Ferrari fan atm if they only cared about the driver or only when Ferrari is winning...) Coming from me at least, it feels like almost a parental vibe where you want the team to do well and when they don't, it's less that you're disappointed in them and want them to do more, but more because you know they've worked so hard and want to get those good results but you can't really help so you just try to understand like why can't we do better? where can we do better? where can we do more? it feels almost protective in a sense like you want to protect the team from slander and sadness so you want to figure out how can we do more to prevent this. it's always that belief and love for the team to believe that it can do better, and perhaps that's a bit lost in the impatience? to want to fix things as quickly as possible. because I can't stand seeing Ferrari not on top and not being appreciated the way they deserve to be :')

So much love to the whole team from us! I think it's just a bit harder with how our social media is set up to get the message across to the team in actuality, but that's. a whole different thing I'd personally like to solve but am not sure how to get involved myself

[race-week]

I think Fernando has still a passion for motorsports and f1 and I believe he is helping Renault/ alpine rebuild. You can see it in Hungary how he blocked Hamilton even though he could have not fight him cause their cars are really uneven, and eventually it could hurt him more than Lewis.

On the other hand, I feel like it's time for kimi to go. And I say this as a ferrari fan, kimi has a special place in the tifosi's heart but I don't see the same passion from him as I see it in Fernando or even seb.

Thing is I’m fine with people saying “he doesn’t look like he has the passion for it anymore” and I do agree with that in regards to Kimi for the most part (and then he goes and pulls off some bizarre performance - Silverstone sprint, Hungary qualifying) but I’m not really a fan when peoples justification is that they are old.

Luigi Fagioli was 53 when he won a race, Fangio was 46 when he won his last championship, obviously Kimi isn’t winning races, but in my mind if a driver still wants to race, is physically capable and the team want to keep them (for whatever reason) who are you to judge. I think that this might be Kimi’s last year just because I don’t see that passion so much anymore, but I don’t like it when people say that X driver should retire just to make room for a rookie, if a rookie was deserving of the seat - the team would make sure they got it.

But yes 100% Fernando in Hungary (end of Baku and Silverstone sprint) showed why he came back, and at the time proved to a lot of people that he was deserving, up until today when it was announced that his contract may be extended.