#i forgot vlad has the hates children trait ;-;

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There were some things you missed, so I decided to vent too. Hope you don't mind.

First of all; in his video on the Reverse Trio AU (or at least just Sam Phantom) he stated that he was getting comments asking him to take a look at it, so the fans are probably requesting these AU's and he's drawing them. He certainly doesn't use the AUs' names. So I doubt he's actually in-the-know of the fandom enough to find the AUs himself. [I would insert a screencap or GIF of Mr. Lancer attempting to sound hip and failing miserably, but such a GIF is currently unvailable.] So, my speculation on the origin of these videos aside, I'll nitpick some of the other nonsense in this video:

We have to remember that Vlad started out an okay person; the fact that he simply got ghost powers didn't change him a whole lot morally...Well, the ability to get away with crime could have inflated his selfishness and tempted him to steal, but it certainly wouldn't make him a bitter supervillain. It was the specifics of the accident that gave him his powers that made Vlad bitter and hateful of Jack. Vlad was hit by an impure prototype portal, which gave him ecto-acne. The acne left him in hospital quarantine (and further recovery) for a long period of time, which made him quite socially isolated (according to Masters of All Time). The fact that Jack got together with Maddie during this time (and the ecto-acne got in the way of Vlad intervening to save his chances) probably didn't help either. So, the only major way that Vlad could turn out good, in my opinion, is if either the ecto-acne didn't happen at all (which was caused by Jack tipping cola into the prototype), or when Maddie split up with Jack due to her concern for Vlad's injuries she stayed with him almost constantly during the recovery from the ecto-acne. Vlad wouldn't have his love stolen away by illness (but instead brought his love closer), so he probably wouldn't be as mad at Jack; and Maddie's constant attention probably could act as a better moral influence on Vlad.

Also, there's the issue of Jack trying to get powers like Vlad's: Butch never mentioned that Jack knew about Vlad's powers, but then says that Jack tries to get powers himself with the implication that Jack DOES know the Portal can give ggost powers. So if Jack DOESN'T know, as per the Vlad-keeping-powers-to-himself element that Butch mentioned at the start, he can't be experimenting with the powers because he doesnt know Vlad has them. However, if Butch just simply forgot to mention that Jack DOES know until he mentioned Jack trying to get powers too, then this discrepancy is cleared up.

However, it would still be out-of-character for Jack, even a bitter Jack who wants vengeance, to experiment on himself or his son and succeed. Like you mentioned, Jack in Masters of All Time follows the same bitter jealous route, but his sillier/ignorant character traits means he doesn't have the drive to do anything extremely brilliant on his own; after he became miserable he had no drive and just lazed around in his ghost form pining after Maddie. His original character certainly wouldn't do something as dark as experiment on his own son in response to a similar situation to Masters of All Time (though the divorce and complicated custody of the children might exacerbate the emotional problem, but I still doubt he'd try to experiment on his own son). My best guess for his character would be that Jack would take the schematics of the prototype Portal and try to make a better Portal to outdo Vlad and Maddie (if the divorce does make him bitter he might have the drive to do it, and he's working off of existing schematics Maddie and Vlad already helped with so he's not doing all the work himself). Then, Danny accidentally turns the Portal on (albeit without Tucker ir Sam there) and becomes half-ghost a la canon.

However, I'm not sure how he'd turn bad. Maybe Danny tells Jack, and Jack's bitterness starts turning further south when he finds out his son has the means to take down Vlad and Maddie? Danny assures Jack that the powers are useful for getting away with things (trying to show Jack the bright side to his son being a ghost), so then Jack starts to descend into more villainous territory by training Danny to be more powerful (not abusively; I imagine they'd probably have a close ally-like relationship, and although the training would get hard, Danny would start wanting it to push him harder so he can get stronger, faster). Jack's tough and miserable life negatively impacted Danny's emotional growth before the Portal accident (he grows up with a miserable, poor single dad who is fully obsessed with ghosts and the Portal, and still raises Danny as a son but doesn't give Danny enough attention because of the obsession with his work. He uses what money he gets from a few research grants for the resources for the Portal so they end up financially troubled for everyday life.) So, Dany could also turn more immoral. They might both turn to crime to gather finances with Danny's powers, becoming used to selfish illegal activities, and when Jack rubs his bitterness off on Danny by telling him how (he thinks) it's Vlad's fault they were living in such shitty circumstances, Danny gets a grudge against Vlad too.

Next, I'm not sure if Butch implied Sam and Tucker to be 14, but if not then they could be born the same year as Danny. If we want them to go to high school, though, then they need to be teenagers, not twenty-something's, so I see two options: move the time setting of the show back to the nineties, so the trio ARE fourteen even though they were born before Vlad's accident in the early 80's; or we move the accident forward, so Vlad hasn't had his powers for twenty years (if he's the hero he has to show some growth, not just have had his powers for 20 years when we meet him) and the trio are children around 5 instead of toddlers/newborns when the Fentons divorce (which might not solve all of the child custody nonsense, but at least it isn't as outrageous as Maddie not getting custody of a newborn). Jack, Maddie and Vlad stay the same age as canon, though, for the sake of keeping them old enough to have children Danny and Jazz's ages. The prototype portal could be something they create when they come back to the university for postgraduate research after Jack and Maddie had the kids and received some sort of grant or scholarship to cover the costs (the first thing they decided to do was use it to pay for postgrad costs because they wanted to study further but the kids cost to raise).

However, then there's also the issue of Sam and Tucker; how would they stray from their good-guy (or at least average-joe) morals to side with an immoral person like Danny - especially Sam? It's out of character and makes no sense since changing the prototype Portal accident doesn't affect them. Not to mention that Jack and Danny have to move to Amity Park after the accident with Vlad, so he couldn't have known either of them before the accident (and pulled a "they were best friends when he was innocent but they notice his turn for the worse" trope.)

Either Danny is an outright delinquent at Casper, so he wouldn't make good friends with either of them (especially not Sam, who's rebellious but has high moral standards), or he learns to act and hides his darker side behind the facade of either a nice charmer or a shy nerd to lure them in. However, it would still be difficult to turn them from there. He could get his ghost form "busted" by them (while not doing something "evil") after building up their trust, then justify any morally questionable actions with the "poor, miserable household" sympathy card, but Sam might notice that Jack could stop spending so much on the Portal and ghost tech to ease their financial "problems" (which are, unbeknownst to Sam and Tucker, already easing up by this point because Danny has stolen quite a bit). So, I'm not sure how Danny would get them in on anything. Since them going bad willingly is something extremely unlikely, I could only see them being manipulated like Vlad did to Valerie, but I still can't see how Jack and Danny would accomplish that.

Clearly both Jack and Maddie would have to move to Amity Park separately for Vlad to protect it, but the only away the not-getting-Jack-arrested issue for the whole "son is half-dead" thing is going to work is if Vlad and Maddie don't know Danny is the evil halfa, or if they know his identity but Danny pretends to work alone to throw suspicion off Jack. However, if they both parents live in the same town they would be more likely to bump into each other more often, and seeing Danny enough could help Vlad and Maddie connect the dots to Danny's ghost/human identity (if we go with the route where they don't know). So that is also a shaky patched-up plot-hole.

tl;dr:

Butch doesn't know shit about his characters and the plots of his own show (probably because he didn't write much of it, after all), and his version of this AU is so plot-hole-riddled and nonsensical it looks like swiss cheese.

How I would fix it: the accident with Vlad happens when Danny is 5 (in the early '90s) when Jack, Maddie and Vlad go back to college and create the prototype portal for postgrad research. There is either no ecto-acne (no accidental cola poured into the Portal), or Maddie's concern for Vlad (enough to make her divorce Jack) makes her constantly accompany Vlad during his recovery (after the quarantine stage ends) so Vlad gets closer to Maddie and has a better moral influence. Jack and Maddie divorce and (in some weird, questionable, rule-bending custody battle tomfuckery for the '90s) Jack takes Danny while Maddie takes Jazz.

Jack moves into Fenton Works in Amity and, bitter about Maddie divorcing him for Vlad over the proto-portal (and Vlad's powers if he knows about them), he pours almost all of his finances into a new Ghost Portal made from the stolen blueprints to one-up them. Danny gets morally and emotionally impacted negatively as a child because his only parent cares about him but is bitter, miserable and still too obsessed with ghosts to raise Danny properly. Danny accidentally falls into Jack's improved portal at age 11 or 12 and becomes a halfa. He tells Jack and points out how ghost powers could be useful to improve their situation, so Jack is on board. Danny delves into crime for money and Jack trains him intensely with the intent that Danny can get back at Vlad. Danny puts on an innocent facade at school to lure in Sam and Tucker, but after Vlad comes Danny manipulates them into fighting for him by pulling a Vlad-to-Valerie...somehow.

When Danny is 14, Vlad, Maddie and Jazz move to Amity and Vlad uses his powers to become a local hero, but Danny intervenes under his ghost identity. He figures out Vlad's human identity (as well as the involvement of Maddie, who he hardly remembers from his childhood) and tells Jack. Vlad and Maddie now have to hunt down the villainous ghost opposing Vlad and his two assistants, not knowing that the bastards are hiding in the local high school as Maddie's estranged son and his two puppet friends. They certainly don't know that Jack is involved.

Also, Danny most certainly will NOT have a goatee.

I fucking hate this man

(long post, but I gotta vent)

#1 Is he straight up stealing AU’s from the phandom by this point and claiming them as his own???

#2 WHY IN THE HOLY MOTHER OF FUCK DID YOU MAKE JACK PURPOSELY KILL HIS OWN CHILD?!?!

JUST…????????????????????

#3 If he’s the same age of Sam and Tucker, and they’re most likely in freshmen year of high school, why does Danny have a goatee at 14???

#4 Danny’s ghostly tail is blue like his skin, is he also not wearing pants?

#5 Jack being like canon Vlad and getting revenge on him for “stealing the love of his life”??????? Is Jack in Master of All Time not valid??????

#6 DAN PLASMIUS???????

The rest of these are from discord

#7 Why would Vlad even be in Amity Park? He lives in Wisconsin and also the college they went to was University of Wisconsin.

#8 If Danny and Jazz were born 20 years earlier, Sam and Tucker wouldn’t be born that early either.

#9 Why wouldn’t Maddie take both of her kids after the divorce? Especially since Danny is A NEWBORN?

#11 If Vlad and Maddie knew what Jack did to Danny, why not get him arrested for child endangerment???

#10 Why does Danny have a completely different outfit (hate the red), but Vlad’s is literally just Dannys’ jumpsuit, but with a V?

The only thing I’ll give him credit for is that I genuinely like how this is drawn. Idk why, but it looks better than the rest of the shit he’s drawn in his current art style. Background is lazily done though.