#i dont think there are any dictators at hybe

[sizzlingpatrolfox]

i couldnt stop laughing at the basically “kissing up the homies to hide the women” theory. it also made me feel kinda weird however like this is the world we’re living in? MEN HAVE TO HIDE THE WOMEN THEY’RE GETTING INVOLVED WITH (heterosexuality getting that closet treatment) it’s so very dystopian but also so fcking funny. these are grown men doing all of these things and for what: fame, money, fans lol. i mean at the end of the day rather than “damage control” it just causes more damage. so many 2nd gen idols were publicly involved w ppl. like g dragon and miko kizuhara that was very much fcking public with photos from thousands of angles they didnt seem much bothered and im sure theres many others. no need to directly confirm anything (it can be kind of unsafe for the woman involved) but atleast dont do all these things thinking ppl wud actually believe ur ass

It really does sound crazy to say it "out loud". It makes sense in my mind, but actually saying it to other people makes me feel kind of insane. It's also one of those things that if I saw someone else say, I'd roll my eyes so hard and think that they're stupid 😭 that's why I keep delulu thoughts to myself. Because I know how hard I'd judge people if it were someone else saying it.

Definitely, any damage control in situations like these (dating) only causes more damage in the long run. It might be enough and it might work for the near future, just to get people off of your back, but ultimately following your rumoured girlfriend on instagram and then acting like the app suddenly came to life and threatened you into following her and you were just a victim, it just enables people to keep thinking they can dictate what you do and who you date. Situations like that also continuously feed a wrongful idea of who you are. I mean, Taehyung "accidentally" followed two people, and people reacted the second time based on the way HE reacted the first time around -acting like a victim, like he didn't know what he was doing.

Anyways. Fact is that idols, male idols especifically hide their relationships all the time. Period. How many idol groups are there and how many do you know have girlfriends? Yeah. Do people really believe that the 30 members of NCT are celibate? Or that they're all gay because they were never seen with women? Without going too far, just take hybe groups. 7 men in BTS, 13 in seventeen, 5 in txt. That's 25 guys who've never dated publicly but they've most certainly been in relationships.

Male idols just don't admit to dating women, ever. Sometimes they get caught dating and they either deny it or confirm, like gdragon and miko who never confirmed but the info was out there. The great majority just gets secretly married because their girlfriend got pregnant. It's not even just idols, actors and actresses too. There are several, seriously so many hot, rich male actors well into their 40s who were never seen with girlfriends. They're not all gay, and they're not all virgins. It's just the way Korean entertainers go about their life.

So I've always thought the pity parties BTS shippers throw for their ship were so ridiculous, because it's not like taekook are in love and having the worst time of their life because they can't hold hands publicly (only) because they're gay. If they were dating women you wouldn't know it either!!!!!!!!!! Jimin and/or Jungkook could very much well be dating women for years and you wouldn't know it unless they wanted you to know or unless they suddenly messed up and got caught. It's not that they have to "hide" because they're so scared of homophobia; trust me, if they have girlfriends they're using every possible method to go under the radar. Like, do people honestly believe that Jimin, who doesn't even show what color his walls are, would willingly say "everyone say hiii this is my girlfriend."

So in the end idols are also straight people having to have secret dates and secret partners because that's what it's expected of them, OR they could simply not want to talk about their private lives.

Obviously if a gay couple unfortunately "gets caught" is a whole different story, but let's pretend for a minute that being gay and straight is the same -BTS members love life IS and WILL remain a mistery no matter their sexuality. So the pity parties never made sense to me, "it's so sad that jikook have to hide" "they can't be themselves" "they have to be careful". Girl! If they are sleeping with women you would not know either and they would hide anyways.

Not to mention that gay couples within group of friends go sooooooo easily under the radar. I was in a relationship with my female friend for years and nobody knew, our other friends thought we were just like that. After we broke up, I told four other friends and only ONE, literally only ONE friend was like "I suspected something was going on". I'm talking about people I went to school with, people me and my girlfriend hung out with for 8 hours a day, and then whole weekends, have sleepovers, people we traveled with. In the same way, nobody is ever getting suspicious about a BTS member going into the house of another BTS member, be for fucking real. So I don't get what's all the fuss and the sob stories about oppressed BTS ships.

Normal people in the real world sometimes look at BTS and just see friends; shocking, I know.

[jmdbjk]

Time to look at the big picture.

I do not share the opinion that Jimin was slighted on this album. If Jimin wanted a specific song on the album, it would be there (still sad boo hoo he didn’t choose Promise). 

I strongly believe he made his own decisions. I also believe Jimin feels he is a dancer first and a singer second and that could weigh on his decisions.

I do not believe HYBE is as controlling over the content of the album as many others believe. BTS are mature and accomplished artists. The music on PROOF is their art. BTS chose the tracks because this is what they believe is authentic to them from the beginning to this point in time. 

HYBE on the other hand, is the machine that supports the artist by providing the staff for production and promotion of the art (music). 

And remember, HYBE did not exist until 2021. HYBE was spun off as the corporate umbrella to house BigHit, the music label, as well as to support, create or acquire new music labels.  HYBE owns a stake in many other companies, has many other subsidiaries, and is a huge global entertainment corporation. They are not controlling their biggest artist. They are supporting and guiding them to achieve the best outcome for their artistic efforts. 

FYI, BigHit was already acquiring other music labels before HYBE was created. BigHit had acquired the company beNX that developed the Weverse and Weverse Shop apps. V Live was transferred to beNX in a deal with Naver Corp. so basically, BigHit/HYBE own that too. And being as BTS are stockholders of the company, they “own” part of the company that so many are shouting Jimin needs to be free from. 

It is very small-minded to believe anyone controls the members’ artistic efforts. If Jimin said “I want to cut a country music song” HYBE would bend over backwards to connect him with their stable of American country music artists BECAUSE HYBE OWNS THEIR LABELS TOO! 

Can you see Jimin singing about pickup trucks, his dog riding shotgun and drinking beer? Not the dog, Jimin...Jimin drinking beer... He would kill a cotton-eyed joe choreo...elevate it to contemporary dance levels...watch out Black Swan, here comes Charlie Daniels Jimin. And the pickup truck would be purple of course. And the beer would be Kloud brand. 

I ran off the rails there at the end of this ramble. Sorry. 

[thetaekookcloset]

About that cut in memories 21 of the domestic moment, it kind of reminds me of memories 19 where tae comes back crying, goes to jks area, jungkook pauses eating, jungkook looks at the camera and hesitates, then boom: a big fat cut. Yet they can show jimin hugging taehyung without any cuts. I just dont understand what the point of that awkward cut was when you’re literally showing an already intrusive moment to begin with.

I truly hate how exploitative the company is. Although, all entertainment companies employ this method of exploitment, its never gonna sit right with me. Like theyre willing to bank off of emotional moments of bangtan, yet not willing to give them the emotional support they need? Theyre willing to air taehyungs emotional moments about his grandma, yet they didnt let him attend her funeral? Thats dehumanizing. Depicting the boys relationship with the company, their boss essentially, as daisies and roses is the dumbest and most naive thing u can ever do. To anyone who knows what a job is, do you agree with your boss on everything? Obviously not.

I do agree with a lot of what you’re saying here.  There’s nuance in these kinds of situations for sure, and I do think we can all stand to be critical of a major corporation and the way it treats the people within it -- though I will say, I think people around here, specifically, are quite about that.

To a certain extent, as you’ve mentioned, you can pretty much expect this sort of thing in any situation where people are being filmed living their lives for entertainment purposes.  Reality TV shows are full of people breaking down and having emotional moments that are then aired for the public to see, and in a lot of ways, that’s exactly what Bangtan content is: reality TV.

Obviously, though, it is questionable at best when these moments are aired for public consumption, even if people do know what they’re signing up for.  I think you’ve brought up a really good point, too, in terms of needing to then balance that side of things with emotional support as well.  I didn’t know that about Taehyung not being able to go to his grandmother’s funeral -- if that’s true, that’s really messed up in my opinion.

Anyway, as I said before, we really don’t know why exactly that moment was cut, or how much time might have been cut out of it, nor do we know how much of Taehyung and Jungkook’s relationship is really hidden from the public or how much that might be dictated by them as opposed to by HYBE.

That is, for the most part, information we can only speculate on, but I do agree that we can assume that BTS doesn’t always unanimously agree with corporate decision-making any more than they unanimously agree with each other on everything they do, and there are probably ways that they’re treated by the company that don’t sit right with them or that they don’t like.  As you’ve said, to a certain degree, that’s sort of just part of having a job.