#i dont even care that ur hating on jared but thinking that casifer is superior to sam!lucifer is a crime against god

[samwinchesterism]

it literally, truly breaks my brain that ppl think misha collins’s lucifer was good or, somehow, better than jared’s lol. like it was literally so bad? so so bad. like it was just a rough mark pellegrino impression with some added chaos -  except when mark does it, it works because ......... it’s his own face and mannerisms and they’re natural to him (and mark!lucifer was still kinda menacing in the s5 way in 11x09 but that quality disappeared quickly when mish took over lmao). like casifer has his moments of being alright (e.g. 11x14) but oof it’s just not great overall lol. the writing is partly to blame but pellegrino could make it work even in the shitty later seasons when everyone was truly sick of lucifer (e.g. the sam resurrection scene in 13x21). misha did non-cas characters well in the earlier seasons, e.g. jimmy or meta!misha or endverse!cas, but the later seasons are just not .... good lol 

it’s actually annoying that ppl seem to dislike jared’s lucifer just because it doesn’t like..... ape the s7 hallucination version of the character like misha’s did, without remembering that jared’s lucifer was literally the literal blueprint along with s5 mark (and s7 was not the real lucifer). when jared did endverse!lucifer there had been about....1 scene with pellegrino’s lucifer at that point in the show, so if they changed lucifer’s character in later episodes/seasons, which they did, then that’s literally not jared’s problem because again he was basically the blueprint for the character in s5 lol. 

as for the difference between the s5 lucifers (mark and jared), in my view it’s like how a person will carry themselves differently wearing a t-shirt and sweats (non-sam vessel) vs. wearing bespoke evening-wear (sam vessel). jared’s approach that an entity will appear to act differently depending on the vessel that it’s possessing, particularly an entity like lucifer that has a perfect vessel, makes 100% sense with lucifer and with the mythology of the show at that point (he expressed this at a con way back in like 2010) and at any rate to me is a lot more interesting than aping another actor’s mannerisms with just some added...weirdness lmao

basically ppl like to downplay jared’s interpretation when he had a thoughtful approach that made sense with the s5 version of the character (a truly menacing and thoroughly non-human villain that wanted to project power and didn’t consider himself to be the bad guy). more than that, sam is lucifer’s perfect vessel - back when that mattered, i.e. better times - and, more than that, endverse!lucifer specifically is lucifer victorious. to some extent any lucifer that’s possessing sam is lucifer victorious, incl. in swan song, because that’s lucifer in the vessel that he wants to be in: he doesn’t really need to be as scheming or cunning because he already is exactly where he needs to be (esp in endverse where he has literally won the apocalypse). idk man when characters talk up lucifer as the prince of darkness, the adversary, the deceiver........can u really tell me with a straight face that casifer channeled any of that power compared to the other versions lol

and honestly like.... the scene in the garden in 5x04 is a certified iconic spn scene and 5x22 is near-universally considered to be the best spn episode critically in all 15 seasons, and it only works that well because the switch from sam to lucifer then back to sam at the end is convincing and gripping, and because the threat that sam!lucifer poses is convincing, because that’s the crux of the entire episode. obv swan song excels because every single other element is great too (including jensen ofc), but still it would not have worked out that well without the solid sam/lucifer performance at its core