#i do have feelings about the handling of storytelling in the new eu and disney verse but really it would just be

[notasapleasure]

The funny thing about discourse over the mismatches and retcons between the character in the film I love and the TV prequel to it that I l also love is I hate whichever side I see making their argument at the time. :))) it's star wars babes!! You think his backstory is annoying, remind yourself of *her* canon backstory and remember that none of it forms a coherent whole because the people in charge are not interested in coherent storytelling! They're the people who greenlit the sequels based on one film and then let those involved make up the next two as they went along! These are not serious people. Yes, even that guy who wrote the script for the one you like! He is also more interested in his pet project and its message than in making star wars canon coherent.

You've gotta just let it flow. Pick the bits you like ignore the bits you don't. Rewrite that scene as if the bits you like mattered and the bits you don't like didn't. Don't go telling each other that only your interpretation is valid, star wars simply cannot and does not work like that.

Although I do have to say that that character was very much still a child soldier in the TV show, I'm sorry but he did get arrested as a minor and drafted into the army and you can choose the extent to which he fought or hid in the kitchens because there is ambiguity in the script for that already, but he was a child in the army that is a thing still. It's fine if you prefer his other child soldier backstory, I do not care.

My point is just it's star wars babes. You have to make your own canon.

[loopy777]

do you think we might actually be getting a full on reboot of the star wars film series, like some rumors have been saying for the last half year?

What? That’s a real rumor?

I can’t fathom why Disney would consider doing it (at this point in time). I mean, what would a reboot get them? I think this has to be fan speculation.

Would they really remake the movies everyone already knows and worships like a religion? After turning ‘Rise of Skywalker’ into a love letter to abusive Luke stans on Reddit, they’re going to try to recast the character and retell the story? There’s no way that could ever possibly turn out well, and Disney’s handling of the franchise already has everyone back to worshiping at the alter of George Lucas, so everyone is primed to want to hate a remake. And that’s assuming Disney can even find a halfway-decent director willing to risk their entire career in the attempt. Sure, I think the prequels could be remade into a genuinely good Space Opera epic if they didn’t have to conform to the Star Wars Three Movies Across Six-Seven Hours Formula, but would that really gain Disney anything? The best case scenario would be the Lucas fans still decrying the result, but everyone else going, “Yup, you remade those bad movies into decent movies that basically tell the same story.” That’s not exactly going to light the world on fire.

And if the reboot is not to remake the original movies, then what’s the point? Star Wars isn’t exactly constrained by continuity. The EU has already shown the storytelling viability of jumping a hundred or a thousand or whatever number of years into the past or future. If Disney wants to do its own take on the Jedi and state of the galaxy, just jump a hundred years into the future, say, “Rey Skywalker created a Reformed Jedi Order and blah blah blah...” and then do whatever you want. Right now, every single Star Wars story that the average movie-goer knows is centered a single family (aside from Rogue One, which is a minor adventure about some people adjacent to that family). Just tell a story about different space wizards; it worked for Ahsoka Tano and the Rebels series. Sure, there’s an established timeline for the state of the galaxy, but is “There’s a Republic, a war starts, then it becomes an Empire, then a rebellion overthrows that Empire, and then it happens all over again!” really that constraining? It’s all just set-dressing for stories of knights and cowboys and fighter jets in space. And if timeline jumping doesn’t appeal, then just go to a different section of the galaxy, or a different galaxy altogether. Space is really big.

The main reason why this is dumb, though, is because the wide movie-going audience doesn’t have a problem with continuity. Only fans care that Padme died in childbirth and then Leia later talks about her like she actually knew her for years. Star Wars continuity is a bunch of broad strokes that set up whatever we’re doing in this movie. (Whereas ‘Rise of Skywalker’ continuity is a bunch of broad strokes that set up whatever we’re doing in this current line of dialogue. And even then it’s pretty shaky.) No one cares how the details align as long as it feels like a complete, compelling story (again, compared to RoS, which feels like bad ‘The Last Jedi’ fanfic instead of anything logically following from ‘The Force Awakens’). What George Lucas focused on wasn’t the details of the continuity, but mythic archetypes in a setting with a wild and suggestive amount of detail on the screen. He probably made up explanations for the Clone Wars as he was asked in interviews (and then made up new explanations when it came time to make the prequels), but he knew the value of alluding to them like the characters all knew what they were.

And he certainly knew the value of showing audiences something new. Did you know he tried to sue the original Battlestar Galactica because he was miffed that they beat him to showing an ice planet? XD

I can’t imagine even the Disney leadership is so stupid to think a reboot would solve any of the franchise’s current problems.

This sounds like fans not thinking things through.

Note: I say Disney in this post instead of Lucasfilm because I’ve seen references to Disney leadership exercising more control over the movies. However, my talk of “Disney” includes whoever currently has any input into the franchise, including Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy and Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau and whoever else gets to contribute. Individuals in there might be good people who are good at their jobs, and yet ‘Rise of Skywalker’ is a disaster on every level.

[moonlitalien]

Okay so, here’s my own tiny review (more like a rant lmao) of TLJ, don’t read if you haven’t seen the movie obviously!

STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI SPOILERS BELOW

Because it’s a Star Wars movie, and because I’m a SW nerd, obviously, I HAD to see it on the first day, and I was so excited I barely even slept the night before. The thing is, in the end, I was oh so heavily disappointed. Now don’t get me wrong, I love SW and obviously I will see episode 9. And even that crappy Han Solo sequel, probably. Disney knows exactly what they’re doing, and of all the people I’ve talked to who have been so disappointed by TLJ as well, 99% of them said the exact same thing as me: “I used to love the old trilogies, and the EU - therefore, I will see any upcoming SW movie, even if I know it’s gonna be bad”.

I think that sums up my opinion of SW as a whole ever since Disney bought Lucasfilms. I don’t like Rebels, I don’t like the new trilogy, I don’t like how stupidly childish, sweetened down and cheesy they are, but I’m a victim of my own initial love for SW, so... :’)

...My biggest issue with the entire movie is that it didn’t feel like a Star Wars movie at ALL. I spent the entire movie being like, “Who the fuck are you?? What the HELL is this? Where the hell are you going??!”

Nothing felt like SW. It was an outrageous insult to every single old fan of Star Wars - they made up new species, new planets, new characters, and as soon as Leia and Chewie die in (I suppose) the next episode, there will be nothing left of SW at all. It’s gonna be a cheap, childish universe that has nothing to do with Lucas’ SW. Going to a casino planet? Oh, better make it a NEW boring, ugly planet that felt like something out of MASS EFFECT instead of SW, instead of making everyone happy and making them go to Nar Shaddaa. Same for that dumb crystal planet at end - why not make them go to a new ~old Resistance base planet~ instead of oh, idk, Hoth or Yavin, AKA some REAL Resistance planets from the old trilogy?

And the worst part? I spent the ENTIRE casino arc (and the entire movie, in fact) staring at the background and the extras, and.. I couldn’t spot a SINGLE alien I knew. No Twi’lek, no Togruta, no Devaronian, no Pantoran, no Chiss, NOTHING. It was either a bunch of ugly humans in ugly costumes or some unknown cheap-looking alien species. I THINK I saw something that looked vaguely like a Dug at some point, but that’s... literally it. I was so sad and so fucking disappointed.

Now, for a list of pros and cons for the rest of the movie:

PROS: - The scene where Leia uses the Force to bring herself back into the ship was absolutely incredible and brought tears to my eyes. The visuals were beautiful, it was just... perfectly executed. - LOVED all of the Kylo/Rey scenes, I’m honestly biased because Daisy and Adam are some of my favorite actors, and they were absolutely incredible in their roles. The hand touch was just... beautiful. When Rey feels the rain and Kylo does too because of their Force bond... It gave me chills. It was beautiful and so sad.  - Rose was easily the best developed human character in the trilogy and I think that says a lot considering she’s been here since, well, the beginning of TLJ only. Also, she was beautiful and adorable and really badass. - The space battles. Incredible visuals again. The moment where Holdo drives the ship into hyperspace straight into the Imperial destroyer was just so beautiful. - Yoda’s Force ghost. So beautiful and so sad, and I was so happy that they used the same model that they used in the first trilogy. - Luke’s death. Not the ACTUAL death, which was super badly executed IMO, but the final scene where he becomes one with the Force, with his theme song playing in the background - it made me tear up. It was SO beautiful and so good. As Rey said, there was no sadness, he passed away feeling whole again. - The last scene with the little slave kid telling the other slave kids about the Resistance and the Force, and that tiny moment where he uses the Force to grab his broom, and the last scene where he looks at the sky, it gave me so many prequels/original trilogies feels. 

CONS: (oh boy) - The really terrible conclusion to all the Kylo/Rey scenes, where they decided to just... kill off Snoke and make Kylo the big villain. Broke my heart. Really terrible writing, so predictable, again a representation of how stupid Disney’s view of the Force is: everyone is either black or white, and if there’s a SINGLE doubt about their alignment, it WILL be made clear at some point that they’re either super evil or super nice. Kylo was nothing but a sad boy, I was heavily disappointed that Disney chose to make him kill Han, and SO happy when he decided not to kill his mother in TLJ. I was almost starting to believe he could get a redemption arc, but no, it would’ve been too complex and interesting for the kiddy audience obviously. - Luke’s... entire arc?? Entire character?? Disney absolutely destroyed and burned down everything about Luke and the entire movie was just a fucking fiasco because of this. They turned the loving, friendly, ever hopeful little boy into a bitter monster who, for a second, would have been ready to execute a CHILD, his own NEPHEW, in his sleep. Into a stupid Force user who, after witnessing what the Jedi and the Jedi code did to his father, turning him into the galaxy’s most hated man, STILL chose to keep using the Jedi code and to teach it to his students. Ridiculous, completely OOC. - Whatever this mess of a story arc Poe got. Hundreds of people died because of him, including Rose’s sister. It was so OOC and such terrible handling of his character, I’m honestly speechless. - Whatever this mess of a story arc Finn and Rose got...? What was the POINT of this entire arc since it led to absolutely nothing except more pain and suffering? Ridiculous. - WHERE. WERE. THE. ALIENS. Seriously, FUCK OFF DISNEY. I’m so tired of all these humans. SO TIRED. The galaxy is NOT MADE OF A MAJORITY OF HUMANS, FFS. The casino was full of humans, the Resistance was full of humans EXCEPT THREE characters that I spotted in the background on top of admiral Ackbar (who fucking died too??), and even Phasma was also a human. When her helmet shattered, oh boy, I had this faint hope that she would be a Chiss, but NOPE. ANOTHER HUMAN. - Those marketing-driven scenes with the ugly birds (’Porgs’) and the uwuwu cute crystal foxes uwu like lol, go ahead, just buy plushies and figures of them, that was the only purpose of their appearance in the movie anyway. - Leia’s lack of love and empathy for her son. Luke’s unshakable need to remind everyone he needs to murder Kylo for the greater good. It was so OOC for both of them and CAN DISNEY JUST GIVE KYLO A BREAK LMAO. They turned what could have been one of the most interesting twist on a kid falling to the Dark side into a ridiculous evil puppet. Also, Leia has ONE child, and she would never hate him. OOC as hell. Next. - That dude from the casino whose name I can’t even remember, who helped Finn and Rose with the Destroyer and etc. Who the fuck. What the fuck. I just?? Why?? What was the purpose of this ugly drunk hobo besides making me hate Finn and Rose’s arc even more lmfao??? AND WHY WAS HE HUMAN AGAIN PLS REMIND ME? - NONE of the theories/questions were answered. Who is Snoke? Don’t know, don’t care, boom he’s dead. Thanks Disney. Rey is so strong in the Force because she’s related to Anakin? Lol no, she’s a random character with random parents. I was facepalming so hard.

I just. Oooh boy. This movie was a disappointment, It was exactly everything I knew it would be because Disney is bad at storytelling and likes to make everything easy and simple to understand for their stupid goddamn kid audience. Like go away lmao. I’m gonna sound like an old bitter harpy but the EU > Disney. SW was never supposed to be so easy to understand, it’s supposed to be complex, full of mysteries and theories. My mom and I regularly debate about Anakin and Padme and Obi-Wan and Luke and it’s been YEARS since these trilogies ended. That’s not going to happen with TLJ.

What I’m looking forward to in the next ep, even though I know it has 99% chance of not happening: - Leia getting a beautiful death, because she’s a queen, a mother, a legend and deserves the best death ever. - Hopefully a last goddamn chance for a Kylo redemption arc. Like lmao I know it won’t happen and Disney will just keep ruining his character but a girl can still hope. - More Kylo/Rey scenes since they were some of the best parts of TLJ. - More Rey/Finn/Poe scenes because we got nothing at all in TLJ except a hug between Finn and Rey at the end and like a two-word exchange between Rey and Poe. - More cool space battles. - MORE FUCKING ALIENS. FFS. JUST GIVE ME ONE TWI’LEK AND I’LL BE HAPPY. - An Obi-wan and/or Anakin Force ghost. - An interesting ship that isn’t necessarily straight (just saying this because I can FEEL the Poe/Rey happening even though they have 0 chemistry and it’s making me sad :’)) - PLEASE just tell me who the fuck Snoke is and tell me he isn’t really dead. Please. The ~supreme leader~ can’t possibly have such a retarded death with 0 background for his character. It makes no sense.