#i am now sad i made that meme and started the analysis in the tags :( it should be its own post

[0sbrain]

glados during the first act of portal 2 after getting resurrected

i FEEL like some of glados characterization is lost when the jokes about her circle around fitting the "dommy step on me sexy + intelligent + evil/cruel" archetype not like she isnt evil or intelligent or sexy but i do think i greatly enjoy her character more when i get to remember she is a little silly. she is mean and cruel by making up the most elaborate and stupid sounding insults ever. she has an extreme grudge against you which she insists shes not mad about while mentioning the fact every two minutes. shes madly obsessed with a woman who never responded to a word shes ever said. most of the shit she says is just straight up ridiculous. shes constantly battling intense feelings of loneliness while refusing to admit to anyone she could ever want company or affection. she is described by the creators as "throwing fits like an angry child". glados IS a little bit pathetic and silly and a very funny and very sad character. shes a woman of multitudes

[lecinea]

Okay, I am going to butt in here, even if I don't really agree with the initial post (but remember, this is just a little meme, not a completely serious analysis). It seems to me that multiple groups of people in the fandom are currently completely talking past each other. I realize that I might've also made a couple of snarky vagueposts (so this is in no way me trying to have a 'holier-than-thou' attitude) because, I'll be honest, people insulting my intelligence and calling me an abuse apologist just because I like a certain fictional character does get on my nerves. But you seem open to having a discussion and I also disagree with a couple of things in your response, so let's talk.

But before I jump into your points, I do want to respond to the whole 'anti' thing. The whole drama with the canon Jiang Cheng tag started because it wasn't a tag that was created just to discuss 'his canon behavior from the source material'. As you put it, if that was the case, then the people who used it should've also been open to kinder takes about Jiang Cheng that were based on the source material. It was a tag that people primarily used to shit on the character and the people that dared to like him, and this has been going on for years now. I don't know you, but personally, I don't consider you an anti if you only made critical posts about Jiang Cheng, you are allowed your opinion. However, if you think that you hold the one truth about this fictional character and everyone else is either illiterate or evil, I would actually consider you an anti. I would think that is rather fair, no?

Now for your actual points, I do actually agree that Lan Wangji did speak out, but was ignored, but maybe you skip any mention of Jiang Cheng, because so did he. Before all the other sect leaders, he acknowledged that Wen Ning and Wen Qing helped him and Wei Wuxian out during the war, only to have Nie Mingjue shut him down immediately by shoving the annihilation of his entire sect in his face.

When it comes to the question of debt, I do think you forget that Jiang Cheng also lacked quite a bit of context and has no idea how large the debt is that Wei Wuxian owes to Wen Ning and Wen Qing. And I do realize you are talking about a different debt, but is Jiang Cheng really indebted to them? I think the problem lies in that context, we read everything that happened and therefore view the Wen remnants and the Wen that committed the massacre at Lotus Pier as separate entities. Jiang Cheng (and most of the cultivation world) do not. Remember that Jiang Cheng was unconscious for the vast majority of his rescue out of Lotus Pier and stay at the Yiling supervision office. He was only awake long enough to be sad about losing his core and panic because he thought that Wei Wuxian had fallen into a Wen trap before he was knocked out again by Wen Qing. He woke up three days later, when Wei Wuxian had already taken him away from the supervision office, and it isn't mentioned again in the text. So what does he actually actively know about their debt? He doesn't know that Wen Ning did not kill any Jiangs, he wasn't there when Wen Ning told Wei Wuxian this. Wen Qing had already knocked him out when she spoke about how she was hiding them from Wen Chao. What he knows is that the Wen murdered his sect, destroyed his golden core and then he and Wei Wuxian were in the yiling supervision office for a little bit. He might've even seen Wen Ning in Lotus Pier while he was being tortured (no textual evidence for that though, I admit, but to me, not unlikely given his reaction when Wen Ning walks into the room). Is it a debt when a group of people kill practically everyone you know, but not you and your martial brother? Doesn't the debt then already kinda cancel itself out? Wei Wuxian on the other hand has all of that information, so he does know the specific risks that the Wens took to hide them, and then assist him in the Golden Core transfer, so that is a major debt that he is very aware of. But nowhere in the novel it is mentioned how much exactly Jiang Cheng knows. Given everything that happens after the golden core transfer, it is very likely that they didn't discuss it in great detail.

The Jiang's position after the war is, in my view, mostly subtext. The entire sect was murdered, the only survivors that the book mentioned are the yunmeng trio. So the idea that Yunmeng Jiang's position was weak and unstable comes from the fact that it takes time to rebuilt, even with a large amount of new members. Newbies need to be taught, and there aren't many people around that can do that. The other reason is how the other sect leaders talk to Jiang Cheng. They call him the 'little sect leader Jiang' and they clearly don't respect his opinion. You don't do that to a secure leader (after the timeskip, in contrast, pretty much all of the sect leaders do treat him with respect). The lack of support can be traced back to the sworn brotherhood. Because no matter the reasons, if you have four great sects and two of the sect leaders of those sects swear a brotherhood with a member of the third, as the fourth sect leader, i would feel left out and very much unsupported.

But in the end whether or not Yunmeng Jiang was really weak and without support does not really matter. Because you are right, Jin Guanshan absolutely did use Jiang Cheng's insecurities against him. But is it really so ridiculous that the guy whose entire sect was murdered because they did something the most powerful sect around didn't like, is afraid of his entire sect being murdered because they did something the newest most powerful sect around didn't like? Because that is Jiang Cheng's reason for his whole public fight and disavowment of Wei Wuxian. It's what he tells Wei Wuxian, who agrees. And so do I. I think it's a logical line of reasoning and that Jiang Cheng's fears are incredibly valid. While their execution of Wei Wuxian publicly distancing himself from Yunmeng Jiang was, in my humble opinion, kinda stupid. They did think of that plan together. The way I read the novel, Jiang Cheng didn't abandon Wei Wuxian until Jiang Yanli died. 

I don't know if this will change your mind in any way, it's okay if it doesn't. This is just my point of view. But it are opinions that were developed while reading the novel. To write this reply I referenced the novel multiple times, to make sure that I got the context right. This is also canon Jiang Cheng. And our difference in opinion shouldn't matter, live and let live.

"why didn't lan wangji help wei wuxian during wei wuxian's first life? why didn't lan wangji use his own righteous reputation to help clear wei wuxian's name? why didn't lan wangji try to tell the world that wei wuxian wasn't raising a wen army?"

well.....