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39oa · 2 years ago

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(nonsensical hrpf data exercise) degree centrality graphing & other archive insights

intro/prior work

hello 🙇‍♀️ i'm not sure this post will make any kind of sense at all, but i love analyzing ao3 data and i especially find it fascinating in the realm of sports/hrpf because of the amount of player- and team-related attributes that offer dimensionality to fandom analysis when examined in parallel with archive metrics. i've already kind of done hrpf overviews on two separate occasions over the past year or so, but my method of collection differed in each instance and also always gave me new things to chew on and potentially explore, such as expanding on the link between player talent and shippability and whether high-draft picks have more fic written for them on average.

i most recently examined player data based on aggregated relationship counts since 2022, but this was a limited snapshot meant to piece together recent ficdom trends (see top ships since 01/01/22) and not be representative of fandom overall. basically, things i want to visualize/talk about now are:

hockey is so widespread as a sports fandom because there are 32 teams in the league, which when compared to a community like f1 makes it difficult to succinctly summarize primary relationships for. there is no self-contained grid of 20 drivers that remains generally fixed within a season, where every move in/out of that "roster" is highly reported upon and instrumental to fandom makeup, but instead a more amorphous network of malleable rosters featuring high-variance cascading orders of character visibility; in short, the difference between the most and least popular driver in f1 fandom is not the same as the difference between sidney crosby and that one ahl lifer who was called up to your 4th line two months ago because your team is utterly decimated and gunning for bedard.

Still: because rosters are so malleable and trades happen with some amount of frequency, and because hockey is still an "insular" ecosystem in terms of geographic accessibility and junior-age development (for better or worse; mostly for worse, but that's neither here nor there), players intrinsically have a low degree of separation between one another, whether it be as teammates now or as friends growing up in the ohl, ntdp, etc. i therefore wanted to take that a step further and look at it through fic metrics especially: can we use a summary of ficdom's real, tangible output and visualize it through a similar network? (+ where and how does that network differ from player connections in practice?)

back to the impact of draft pick # and assessments of talent relative to popularity, i also wanted to look at the most "successful" ships in ficdom from this network and evaluate the different distributions and impacts of their respective attributes. are certain player positions more popular? which nationalities are the most commonly shipped?

etc. But let's just get into it.

process

getting any kind of information from a 60%-locked fandom on ao3 is a nightmare and introduces a myriad of data-collecting limitations, so i do feel it important to disclaim that what i present in this post functions more in the realm of Approximate Interpretation and Potential Correlation than any actual 100% objective representation of fandom metrics.

a perceived limitation i have with character tagging metrics on ao3 is that they don't exactly reflect shippability; that is, if q.hughes is tagged as a character in a n.hischier/j.hughes fic, it gets attributed to his character tag but doesn't actually say anything about how many Relationship Fics exist for him on a whole. my best solution for this was essentially uncovering most of a player's relationships and summing their individual fic counts to create an approximate # of "relationship fics" for each player. so any kind of shippability graph going forward will use that metric.

i used ao3's relationship tag search and filtered by canonical in the men's hockey rpf fandom and only pulled relationship* fics ("/" instead of "&") with a min. of 20 works. ao3's counts are... Not the most accurate, so my filtering may have fudged some things around or missed a few pairings on the cusp, which again is why all the visuals here are not meant to show Everything in the most exact manner but function more so as a "general overview" of ficdom. although i did doublecheck the ship counts so the numbers themselves are accurate as of time of collection.

(*i excluded wag ships, reader ships, threesomes to make my life easier although i know this affects numbers for certain players, hc/gm ships, and any otherwise non-NHL Player ship. for ex., this eliminated anna kasterova/evgeni malkin, tyler brown/tyler seguin, and kyle dubas/william nylander, just to name a few)

all ship data was collected march 16, 2023.

PART 1. SC87 ship networking

when i first began this exercise i tried graphing ships for all the first-overall picks from 2003-2022 because i wanted to get an overarching sense of their connections. however, doing so made me realize that sidney crosby was by and far the most-connected node in the graph (and basically all hrpf in general) with a degree of 11, and that he was centering one huge component to which only two ships failed to connect (op/kj and slaf/xhekaj). basically:

so then i was like, right! let me instead use sidney crosby as my sole starting node, map out all ships with 20+ works from him specifically, take the players he connects to and map out their corresponding ships (excluding sid) and just keep iterating until i basically reach a final child node. through this, i yielded 112 ships and 98 unique players, with my final connecting node coming 9 degrees of separation away through brady tkachuk ↔ tim stützle/quinn hughes. unfortunately i can't actually host this little code snippet anywhere lol but i also wrote an input to check the pathways between any two players which was kind of fun:

here is the actual network graph with colors from automatically generated clustering, which doesn't really mean much but i thought was one nice way of presenting it. the edge width refers to the sum of fics for each ship and the node size refers to the degree, or number of ships, for each player.

i then also joined my player set with a dataset that included draft year, drafted team, position, etc... and through that color-coded the graph with the team each player was originally drafted to (i always struggle between using current team and draft team because which one matters more is super contextual, but... using draft team made my life easier this time so i hope it's still interesting.) here i only included colors for 13 teams that had 3+ players each:

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we can do a bit more analysis based on this specific sidcros network, like which players are the "most-shipped" or overviewing cross-team shipping tendencies:

but! of course, not ALL big hrpf ships lead back to sc87. using him as a central node essentially just helped me filter out excess "noise" when searching for relationship tags on ao3, because now i could exclude anyone connected to him at all (note: the relationship fics from my set equaled upward of 19,000 works, accounting for 60.4% of the entire men's hockey rpf archive) and hit other significant tags more efficiently.

through this method, i singled out a new set of 76 ships and 134 unique players (notice the significant decrease in overlap), which i then combined with my sid ships to create one massive set of Hockey Ships With Over 20+ Works On Ao3 that i could analyze holistically. no idea if this makes any sense but bear with me:

PART 2. general ship insights

i won't bore people with endlessly listing out ship rankings but here's the previous top chart with the new ships slotted in:

now for some overall player analysis!

first i wanted to look at how attributes like draft round, nationality, and position (F/D/G) are represented in the player set.

the nationality distribution is pretty close to all active nhl players this season, so there aren't major disparities there. however, the vast majority of players 1) were drafted in the first round and 2) are mostly forwards, with the forwards also seemingly reflecting the general philosophy of faster development/higher recent-round representation. we can take this overview a step further and actually examine the fic averages for each characteristic as a proxy for measuring shippability/ficdom popularity.

first, i scatterplotted all players by their draft pick and number of fic to (try and) show the heavy skew toward top picks (inspired by the gar draft pick value curve and other similar plots). this is... well, limited in many ways, and if i had an actually adequately large dataset i could specifically plot averages per distinct pick number and try to present something there, but the problem is that a lot of these later pick numbers only have like one player so there's way too much variance LOL.

but just for the sake of this exercise i excluded j.benn as an outlier and grouped fic averages by round (left below). again, noting the sample sizes, let's just say that first rounders on average seem to have the most fic written about them, even if it's not a particularly shocking insight. we can also try creating a histogram for "shippability" by draft year, binning here for every 2 years, to see which draft years appear to have had the most success (right below). note the peaks around 2005 and 2015, aka the sc87 and cm97 ~Generational Years~ 🤔

i've also been interested in figuring out which positions are commonly preferred—since centers are so often the faces of a franchise and are essentially the most sought-after position, and since goalies occupy a positionally static role/are less oriented toward contact (and the presumed homoeroticness thereof) in the way skaters are, is that reflected in the fic metrics as well? turns out: yes.

some ship analysis

learning more about player data in a vacuum is fun, but we also have all of this relationship data that lets us examine how different characteristics interact with each other, which is meaningful as well! for example, we know that forwards are heavily represented in the dataset, but is center4center the most common combination? or is there love for a franchise center and his beloved winger or the team's dependable 1d?

(fought for my life trying to figure out how to map this properly so please accept a horrible bar chart instead) as it turns out, the most common combination is centers/wingers, followed afterward by centers/centers. i don't know whether this really means much to me because i'd like to dissect the combos even further (is C/C more often 1C 2C or cross-team rivalry 1C shipping? are C/W usually linemates? etc.) but 🤷‍♀️ here's a graph.

i also distributed ships by their nationality combination, displaying to the surprise of no one a heavy preference (a whopping 66.4%!) for north american-exclusive shipping. i also thought stacking by "draft year" (= averaging the draft year between both players for each ship) offered some interesting insight into usa4usa shipping having slightly younger representation. also i do think usa/germany being singlehandedly driven up this chart by one family is remarkable and hilarious LOL.

also in the realm of draft year analysis, i wanted to look at draft year differences and whether fandom preferences seem to lie by way of same-age-ish pairings and In-Class Bicycling so to speak. graphing ships by these differences spanned a range of 20 years, with the oldest "age" (draft) difference being 20 years between zdeno chara and charlie mcavoy. overall, of 175 ships with a drafted player, 60.5% were drafted within 2 years of each other (18.2% in the same draft), and only 5% had a draft difference of 10 or more years.

then, of those 32 ships drafted within the same year, i distributed their counts by year to see which draft classes featured the biggest in-class clusters, leading us again to the Famed Class of 2015:

closing thoughts

i'll stop here :saluting_face: something else i had on the agenda that i don't really know how to adequately explore with this dataset is basically stanley cup champion stuff, e.g. looking at players and ships and fic counts from winning teams and how/whether a sort of "winning bias" has been trending down as of late (see the relative success of ships from teams like phi/ana compared to tbl/stl)—temporal data is so particular and difficult to wrangle with ao3 though so i'll have to let this one percolate a little bit.

finally, another thing (!) that i love examining is captaincy and how it often helps inform shippability; C/A/guyswithletters shipping obviously generously overlaps with being drafted early, high-impact players, some positional stuff like Young Star Center having the role foisted onto him, etc. and many of these aspects are immediately identifiable in top ships like 8771, 1634, 1386... just to name a few obvious ones. unfortch i don't really have the time or space to look at that here but it's something i'm still interested in maybe expanding on, and i also never ended up collecting actual skater *performance* data which would be super fun to eventually get to, e.g. mapping ficdom output to not just background identifiers like draft year/pick but also 1) actual tangible evaluations of player goals/points/(salary?!?)/etc. and 2) some dimension of draft outperformance/underperformance, which is pertinent for scenarios like late-round picks who have defied career expectations (see outlier jbenn having a shit ton of lifetime fic) AND early-round picks whose trajectories have not panned out as expected for whatever reason; often the ~tragic~ frustration of being a bust actually invites more narrative focus and scrutiny, but at the same time ficdom trends have pointed themselves to being attracted to many historic, talented, generational, and so on players, who more often than not are also winners, which potentially posits a need for some sustained line of access/visibility to high-expectation players significantly before they're regarded as "busts" in order to organically grow and generate initial interest that can survive the renewed reality of their situation. but who knows

again, i don't know whether any of this even makes sense or is interesting to literally anyone at all, but i personally enjoyed just dicking around graphing shit and getting to join a ton of tables together for absolutely no reason lol. that's all!

#(extremely long post warning)#*m #stats #>guy who needs to reflect

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icharchivist · 5 years ago

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Well since i’m left on my own to ramble about gendice, that game post i reblogged i’ll do it on my own alright under the cut then

Please feel free to ignore that, I just have a lot of gendice thoughts and this meme makes me want to put them to use.

1- Who is the most affectionate?

Both in very different ways. Dice would be the kind to be touchy without really an afterthought, like quick hugs and stuff like that. Gentaro is really affectionate though once in private and can be even more desperately clingy. In general though both of them seems to show their affection like this: Dice is straightforward and direct, if he wants to hug or say a compliment he will not think twice, while Gentaro would generally be more sly about it, disguising the way he shows his affection to not show how desperate he is for it.

2- Big spoon/Little spoon?

hhh i’m huge BigSpoon!Dice and LittleSpoon!Gentaro here. We know Gentaro canonically likes to snuggles against people he likes so i really could see him snuggling into Dice’s arms very easily.

3- Most common argument?

Tbh although they have a lot of lighthearted arguments i have trouble seeing where they could really be in a fight against each other. I guess the most commons are topics over Gentaro’s lying going a bit too far sometimes or Dice’s illegal activities being lectured about, but this rarely escalate.

4- Favorite non-sexual activity?

Singing together is an easy one, else I can see Dice dragging Gentaro into all sort of games with him which amuses Gentaro, else i love the idea of Dice watching Gentaro work.

5- Who is most likely to carry the other?

Huuuuummm Dice is heavier and generally described as more muscular with canon content (not my words, Nozuyama-san’s) so i’d be more inclined to him carrying Gentaro. That said, I can totally see the day Dice is doing Something Stupid and Gentaro will have to carry him in some way because Dice got hurt or something. Y’know the boy could do that.

6- What is their favorite feature of their partner’s?

Physical I guess? I mean i’m personally very big on their eyes so i’m inclined to project but i’d love it to be their smiles too - the way Dice’s is so wide and carefree and the way Gentaro’s lips just twists a bit when he lies before trying to hide it. I’m big emo for this.

7- What’s the first thing that changes when they realize they have feelings for the other?

For Gentaro, I think it could be a very mixed bag of both still wanting to connect with Dice and capture his attention more while also still keeping him at some sort of safe distances from him - eventual ruder lies for exemple, that he would regret almost immediatly despite Dice never truly being too concerned about them on the longterm. For Dice... I think he might drop earnest comment out of the blue. I could see him be really in denial for a long while though (i mean i kinda hc both are both oblivious and in denial over their own feelings which is fun) but idk i could see him just start to earnestly drop compliments out of nowhere. I kinda love the idea of his honesty throwing Gentaro off his rythm considering Gentaro does that with his lies in general.

8- Nicknames? & if so, how did they originate?

I mean. In Stella Gentaro calls Dice his Messiah. And he made him a king in this fantasy. And he previously made him his knight. Truly any of those could come back as a nickname at some point in their relationship. I’m especially found of Messiah though, it is so corny but it is so earnest. Dice doesn’t really seem to do nickname in comparaisons though - Gentaro plays more with identities than Dice do. Canonically he just once teased Gentaro by calling him Sensei so i could see Dice use this playfully. Eventually he could get carried away when Gentaro uses some nicknames on him and end up replying with what was Gentaro’s role in those parts, ie if Gentaro calls him his Knight, Dice would reply “well alright Princess”.

9- Who worries the most?

Gentaro. Dice gets involved in illegal activities just as easily as he’s breathing. At some point I think Gentaro can just expect the worst out of Dice’s situation at any present day and be just trying to prevent the worst. also tbh i’m very found of the idea of him possibly being terrified of his friends being sick which would just bring him back to think about how his childhood’s friend situation hadn’t improved, so i’d see that add to the list of worries, especially considering Dice isn’t exactly having a stable, safe life.

Dice tends more to worry when he’s confronted to a direct problem, not exactly letting himself pounder over them unless it’s right in front of his eyes. He knows the things to look out for and would directly react (say against Hifumi in general for exemple I can see him get wary) but he wouldn’t overthink about them. Unless Gentaro gets in danger in which case as long as it’s a direct danger, Dice would be directly freaking out.

10- Who remembers what the other one always orders at a restaurant?

Hummm inclined to think Gentaro since Dice “I don’t remember anything that isn’t of use for me for Gambling” is... less likely, but i do like the idea of Gentaro being the exception to that would their relationship deepen. But yeah I mean Gentaro had promised he’d write a story with Dice as its protagonist and we know he writes fanfiction of themselves lmao, I could see him observing carefully what Dice’s habits are to remember them for writting. a basic “it’s not that i care about you, it was writting reference” “ah” “that was a lie though.”

11- Who initiates kisses?

Huuuuuuuuuuum. A bit of both?? I just think Dice might just be more forward with them when he wants to. I am kinda weak to the idea of Gentaro trying to drop subtle hints before even thinking about leaning in. And with Dice’s obliviousness well at some point Gentaro does have to initiate something-

12- Who reaches for the other’s hand first?

Oh, Dice, without a doubt. My hc is mostly that Gentaro is very touch starved and clingy but he doesn’t specifically reaches out for that because well aside from his childhood friend he doesn’t seem to have much opportunity to trust people. I’d also see him be more concerned about not exactly showing PDA. While yeah, Dice would be forward with his emotions and feelings once he acknowledges them and he has very little care for what people might think of his actions. He’d be more inclined to show PDA in general, and at least hand holding is something Gentaro wouldn’t object to in public.

13- Who kisses the hardest?

*rubs chin* I’d be inclined to say Dice, again, straightforwardness while Gentaro might be more subtle and all. But i’m... very weak to the idea of Gentaro getting carried away when Dice though...

14- Who wakes up first?

Gentaro. Dice is more likely to be a nightowl with how he lives his life, while I could see Gentaro have a morning routine.

15- Who wants to stay in bed just a little longer?

A bit of both but mostly Dice. I have a very vivid image in my brain though at all time of Gentaro waking up first with Dice all entangled with him, and suddenly because of how enamoured he is he’d just grab a notebook and a pen nearby and write a bit of what this happiness can inspire him - cutting to later therefore Dice waking up all sleepy and just wrapping his arms further around Gentaro because why is he already busying himself it’s just morning com’on.

16- Who says I love you first?

*takes a deep breath* I don’t know, Gentaro “Dice and I were totally star crossed lovers in another life so now we’re soulmates and i may be attracted to Dice or perhaps i am lying ahahah unless? ;O”, who would?

The thing is that I don’t see Gentaro lowering down his defenses. Like even if he was willing to say he loved Dice, he would be a bit scared of exposing this vulnerable side and would immediatly backaway with a “that was a lie of course” of some kind. Honestly I can see Gentaro slip the I love You words first by complete accident, like heat of the moment, but immediatly covering them up.

For Dice.... I feel like the moment he would realize he’s in love it would be very hard for him to hold it in. He would be more straightforward and honest if he could but he cannot exactly be sure of what Gentaro wants so he would perhaps not step closer until he’s sure.

Tbh I just think it would end with Ramuda being the one who, at first, have a lot of fun with their bullshits but ends up being a bit fed up and tease them too far until they are in the same room and are pushed by him to do something about this tension or he’ll riot.

17- Who leaves little notes in the other’s one lunch? (Bonus: what does it usually say?)

Gentaro would take any opportunity to leave words anywhere. Some obscure poetry or sometimes just to mess with Dice specifically hard words he knows Dice would just be like “what the HELL was that”, but are actually all earnest in some way.

18- Who tells their family/friends about their relationship first?

Erg by all account Dice broke off with his family completely and we don’t really know much about Gentaro’s family (are they even real). If we take Gentaro’s song for truth though, i’d say Gentaro would talk about it to his family first.

As for their friends... not to be rude but like their only friend is Ramuda, and for Gentaro his bedridden friend and for Dice it’s Riou.

Like Ramuda would immediatly be all “...? You didn’t just figure it out did you? Like really? really??”. Also I think Ramuda would definitly bring it up before either of them could bring it up to him. Eventually i think they’d discuss it beforehand if they really wanted to tell Ramuda - as a teammate and friend who had to be made aware of it. But else if they are both not in relationship yet i think neither would tell Ramuda because they’d be worried both of breaking the dynamic of the Posse and terrified of Ramuda’s teasing. But they can’t escape those laters, as if Ramuda hadn’t noticed.

But yeah Gentaro would definitly talk about Dice to his bed ridden friend in some way way before Dice can talk about Gentaro to... any of his possible friends.

As much as I believe Dice is a very friendly person I don’t think he gets much private with people? He seems to have cut ties with his past all he could and considering the nightlife he tends to have i don’t see him having exactly stable friendships he would rely on outside of the Posse. Except Riou of course, with whom he had been closer than we’ve seen for others, but i don’t specifically see Dice going too private either rambling about his own personal life. I would love to be wrong though. Like I could imagine him slipping some infos about it out of the blue. Riou doesn’t pry so Dice just. slips things without thinking.

So yeah that makes Gentaro more likely there.

19- What do their family/friends think of their relationship?

Ramuda thinks they’re interesting and finds it entertaining to see how they hit off. He’d eventually joke even about having been the matchmaker there. Ramuda genuinely likes both of them whenever he’s ready to admit it or not (and you can fight me on that), so i think it would genuinely make him happy.

But also part of him would feel isolated, like a bit left out. It would bring him back to think about his past friendships and the people Ramuda had ended up separated with and that would leave a sour spot.Besides it might create some distances as in Ramuda would remind himself he brought them together because he wanted to use them, that they were just a Ephemeral Posse, and that if these two would carry on together, he would not in the end. I think it might be a truly hard balance for Ramuda and it would have him miss TDD even more. SO yeah mix of happy for them and a bit bitter though.

Gentaro’s friend .... all we know of him is the “that was all a lie” song by Gentaro so it’s hard to say but i’d be inclined to think that he’d be overjoyed that Gentaro is having more people he can be close to. Kinda the same reasoning for Gentaro’s parents.

Riou would be all the more supportive of course. He’s happy Dice has a such a close bound with his partener and I mean, the last drama track had Gentaro prove MTC that he’d jump first in Dice’s defense if needed. I think even if Riou was an enemy that day, he respected this loyalty, so hearing Dice would be in relationship with him would seem like a good thing, like we can rely on Gentaro at least.

If Dice is Otome’s son, which is a theory that is dear to my heart, I think she would be much more.... having problems with the relationship considering she seems to keep a close eye on Gentaro for some reasons. I personally HC that one of the reason Otome considers Ramuda unstable in the last drama track is that she feels like it was a taunt to have her son being agitated in front of her in a life or death situation along with one of the guys she’s been watching closely because he seems to hold secrets the gov doesn’t want to split. So by all account i think Otome would be displeased mostly because of her own agenda concerning Gentaro and be concerned for her son in some level. But yeah Dice isn’t exactly one to care for his family’s approval.

My hc about his relationship with Otome would she be his mom would be that she does love him and he loves her too but there is just... too big of a divide, an impossibility to understand each other, a wall between their ideals. I’d say she probably neglected raising him for instance to pursue her goals and while Dice may have got that it was necessary it still created a very hard to connect way. Depending on the reasons Gentaro is watched by the gov, i could see Otome come around for her son’s happiness, that’s what i mean by that. But I do think in general she would rather Gentaro not be around Dice all that much - as if Dice didn’t have enough trouble already.

Else if Dice has more regular parents i think it’s really up to anyone’s guess. And I didn’t really think about anything else than this hc so oops.

20- Who is more likely to start dancing with the other?

Dice. PDA argument again, and also because he seems to be much more the kind to start exhuberant moves and dance than Gentaro, and he would definitly want to drag Gentaro along with him. Like in SMT.

21- Who cooks more/who is better at cooking?

I believe Gentaro has more opportunities to cook than Dice does but i’m very weak about the idea of Dice being a good cook....LIKE SPECIFICALLy I would love the idea of Dice learning cooking skills from Riou and trying to cook for Gentaro. So like with all of Riou’s cooking, it is very good, even more tasty than normal food! but the moment Gentaro would learn the ingredients, he’d be like the rest of MTC about them. I love this HC a lot for the sheer ridiculous of thinking about Gentaro meeting up with Juuto and Samatoki to ask them how tf they eat Riou’s cooking and the three of them bounding over how “they can’t just tell them it’s disgusting that would break their heart”

22- Who comes up with cheesy pick up lines?

Geez I wonder, “we were star crossed lovers and now we don’t want to be apart” “there’s no way i could be attracted to you... well that’s a lie” “take me away with you, my messiah”, who the hell would be much more likely to use pick up lines i wonder huuuum?

I’d love Dice to try some pick up lines but they are much more generics in general. Gentaro is always up-pickingup him.

23- Who whispers inappropriate things in the other’s ear during inappropriate times?

Seems like a Gentaro thing to do (＾ಠᆺಠ＾)

24- Who needs more assurance?

Gentaro. Dice is much more self assured and has no care about what people think of him. I think Gentaro still is... less able to do so.

I also feel like... so because of those No Longer Human stuff, I hc that Gentaro is more likely to have clang to this bit of fiction a lot to give himself strength, so a lot of the way he perceive his confidence could be limited to how much he can fits the narrative that had helped him cope with the world so far. which can bring to such disturbance like against Hifumi where those specific coping are mocked.

Besides as i’ve mentioned in the past somewhere in the past that all of Gentaro’s interraction with people always come down with Gentaro specifically seeking for a safespace with Dice - refusing to be exactly confronted to people alone. Adding to that the fact the lies are most likely a protection against others (see the NLH analysis), and it feels more that all of Gentaro’s “assurance” is mostly a reflect that he.... isn’t that good with it.

In comparaison to Dice it does stand out yeah because Dice just. doesn’t care. At all. about what people may think. the guy would go all in on a gamble without even doubting his cards even one second, so eah i mean.

25- What would be their theme song?

Stella huh okay perhaps using a canon song isn’t the most clever idea there but i’d like to say I have a full gendice playlist on spotify that I update from time to time so that gives 67 titles to chose from. (i’m also just seeing i have One person subscribed to that playlist and im *surprised pikachu*)

But some of my favorite are definitly Do I Wanna Know by Artic Monkey (the “ace in your sleeve”? the endless “not knowing what the other think”? ayay) and Sick of Losing Soulmates by Dodie.

But like i said i have 67 titles fitting them so (＾ಠᆺಠ＾)

26- Who would sing to their child back to sleep?

?? both??? Their duets are when they are both so much on the same vibe, same rhytm- for something like that, why would they try to pick one?

27- What do they do when they’re away from each other?

Dice is probably lost in a casino trying to regain a bit of thrill (i’m very weak to the idea of love being a whole new kind of a thrill for him and making it.... somewhat shallow to come back to casino sort of thrill)

Gentaro is most likely writting (and I am very weak of the idea of his feelings and emotions for Dice slipping through the pages as well. I’m also very huge on the idea of one day this showing before him and Dice got in relationship and people pointing out “Gentaro-sensei seems to have changed his way to write love, do you know why?” and instead of realizing that it is because of him Dice gets jealous of the random fictional character everyone is saying that about in Gentaro’s new level, obviously not realizing it is basically Him. I have a lot of headcanons.)

28- one headcanon about this OTP that breaks your heart

Usually I have no hcs about any of my ships but with them i have too much hcs so this is hard to pick one??? and I feel like i forgot them all on the spot (＾ಠᆺಠ＾) I think... ultimately i think neither of them would be willing to make the first step in their relationship because there is too much self loathing going on and i HC both would consider they’re unworthy of the others. Both of them have refered to themselves as worthless people not worth having around, Gentaro always say he’s too twisted, Dice considers the way he decided to live his life to be a rotten one, even if he owns up to it.

And I think it would enter in consideration with how they approach their feelings of both thinking the other definitly deserves better than themselves and therefore... not stepping forward at all.

And the more they’re in love, the more this self hatred would be strong because they cannot impose the “twisted person” they are to the other, not like that. That would be too selfish.

Ever read Visting Hours by Kitaa on ao3? Go read that. This is at least very good in showcasing exactly what I mean for Dice because I love Kitaa’s work and we agree a lot on characterization of those two. For Gentaro i could go in length about it specifically but yeah.

And I think it kinda breaks my heart to believe they would... truly think of themselves so lowly. Not taking into account how the other may love them because they are too worried about how their own feelings and how they cannot impose it on the other.

29- one headcanon about this OTP that mends it

But that with all of that there is still something that always bring them back to one another, like two broken pieces of the same set that was supposed to be whole. (borrowed from Kitaa’s other fic, Things Remembered, go read this one too. I. really love Kitaa’s work.)

That together it just.. clicks.

And even if they may worry about their self worth when they’re apart, when they’re together there is so much.. euphoria about enjoying each other’s presence that all those doubts disappear for the sake of enjoying the present moment with each other. Loving each other so much they forget what hating themselves feel like, you feel me?

Anyway obviously those hcs are mine and may be changing with time but that’s a pretty solid showcasing.

Anyway i love them bye

#ichatalks about hpm #ichashipping 7ph #ichablogging hpmhc #ichablogging 7ph hc #*finger guns*#i also have like two graphs about them in my drafts but i'm not sure i'll post them #but yea #i have emotions don't mind me

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