#i also dont want to just make agency come here cuz i care abt the people i work with lol
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super-done-dead · 1 year ago
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oh my poor mum finding out i have a whole 7 hours im not working on christmas day. lol
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sweetsparadise · 2 months ago
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about that ask thats like 'u post lolis!!!'
i think people fail to realize moe entirely as a genre and style is lolicon and its like getting angry at meat in a kfc. they are infact the intrusion getting into something now that is cool and then getting angry at things there since day 1 . pre covid anime community i miss you so much!!!
ur so right cuz im literally jst squeeing over cute moe girls like the rest of thm!!! i jst happen to call loli characters lolis, bc they literally are n theres nothing wrong OR inherently sexual with loli character design!!! u guys literally LIKE IT!!! theyll like it n say "aw wish this wasnt pedobait" like... bro ur literally telling on urself, to like the art, n then imply the art is meant to appeal to pedos...??? im not attracted to thm (or much of anything for that matter cuz this troublesome thing called depression) or attracted to ero chibi art i just.... like them ;_; with junko mizunos art for example, it doesnt come off as something ur meant to get off too despite featuring lotsa titties. i just love an artful mix of ero n kawaii!!!!! like when dudes had pinup posters, u think theyd get a boner looking at em everytime? that they put em up to get off to? no!! pinup is more overtly sexual n even then its main purpose is to be ART appreciating the beauty of the feminine form!!!
so heres my philosophy on erokawa. FIRSTLY the "ero" doesnt have the typical english meaning in the sense that it is MEANT to arouse, just that it involves sexuality or nudity, basically. heres some examples of what i consider n enjoy as erokawa/erochibi (under the read more to be considerate of minors or those who jst dont care to see, but its pretty much only implied nudity)
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these characters have no age in my mind (the artist usually doesnt have one in mind either) it doesnt even cross it, ESPECIALLY FOR CHIBIS. i do not think abt the age of a subject unless the artist clearly wants u to. u cld have a chibi grandma n still have ppl calling it a child bc they are so uninformed abt chibi n what it is. they are not even human to me (its literally refered to as super deformation, basically as inhuman n unrealistic as possible) some ppl treat literal drawings as things with agency n act as if they have feelings n thats jst incredibly weird to me, but its fine to be that way as long as u arent imposing it on other ppl. if only we cld all jst live in peace o(╥﹏╥)o
also, this is a long ass post already but i have more to say on ppls hypocrisy. if ur gonna block me for liking erokawa, go ahead n block sanrio too!!! theyve done SOOO many collaborations with artists who then go right back to drawing erokawa, straight up pinup or even hentai (ie their super sonico collab) as well as slightly sexualizing their own characters even. i have pleeeeeenty of evidence of this if anyones intrested lol. i actually have like, at least 5 officially liscensed n approved sanrio drawings embracing panty shots x3 ...anyway thanks to anyone for actually reading this, especially if it makes u reconsider the way u view some things :3 i hope ppl will understand my perspective, but the most i can ask for is that ppl stop accusing me of disgusting things ( ;´ - `;)
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lovleez · 4 years ago
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oner 《恶浪》 mv/film theory
(this is less of a theory and more of a debunking of the mv though)
warnings: mentions of violence, murder (i wont include gifs of the bloody moments but it will be discussed!!!), animal abuse, and a bomb or two ? (someone gets blown up ;-;)
honestly the debunking might get a lil bit dark around the ling chao and ziyang individual parts, so be warned of that!
it would be helpful for you to watch/listen to these to process whats going on here:
oner 《恶浪》 mv (cw blood, murder, animal abuse, & heavy violence - please dont watch if these are triggers for you!!!) (there’s also eng subs in this link ^^)
oner - AGENT  (this is a song, but there’s quite a bit of dialogue near the end that ties into this plot!)  (cw gunshot, beeping noises that resemble a bomb ?? - all at the end of the song w/ the dialogue)
okay lets dive into it d(^-^)> !!!
to get the important info out of the way!
the start of the mv shows the three of them chilling on the couch, as friends do, watching,,well themselves on the screen (oner’s past performances as idols) (and i do believe that the idols part of this has some significance that i can figure out). the important takeaway from the beginning rlly is that they’re three good friends...who are completely unaware of each other’s secret occupations
their occupations being: ziyang, a murderer, yueyue, a spy, and ling chao, a hacker
now to jump into the main story! (starting around 1:35)
yueyue and ziyang both have the same target: the man in the restaurant. however yueyue gets there first and does his job well, as he gets away without being caught. ziyang is frustrated that his target is taken already.
*interesting detail here, but when trying to enter, ziyang shows them a ring with a purple jewel in the middle for entry,,,coincidentally, the man yueyue kills in the bar in his personal segment in the film later also has the same ring? obv the ring is for the restaurant entry so maybe ziyang wasn’t going to kill this “boss” but maybe negotiate/discuss something with him instead...but also thats disproven by the fact that ziyang pulled out a gun to presumably shoot him before realizing the dude was dead....
but also,,,suspicious how there was a zoom in to the purple ring when yueyue kills the man in the bar..maybe it means more than we think it does? altho im not too sure what  to think abt it for now
     for reference:
     ziyang’s ring                                    
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     dead man in bar’s ring
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moving on 
okay so since yueyue is a spy n all, he has to confirm his kill somewhere right? this somewhere is a phone booth,,,one that ling chao has rigged up with a bomb,,,,
speculation: someone hired ling chao to kill someone who will be approaching the phone booth; at this time, lc doesn’t know that this someone is yueyue (and is v shocked to see him there through his cameras as evident by his “what the hell! are you kidding me?”)
....and after this part the film dives into their personal stories to give more background on who  these three are (i’ll expand on those after i finish explaining the present timeline ^^) before coming back to the main story 
so!
ling chao “accidentally” blew up yueyue oh no (he’s still alive tho yey)
& then yueyue holds up a piece of candy,,,and immediately knows its ling chao (cuz its the piece of candy lc was eating earlier in the film) 
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(and to take care of all loose ends that my brain is providing me with: in the beginning they didn’t know abt each other’s secret occupations...how does yueyue know that lc is capable of doing this? my answer: they used to be agent buddies!!! i’ll expand on this later hehe)
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and so
it was at this moment ling chao knew...he fucked up
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he’s afraid yueyue might come after him.
which, is exactly what yueyue does
after going home or somewhere, yueyue receives a text telling him to get rid of “them” (ling chao) bc his “identity is exposed” 
....so now yueyue has to go and hunt down his buddy ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
and they fight! looks very painful for ling chao,,,poor dude,,,
since ziyang comes out from the back door to join the fight, theres two possibilities that come from this:
1) ling chao knew yueyue was coming and knew he couldnt take him down himself (lets be honest; he looks rlly scrawny) so he called ziyang to his location for backup (how could he know ziyang can fight? agent buddies 👐) 
2) ziyang and ling chao live together in the same house
anyways, both results making it obvious that ling chao and ziyang are on the same team while yueyue is on another (lets ignore the fact that ling chao was getting up to fight ziyang as well)
the fight scene is so dramatic oml T-T
ziyang could also be motivated to beat up yueyue in this fight cuz the dude did  take his target before he himself could (loophole: how did ziyang know it was yueyue who took his target? answer: maybe yueyue left like a signature or smthn at the crime scene, or ziyang saw him walk out  ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ )
and when they all beat the living heck out of each other and are dramatically lying down in different areas of the room 
the tv turns on to a council saying “still want to be idols?”
(and remember, the thing they were watching on tv earlier was themselves performing,,,as idols. i cant connect it further than that so lemme know if yall figure smthn out ^-^)
so mayhaps this council is yueyue’s agency and they wanted to turn the trio against each other...? they would have set this whole situation up: they knew ziyang wanted to kill the restaurant “boss”, so they assigned yueyue to take care of him first, which creates conflict between those two. then, they hired ling chao to rig up a phone booth with a bomb; basically setting him up against yueyue
whether this council succeeds with their plan or not is unrevealed bc the film has a “to be continued” at the end, so the storyline still will have more to it!!!
although i would say the council succeeded since they all did beat each other bruised and bloody
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that leaves the question: why  is the council setting them up against each other?
what are there previous connections beyond them just being friends 👀 ?
and here i shall bring back the “agent buddies” bit i was talking abt earlier, as well as why i linked the agent song in the beginning
near the end of the mv, there’s quite a lot of dialogue between the three of them, and it goes like this:
[robotic voice: welcome agent oner
ling chao (?): check 
yueyue: yo what up guys!
ziyang: yo what up bro
ziyang (yueyue?): alright lets take them out
yueyue: okay gentlemen we got a lot to do
ziyang: ey we gotta finish this quick, i got a date tonight
yueyue: really?
ziyang: no hard feelings (couldnt catch the rest)
yueyue: okay shut up
ling chao: hey guys, i saw a hit
(?): copy that
yueyue (ziyang?): hold your breath....now
ling chao: guys watch out
yueyue: okay guys locked and loaded
*single shot can be heard, then the reloading of a gun*
yueyue (?): go go go!
yueyue: fire fire fire!
yueyue: ???? *indistinguishable orders*
ziyang?: i got trouble i got trouble
yueyue: ?? i got ?? lets go
ling chao: stay together
ziyang (yueyue??): okay set to kill
ling chao: damn the truck is (blown?)
yueyue: what the hell
ziyang: okay let me (???) it
*bomb beeping noises*
yueyue: ???? clean this blood on my shirt]
(not sure how accurate my hearing is but its enough to make some guesses 😅)
agent buddies! the three of them used to be agents, as the song is titled, at some agency...and they probably made a pretty strong team together
the agency story would explain why they all seem to be good fighters too!
thats why the council might have wanted to tear them apart. perhaps the council was doing something that they knew would displease the trio, so they needed them separated lest they team up and try to defeat them 
i also think this audio could have been describing a mission going wrong for them, possibly their last one as a team. someone was probably hurt (im betting on either ziyang or ling chao), and they quit the agency and aimed to live normal lives from then on
...but old habits are hard to forget, so ziyang starts to kill ppl in his free time, yueyue joined another agency as a spy, and ling chao uses his hacking skills for other purposes
however they all dont tell each other, which could add on to the tension of their fight at the end of the film
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now to dive into their individual bits of the film. these all don’t connect much to the main lore, just expands onto their lives with their secret occupations btw!
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YUEYUE
his segment details moments in his daily agent life; im guessing he’s not very happy with it judging by his nightmares? or the nightmares are bringing up his past at his old agency which he does not like
he’s also master of disguise woah
personally i think he’s losing “who he is”. he’s always playing the role of another person, always putting on another disguise...so he starts losing his sense of identity (if that makes sense ;-;) 
(and if you wanna stretch it and make things wholesome, maybe the only times he [feels like himself] is when he’s around his two friends)
so basically: he’s always filling out other personas to the point where he doesnt know who he is anymore
(this is also the segment where he kills a man in the bar with poison,,,and the man was wearing the same ring as ziyang,,,,which is like Hm. why’d the directors do that 🤔)
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ZIYANG
aka the murderer :D
(and not just regular serial killer type, more like joker-esque type where they’re a bit insane,,,)
okay his segment starts of with him dragging a man through a white room, where the floors is covered with plastic, and on the walls are a bunch of clay molds of human body parts
:D
my brain has concluded that! ziyang takes clay and makes molds of his victim’s faces/body parts of who he kills! to make statues! 
(i dont even know how i got there aksjdhdh but thats just what i assumed the first time i watched this film thingy)
and to make it more messed up than it already sounds,,,im guessing he’s a famous statue maker too, and holds shows where he presents his works to the public and maybe even bids them off ?
     ,,,,little did the audience know,,,,
          (this kinda remind me of sally and gabe’s statue from the pjo too now aksjhdkdh)
(i got this assumption from 6:50 in the film where he walks out in front of an audience who start clapping,,,and let my brain run wild with the rest,,,)
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of course, he probably kills off the people he was the molding the clay off of once he’s done with his works,,,or sometimes even in the middle of his works as shown in the mv (*-* )
but alas that is not all to his story,,,
judging by his flashbacks when he’s beating that one dude to death with a bat, he used to be bullied when he was in school, which seems to be the source of all his anger throughout the film..
    ( yeah he killed the bullies too (_ _ )> )
its part of his personality to be rough and short tempered - he doesn’t like people looking down on him (as the bullies did)
and,,,if you want to be wholesome again! perhaps he found some bits of happiness and peace when hanging out with the others :]
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LING CHAO
cw: animals abuse!!! 
his is pretty simple and is already explained in the mv itself! i’ll walk ya’ll through it though in case you didn’t watch the film tho akdjdjkf
basically: he’s just a dude who loves dogs :]
a lot
in his segment, a girl (handong, looking absolutely stunning ToT) approaches him wanting to take home another stray, and when he asks her where how the previous dog she adopted was doing, she says that “my bestie loved him a lot, so i gave him to her” ( -_- )
so...he lets her keep the dog, but also decides to keep an eye on her...to the point where she becomes very paranoid that someone is stalking her (which..she isnt wrong in)(but she doesn’t believe it to be ling chao because they’re..dating? i think? and he lulls her into a false sense of security that he’ll protect her from harm)
and then bam! one day he breaks into her house, steals the dog away, and then,,,,blows her up,,,,,
(i must say as disturbing this scene is,,,,i absolutely adore ling chao’s look here askjdjfd)
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(i mean?? look at him?? loving the black lipstick ugh)
(v pale tho ;-;)
okay anyways the next flashbacks reveal that handong was abusing her dogs & starving them, and him being the animal lover he is, decides to kill her for it ig
(also she,,,stabbed the other dog that she “gave to her bestie” so-)
yeahh thats the end of his story; nothing much to take from it except that his hacker skills are still intact past agent days 
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annnd thats a wrap folks! nothing else to expand on; i’ll definitely make another part to expand on this if they decide to release another mini film in the future tho :]
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cloudsspoke · 6 years ago
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Reason why Shinhwa is Problematic group
So last nite when I scrolled over twitterland, i stumbled upon this tweet from one of shinchangs that I followed, 
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and curiosity kicked me in, and i searched to know what happen and found that this girl from that fandom questioning the legend status of shinhwa on her tweet, and not only that she also said shinhwa is problematic group, after she found the post from this tumblr page offensivekpop.tumblr.com that referred to shinhwa-suju’s indian dance during shinbang and fact that shinhwa used many n-word for their songs.
I am all okay if not everyone willing to acknowledge Shinhwa as LEGEND. The title will be forever as a subjective matter, its up to personal preference. Reason to call a group LEGEND will be different cuz we can see it from many point of view. Eventho generally speaking SHINHWA and other KPop 1st gen group deserves to get the LEGEND title, and no one should questioning why or throw the should they question.
But what makes me itchy is, to call Shinhwa as problematic group because of the weak reason stating the indian dances and n-word. Its all happened in the past duh. Why still digging it? If wanna accuse shinhwa, better to give more valid, strong, legitimate reasons. And for indian dance itself, did it sparked controversy too back then, 6years ago when JTBC aired that eps? I dont think so. Was there any articles like from soompi, koreaboo, allkpop, dispatch and other salty medias? I googling it and the only one who brought it and took it as offensive was this anonymous person who submitted to the offensivekpop itself (x) . And about the usage of N-word. Duh. I dont wanna start write abt this. Cuz isnt the main reason why I write this post.
So, left aside the girl from that fandom who called Shinhwa as Problematic group, for me myself, I can add more reason if I want to justify the girl’s statement...
SHINHWA is SURE A PROBLEMATIC GROUP.. They have this 20years together.. And from stories which came from their own mouth make me admit if shinhwa def have problem with their behaviour.. And why is that?
1. They rejected the idea of SM recycled the group if 2nd jib happened to be failure too, and agreed to end their idol career and cont pursued their education. How can a rookie group thinking like that? So problematic ever since day 1.
2. They never care to listen to what people said when they insisted that they are still 6 members, that Andy still be the part of Shinhwa when people were delighted to see Shinhwa as a perfect 5-members idolgroup.
3. Try watch their HEY COME ON messed up performance for KBS. What on earth ? Who the hell do they think they are?? If this wasnt an act that show how problematic they were, then for me its a valid proof of how snob they were. Sigh.
4. Again, they rejected the renewal contract from SM because they knew some members didnt get it, or they knew SM treated them unfairly. As problematic as it may sound, Shinhwa loves to put themself into a problematic situation because of their stubborness. How dare they were to be the 1st group who left big agency like SM? Did they know the risk and consequences??
5. And how about the fact that Shinhwa members peed behind the tree and waved their hands to greet fans who saw them did this? And how can they always bragged over their drunk stories? Bragged that they won the sexy dance competition? Seriously, Shinhwa? Are you immature or crazy or what ? Ah, no. Problematic. No wonder if other fandom sees you as a problematic group.
6. And dont let me start to talk about how heartless, how cold the way Dongwan treats sasaeng. Sprayed them with coldwater? Throwed them with stuffs? Scolded them for 2hours? Forced them to do physical workout like sit up, etc as a punishment for keep on coming to the dorm? Cmon, dude you are idol. Thats not how you treat fans!
7. Another reason to accuse Shinhwa as problematic group can be seen from the earlier days of how they did an interview. Its a total chaotic. Ruckus. Commotion between members here and there. Shouting for no reason. Nonstop bickering over silly stuffs even when they knew the camera recorded everything. None from members gave serious answer and showed their respect to the host/VJ/reporter. Shinhwa always play with themself, no matter they were, be it in stage, behind the stage, in the midst of interview, photoshoot, you named it. 
8. Dont forget the fact that Shinhwa is the only group ever released seminude photobook. Like. WHAT THE HECK? No idols showed their butt to the fans so confident like Shinhwa. Such an exhibitionist. And they were also the one who started the beast-Idol trend. Showed off their abs during Only One. Ugh. Dongwan’s choco yummy abs. Ugh.
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Im sure other than 8 stuffs that I already wrote above,  there are still many legitimate reason out there that we can use to accuse Shinhwa as problematic, one big crazy old-idol group. But call us blind, we still love them that much, in fact we love Shinhwa because of that reason. If other fandom failed to see the good in Shinhwa, unable to see how precious Shinhwa is, then let them have that salty oh-so-wrong opinion towards Shinhwa. We, Shinhwa Changjos, just stay together protecting uri oppadeul, just like what Dongwan said, that SHCJ is the Knight of SHINHWA. That we will do everything for the sake of SHINHWA. Cuz we know, world outside SHINHWA is a dangerous one. So we choose to stay inside Shinhwa.....
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