#i actually wrote a lot more yesterday adressing some more stuff but deleted like half of it today
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resssistance · 3 years ago
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I know that my opinion, as a one Shoma fan in a midst of shomaposting, can be easily dismissed for bias reasons. But I still want to say some things regarding this ask and one of the previous ones (sorry about hijacking your asks again @petitmimosa 🙏)
Okay. Was what Shoma had said about young women right? No. It's not okay to call all of them stupid or scary or boycrazy, essentially. He shouldn't have said that. Yes, people can take offence with it and stop supporting him, it's totally valid. As a woman myself, I'm not a fan of the things he said either. But as said above, most (not all) people like bring this up not as a good faith argument, but as a reason to hate on him, to justify their takes on how he doesn't deserve anything he achieves etc.
Because if those people truly cared about the morality of this situation, they should've also mention how in the same breath he said that he hates animals, hates kids; doesn't like relationships and people in them, doesn't really have deep connections with other people, he doesn't trust them; the world isn't good and he doesn't like humans in general; doesn't understand and doesn't like himself.
And this is the guy that was put under a lot of pressure and expectations he didn't know how to manage; haven't been doing well for a while before it; parted with coaches who'd been practically raising him; decided to go coachless after all tries; didn't enjoy skating and was thinking about retirement; probably some other things we don't even know about. A couple of months from that IDF 2019 happened.
Does all of this tells you something about the place he was in at that moment? Don't you think it's shoud've been more of a concern? Does this give you, not an excuse, but a different perspective on why he said some things he might not necessarily truly believe in? Does any of this gets mentioned when you ask on twitter (and here too) why people shit on him so much? No, you only get 'yeah, he's a fucking misogynist, he said he hates women, probably just an incel'. And he's a public figure, he will never be free of it, apology or not. You know, 280 characters still can allow some nuance, but only if you want to. Mental health awareness my ass.
And just to be clear, you absolutely can criticize the things he said and be upset with him for that. Hell, you have plenty things to criticize his skating for, he's not some flawless skater and a lot of his fans are aware of that, I promise. You can criticize his scoring too (but also remember that skaters are not at fault for scoring issues). You can also just dislike him for no particular reason, it happens too. But it should not be used to justify all that venom and hatred people put out in the open because he outplaced their fave or just because they feel like it today. That's where the problem is.
If eventually it'll turn out he is a misogynist after all, I will put my clown wig back on and will shut up forever. I won't support him anymore. You won't hear a good word about him. This is not about blind support.
But I also want to remind you, that we could never know for sure, is he like this or not at his heart. We are not his friends, not his family. We only see the persona people put out in the world, we can never truly know if people are who we think they are. Someone can be any -ist possible and you would never tell. You can only hope your judgement of the character is right. And I choose to give Shoma benefit of the doubt and believe in him, until something can change my mind.
Quickly adressing another thing: if at any point Marin will say that she was mistreated in any way by Shoma (which relationships, mind you, have not been confirmed by them much less the details and dates that also are none of our damn business), I couldn't be supporting him anymore either, obviously. Not with the passion I am now, not with my heart, not in good faith and with clear conscience. And I will fly to Nagoya/ Champéry to kick his short ass myself. (But for now, please, let's not call a 17yo Shoma predatory for something sounding like a joke, that he might or might not have even said on some dinner between families)
sorry to bring back the shoma videogame shit, but i would say that it's not completely insane of people, especially women, to be offended by what shoma said, and i mean, you can stop supporting/not support an athlete for like literally any reason. but at the end of the day it's up to people to decide who they want to support and what they choose to accept, the same way that there's people still supporting nathan after his lowkey homophobic remarks (one could argue that well, nathan unlike shoma apologized, but we all know that that apology was scripted af). i'm rambling a bit but basically i think we can understand why people dislike shoma, the same way i don't think we should frame people who like shoma as like, disgusting misogynists lmao
My issue is how they keep bringing this up like they just need a reason to hate on him, when the boy has said nothing in over 3 years and otherwise has never shown any misogynistic behavior.
That's how the world works nowadays though, make one mistake and you're done.
#the 'your feelings are valid your bullshit behavior is not' response#tl;dr if you want to hate him - hate him for himself and not for the abridged twitter version#go read the transcripts and make up you own mind. if you still don't like him that is alright too#but if you want to use it as a shield to crap on him because you don't deem him worthy or he's not yuzuru or some other shit -#- consider taking a walk or just breath some fresh air it helps#shoma uno#@petitmimosa you can throw a carrot at me for this haha#i actually wrote a lot more yesterday adressing some more stuff but deleted like half of it today#cause wanted to stick to most needed context and not wash it out#(like it's 'you brain fully develops at 25' until you don't like the person and they are already fully formed adult that should know better#and i cooled down and have much better day and some things sounded too passive-agressive which is not the way i want it to be#it still feels salty tho isn't it? or just defensive?#well don't think i can do more about it#i prefer not to look at the discourseTM (not only this one just in general)#because they are rarily productive and people go there with their mind made up not wanting to even consider the other side of the argument#so it's a useless waste of time and nerves and energy and i don't have any to spare#but this shoma stuff resurfacing again and again with less details every time.. i pretend it does not exist most of the time#it just caught me in the right(wrong) mood this time#i doubt any shoma haters still follow me tho with all my shomaposting so they won't even read this lmao
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