#hypnocon

[dalhyp]

Is HypnoCon happening this year?

Yes! HypnoCon is happening! Let me give you some of the details:

When: Friday, October 11th - October 13th

Where: Best Western Adams Inn Quincy-Boston 29 Hancock Street, Quincy, Massachusetts 02171, United States

The discussions on Saturday and Sunday will take place at the Above the Eagle’s Nest 257 Weybosset St, Providence RI. It is about an hour away from the hotel. The hotel was unable to provide a meeting room.

The cost is free, however donations are appreciated.

Join the HypnoCon Discord Server: DM me for an invite.

[arihi]

Beguiled

I’ll be at Beguiled in just about two weeks now! Who else that still roams Tumblr is going? It’ll be my 30th birthday that weekend and it’ll be great fun to see old and new friends.

[the-hypno-den]

Hey guys!

I'm looking at going to the Charmed Hypno Con for 2024.

I'm looking at crowdfunding to help cover a portion of the cost.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

https://gofund.me/deb8c4d5

Also:

More context is coming out soon!

[ellaenchanting]

Hypnovember Day 19: Elevator

This was one of Zoe's favorite parts of a hypnocon- trading trances with a friend just to see how many creative ideas they could come up with. The only downside (upside?) was that this far into experimentation, they were both REALLY fractionated. The feeling reminded her of giggly slumber parties- when tiredness and manic energy combined into the most absurd, chaotic kinda of fun.

"I have one!" her friend Ivy said, already laughing to herself at her thought.

Zoe shifted, dreading/enjoying her friend's glee.

Ivy raised her hand up to Zoe's gaze and cupped her fingers in a clear, nonverbal gesture: 'focus here'.

After so much fractionation, Zoe felt herself instantly comply.

"Have you ever ridden the Tower of Terror at Disney World?" Ivy asked.

Zoe nodded. She guessed where this was going- preparing herself for a quick, fun drop.

"You don't go down first, of course," Ivy started. "Not from the beginning. What happens first?"

Zoe remembered the Tower from her middle school trip- and the ride's building anticipation.

"You go up," she replied.

Her friend nodded. "You go up," she confirmed. As she spoke, her hand moved upwards.

'But I'm already awake', Zoe thought as she followed the hand.

But her fractionated mind seemed to know exactly what to do. As she focused, she felt herself beginning to gain some energy.

The hand continued rising. "And more up!"

And even more energy. Zoe felt her shoulders straighten.

"And further," said Ivy, animatedly. "Maybe like you've had some espresso."

Zoe felt it. Her gaze kept rising with the hand.

"Even further!" her friend said excitedly.

"Like two shots! Three!"

They hit Zoe- all those shots and she was feeling almost jittery.

"Even more!"

Now Ivy stood up, hand rising even further and faster raising above her head.

Zoe felt herself pulled on her feet too: attention rapt, body engaged, buzzing and curious.

So intensely focused.

Up on her toes now.

"And then- you wait!"

The hand paused.

Zoe stared at it, eagerly.

She knew she couldn't look away.

Somewhere, her body recalled a hovering sensation- precarious and high and anticipating.

"And then..."

A long pause

"DROP!!"

The hand plunged down as Zoe followed it, mind and body instantly collapsing into trance.

Distantly, Zoe felt her friend catch her limp body- cradling her and holding it steady even as she kept falling and falling and

falling and

falling

Tagging @mentat101posts @thekinkycocktailclub @jam-and-stuff

[misscammiedawn]

Charmed 2024 Outfit Poll!

It's that time again. Votes for this year's outfits!

I Shall Wear Midnight

Featuring a top hat gifted by Goddess Lady Ru'etha, a shawl and sprig of lavender crafted by Daja, a clasp crafted by Linny Bee and a pendant bought from Noelle. This is Miss Dawn's enchanted item filled with tokens of power. You will be mesmerized by this new witchy look from Dawn.

Miss Dawn's Teaching Outfit

Paired off with Daja's Lovely Assistant outfit, Dawn taught the 2024 version of "Utilizing Presence in a Scene" with this green and red outfit. Pictured with and without jacket.

Pink Pyjamas

Formal sleepwear for those who are tired and need to get their rest in before the next day of the event.

The Footie's On

Cammie and Craig are sportsball humans and Craig watched the Chelsea/Fulham game with Daja (Cammie watched Packers/Cowboys) and brought his strip. A gift from Daja and Sleepyhead. Rare photo of us boymodding. Albeit we don't really try to appear masc when Craig fronts.

Sunrise's Outfit

WINNER OF THE 2023 BEST OUTFIT AWARD - A lovely green velvet dress for a somft sweetling. This year worn for the "Non-visual fixation" class that she demo bottomed at. Online attendees described it as "Compersion 101"

Maiden's Pyjamas

A chemise utilized as night wear that really compliments the deeply hypnotized look in my eyes.

Plug/Zero Suit

Cosplay brought for a video shoot. It didn't end up being used so Sleepyhead helped me take some photos with it. I am informed my butt looks great in this outfit?

Miss Dawn's Casual Look

Miss Dawn's outfit is so ubiquitous that it's what she's wearing in our avatar (artwork by Poppetsisters).

Camden's Casual Look

A lovely green and blue outfit for lowkey social situations and pretending we have a chest to speak of.

Vampire Gala

Last year the same outfit was utilized for our subbiest scene. This year it was pure toppy energy. Amazing how the same outfit can help amplify the predator's presence. Your neck will get bitten.

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Go ahead and vote for your favorite!

[doublegrinch]

Boops you boops you boops you!

Share a hypnocon memory!

Eeeeeee! :D *is gleefully booped*

Gosh, so much to choose from...the obvious one who be the Fractionation Race, but you already know that story...

There's that one freeze scene I did, but I'd have to get permission from (very awesome) people... Oooh! There was the time, at a room party, that I got to try out a violet wand for the first time. I don't think that one will breach consent if I don't name names.

(I know, non-hypnotic memory! If it helps, it was Sunday, and so I *did* have a bit of the old fuzzy fractionated Sunday brain going XD)

Now, this was my second in-person con and I was very glad to be coming out of my shell compared to the first one. It was on the Sunday, con had just officially ended, and I was just chilling in my room when I got the invite. My brain went "...one more?"

So after a while of sitting and chatting and watching fun shenanigans happen, I just sort of blurted out something to the effect "so um...how does one get into pain?"

(As I said, this was Sunday, and most of my shyness was well and truly left at the door by this point.)

So the host, their interest piqued, went "right this way!". And, after showing me to their very impressive toy chest, turned to me and went "arm, please".

They started with a Wartenberg wheel first, just to get a feel for it. When I went 'oooh, that feels nice', they went and connected it to the wand.

It was just experimenting, not scene-y at all, but it was still...I dunno, exciting in its own way? It definitely felt like a 'first', if that makes sense.

It was also a very interesting sensation! I'm not into it like I'm into hypnosis, but there's something about it that feels intense in a good way. Kind of like the way a really warm bath or a tight hug feels. I'm famously "a little weird about touch", so I'm always keen to try out how things feel in a safe setting.

Anyway, I learned something about myself that night!

And then later I got to try other sensation things. But that's a story for another time~

Thank you SO much for the ask :D

[spidersays]

I, for one, do not feel safe at all at Beguiled. During a roundtable at the end of the con, one of the concom members (bastkitty) thought it would be a funny joke to imply that a number of my friends and myself (a trans feminine person) were consent violators because we didn’t answer a trick question of hers correctly.

This hurt me in particular, as I had JUST had a scene, and in the aftercare admitted to the person I topped his deeply the “trans women are predators” narrative fucks me up.

During this same roundtable, bastkitty got heated when trans people present gently requested that the con have gender neutral bathrooms in future - the bathrooms had been labeled “femme people” and “masc people”. She said that gender neutral bathrooms made people uncomfortable. When I suggested that those people use any of the other bathrooms in the hotel, she ignored me.

In brief, I would not, personally, consider Beguiled a good con.

What’s wrong with neehu

NEEHU has, in recent years, forgotten or disregarded some of the basic safeties for attendees at any event. They've had Nimja attend under a fake name, with the full knowledge and consent of the head organizer; they've had multiple issues of infighting, yelling (not all privately), and abuse of volunteers; they have a sketchy idea of how to enforce consent policy, to the point where people are afraid of reporting because they don't know who will see the report and can't even be sure it won't be the person the complaint is against. There are other things, too, but those are enough for me and a lot of other folks to give NEEHU a pass.

[secret-subject]

Hey love your work, random question but what is Charmed, it's like a convention right? Wa sjust curious since I looked it up and just wanted to hear some experience about what it is like and how it is since I can't really find much about peoples experience with it or previous stuff held at them.

Hey! So great question @charmedhypno is an erotic hypnosis convention which is held in person and online in January every year. If you aren't already go follow them and check out their website for more infromation.

I've been to two in person and two online (maybe three?) Charmed's so far and I have to say it's my favourite hypnocon to attend. It's pretty big from what I have heard if you go in person and everytime I have been it has been super welcoming and inviting to be at. My wife and I used to get a room at the hotel the con was held at and I would highly recommend this for anyone looking to get really invested in the weekends activities as it makes it super easy to get from your room to the classes and events on the con floor.

Some of my fave charmed moments include:

-The MASSIVE brainwashing session I got to do with Lee Allure. It was epic and so fun to do an inperson event like that. I heard we brainwashed over 100 people that day, so it makes me smile to remember.

-All the cool classes I have gotten to see. Everytime I go I learn something new about hypnosis or kink in general and that is more then worth ticket price.

-Meeting a bunch of my hypnopeeps in person as well as getting to chat to people who like what I do. That is always so fun and it's a little nerve wrecking being recognised, but also very flattering. Everyone I have had the chance to meet has been nothing but kind.

-The femme flirt. Now I am not sure if this is still a thing, but even though my wife and I are very monogamous it was just so fun to go to and hang out with other queer ladies (and femme folks). It was always a blast.

-Cards against humanity (and getting a noise complaint or two apparently). Yes, I have ADHD and yes my ADHD friends and I are loud so maybe once or twice we did get a noise complaint after a very lively game of CAH in the hotel room.

So follow charmed and if you are looking to dip a toe into the con scene, this is a great event to attend and highly recommended from me!

[voxhypno]

Charmed hypnocon can't come soon enough. 😭 I'm really looking forward to seeing friends and melting brains in January!

[dalhyp]

Naked HypnoCon 2023

This year, HypnoCon was located in Palm Springs, California. Friday we first gathered at The Toolshed Bar which was incredibly packed with men. Everyone was eventually found and we sat outside for a few drinks as friends and new attendants met. After that, we went to dinner at Grand Central. Then some of the people went to other bars, the rest decided to stay at resort, the El Mirasol Resort, a clothing-optional resort with a hot tub and a couple of pools. I thought I would be self-conscious about it, however THAT quickly went away.

Saturday morning, we met at the LBGT Community Center. And for introductions we gave the name we preferred to be called, how many HypnoCon’s we’ve attended, and if we were a hypnotist, subject, or switch. There were a few new faces. The learning session began at the very beginning, hypnosis 101. From Pre-talk, to Induction, to Deepening, to Suggestion, to Reentry, to Post-talk, each step of a typical hypnosis session for recreational purposes was discussed and demonstrated. Some very good subjects sat in the front of the group and experienced each part firsthand. I did deepening, which included convincers. I ran out of different deepening techniques, so I made a new one – silence. 

   ��        The group moved on to some of the history of HypnoCon, how it started, and the reason it keeps moving around. From the @gayhypnosis channel in the past, a few names stood out as pillars of that channel. One of those people was Hypnojob (his handle now) AKA EnTranceU (his handle in the @gayhypnosis channel). He talked about those days and moving to newer forms of electronic communication such as Discord and Skype. He does have a Skype Hypnosis Chat Room. I just joined it and it does bring back memories of the @gayhypnosis channel. If you want to explore, first be very interested in hypnosis, and second reach out to @Hypnojob on Skype to request an invitation to the group. Some great questions regarding the typical session and recreational hypnosis in general flew as we concluded, took the “wish you were here” photo, and then went to lunch. Most of us went to Denny’s – this was not a high point. 

            HypnoCon continued after lunch with an exercise to demonstrate fractionation. People who want to experience fractionation as a subject sat in a circle facing outward. The people that wanted to show fractionation as a hypnotist proceeded to induce trance and then fractionation. Since we had about 30 people, the process took a bit of time, however, there were some people who experienced deep trance. I got to be the subject for a demonstration of the “Yes” induction method. I think I got through seven or eight “yeses” before collapsing into a deep trance and then being brought out of the trance way too quickly! Some toys that hypnotists can use are shown next from pendulums to pocket watches, to a “mind machine” that uses flashing LED lights at specific frequency of flashes to bring trance. Some of the participants played with the toys. We then departed to get ready for dinner, which was at Billy Reeds. Dinner tasted wonderful and we then disbanded for the evening. I personally took more naked time at the hot tub where a couple of fun things happened. First, I got into a staring contest with a fellow hypnotist. I started to wonder who the hypnotist was, until he said, “You are getting very relaxed.” 

            “Oh, I guess, I’m the subject.” I thought and proceeded to go into a nice deep trance where the water relaxed me even more. The other wonderful thing is that a subject proceeded to be hypnotized by me using a non-verbal induction for the first time. That was quite the ego boost!

            The next morning, we ate brunch at Sherman’s Deli. We, and by “we,” I mean most of the people who organized this event, decided to forgo the usual discussion on which city to go next and opted instead for a different approach. Searching cruise vacations, we found the from Boston, a cruise that travels north so that people can watch the foliage turn colors, departs the Sunday of Hypnocon. So, the proposal became that HypnoCon goes to Boston next year, and have the usual Friday and Saturday. On Sunday though, the gathering continues as it does with an informal group setting at the host hotel so that more specialized topics can be discussed and shown in small groups or begin the above-mentioned cruise. The idea was ratified by a general proclamation (nobody complained too loudly), and we then went back to the resort for some small group discussion and generally be laid back and, of course, naked. 

            Now I come to you dear reader, if you are interested in helping organize the next HypnoCon in Boston, please let me know by emailing me at Dalhyp@yahoo.com. HypnoCon has an operating budget of zero dollars, assistance in contacting venues for dinners and entertainment, asking people of interest to come to the gathering, and fresh ideas are greatly appreciated!

[arihi]

howdy. do you have any advice for a first time hypnocon goer? I'm heading to charmed alone next week, and I'm worried about making connections. not so worried about hypnosis related things, since I have years of experience there. but it seems like a lot of people who are going are older and or have lots of established partners and friends. just generally nervous about fitting in and trying to make friends!

Hiya! I actually have a post I wrote up a while back for this linked here. (If the link isn't working, it's called 'So You're Going To A HypnoCon' and tagged 'cons'.) I haven't thought about it in ages, but thanks to your ask I got to read it all over again. The reblogs of that post also have some other advice from fellow congoers as well.

But, here is my answer right now, and a bit condensed from that long post (which is optional reading). Be flexible - if you go into your hypnocon with a million plans and a rigid structure, you'll find yourself quickly overwhelmed and then beating yourself up for taking a break or resting, which no one wants! There is no one definitive way to do this - some people like attending as many classes as possible, some only really come out to socialize at night. My plan used to be, pick a handful of classes you really want to go to, have a list of some you might attend if you have the energy, and then leave the rest to vibes. There's a high energy in the con sometimes that can wear you out if you're not keeping an eye on your own energy levels.

You're not a passenger in this journey! Most cons including Charmed have a great con beginner track and lots of events aimed at socializing and meeting people. They stop just shy of pulling you into the rooms - you've got to make that step yourself. Often in the con discord, there will be people advertising board game or pizza or general socializing room parties, and there are tons of evening events that people often link up at as well. There's also a 'wish list' that often pops up in con space where people talk about scenes or ideas they want to talk about, and you can meet like-minded people there as well.

In my opinion, there are more new people attending these cons than before - I feel like it gets newer and younger every year! But that's me. There are definitely people who are con veterans who often go with their established partners and meet old friends, but many of them are also often happy to say hi and meet new people as well. Leading up to my first con, I also messaged several people I knew were attending to make plans to say hi - which you've also accomplished with this ask!

If you happen to see me, or my badge, please come say hi! I'll be happy to meet you and introduce you to whoever I'm nearby at the moment. I hope you have a great time, and I hope to see you there!

[tennfan2]

Two questions, one is silly and one is more serious.

If hypnosis was a pizza, what would be your go to order? (If extra cheese were fractionation etc.)

Is there a class you'd love to attend at a hypnocon that either hasn't been covered or hasn't been offered in a bit?

I just saw I missed this question! But also, what a helpful way to remind people to send me more asks!

So I’ve given thought to the pizza, and weirdly my actual pizza preferences align with my hypnosis preferences: I like the classics. Pepperoni, sausage/fractionation, kinesthetics. I wish all pizzas had pineapple/I wish all hypnosis had amnesia. Sometimes I like the ones with spicy peppers like rope or denial. I’m possibly overextending the metaphor.

Re: cons - I would honestly love to attend the classes that I’ve not taught/led/done in a while! I’m feeling more energetic about Charmed and wish I’d thought to submit more. But I’ll also be happy with that when the weekend arrives and I have actual free time during the day.

[daja-the-hypnokitten]

What class would you like to see taught in a future hypnocon?

a class on how to practice hypnotee agency.

[misscammiedawn]

IT IS CHARMED NEXT WEEK!

I am excite!

If you are at the event Dawn is teaching a class on scene presence Friday 2pm, it is not going to be streamed sadly =/

Saturday at 9am I'll be demoing for Daja's class on non-visual fixation inductions and that will be streamed and available on demand for In-Person/Online Attendees!

As always I will be wearing many lovely outfits (including Sunrise Dress and Vampire Dress from last year) and running a poll on which is best!

Stop by and say "hi!" if you see us! We'll be the red head with the British accent who is overdressed for a casual event!

[h-sleepingirl]

Which hypnocon class was your favorite to teach?

I have extremely fond memories of Charmed 2020 (pre-COVID). It was the release of The Brainwashing Book and I felt like I was on top of the world. We also after a stupid number of years got to really hang with @arihi (and another now-friend who I'm not sure if they're on tumblr) and it was probably the best con I've ever had all around.

I taught a "Rope for Hypnosis" class and the large room was absolutely packed. That version of the class basically taught some extremely bare-bones no-knots rope handling and ways to induce trance with just that and nothing else. It was a workshop, and during the time where people were trying out the tech, it was silent, pairs of people spread wall-to-wall on the floor and radiating trance and energy. We got a LOT of compliments about it and it felt great.

[pruning-the-minds-garden]

NeuroPlex

On Tumblr as NeuroPlex

(AKA NeuralNets, NeuralNetsAndPrettyPatterns, NNPP, BimboVirus and others)

There are a number of accounts against him over the years, some of which have been retracted or disappeared due to harassment or fatigue on the part of the people who did the accusing. In one case I was aware of there was an accusation which was false(I won't include that one), but so far as I know that is not the norm. It might also not be the norm of people who interact with him that they wind up abused (he has his fair share of defenders, so I can only assume that his Yelp rating would be at least 3.5 stars on balance), so yeah if you join his server then maybe there's only a 5% chance you'll wind up being abused by him. But, y'know, that means Phi Delta's really a fine upstanding fraternity with no problems doesn't it? Anyway.

First, Strike Thanatos. This is an account from a person who was a mod on NNPPs Discord server and later left. There are accusations of abuse of power, witch hunts, and other forms of predatory and vindictive behavior in there. Go read it for yourself.

That leads us to (and is mentioned inside of)The Magenta Dream Domme Challenge. To say that this was a file with some problems is to say that the choice of gases used on the Hindenberg was somewhat hasty and ill thought-out. It's not that it wasn't effective for what it was; it's that it was designed in a predatory and unethical way. Given that NNPP has been doing this for years and this fits his general pattern and character of behavior, this isn't an accident. That people got as mad about it as they did - necessitating his making changes - is indicative of the fact that this wasn't a one-off thing. We all make mistakes. This wasn't a mistake. It was a failure, the product of a broken system of content creation (i.e. a fundamentally flawed creator).

Now, things did not end with Feather and Magenta Dream Domme and all that. I wish they did. This is also where it gets less sourced, but not because I don't have sources. If you choose not to believe me because I'm not linking them or they aren't talking, okay, but as I describe what happened I think you'll understand.

Since all that went down, NNPP has tried to pursue legal action against at least one member (or group of members acting collectively) of the community, disrupt their business, doxx them, and generally made a huge ass of himself (that last being my opinion) over being disinvited/banned from a hypnocon. Whenever I bring up his name at all, on any level, at least one and usually three of four people come forward to me privately with stories of abuse or mistreatment or consent violations and ask that I not share them for fear of reprisal. Now, I am 10,000% certain that if he himself walks into a room and starts talking then he will never hear those stories, but we all know why that is don't we? Like, don't we? It's not a mystery.

And, even saying all this, I don't think he's a mustache-twirling villain. He is not Emperor (Side note: The Emperor's actual first name is Sheev? Who wrote that?!?) Palpatine. Irresponsible? Yes, sometimes. A person who lets a little power go to his head? Yes. Someone who gets incredibly defensive when challenged on even the smallest thing? Yes. Those are not uncommon flaws, even taken together. However, when in combination and when combined with a position of power and authority, they can become incredibly toxic.

Is he a bad person? I don't know, I can't see into his heart. But, I do think he - and take it from someone who is going to therapy right now - could greatly benefit from some therapy, to talk through some things.

Finally, there's my personal stake in this. It is last because it is honestly the smallest and least important element in this, but I would be remiss to not include it because it establishes any personal bias I might have. This is a Tumblr messenger interaction between NNPP and I. I have since deleted the blog on which this interaction took place, so you will have to accept this copypasta for what it is.

Now, lets say that this was a case of bad timing. This long, annoying Tumblr chew-out of a conversation about nothing, which frustrated the hell out of me and soured any relationship that I might have ever had with him, came on a day that was otherwise (for personal reasons I won't disclose) one of the happiest and best of my life. Does that alter the lens through which I view everything else? Probably. Does that make me an unfit person to say these things? I don't think it does. I don't like him, but there are a lot of people I don't like who I nevertheless don't go out of my way to accuse of things. I boost the accusations of others because they are credible and important, not because I have a personal stake or animosity. But, I don't think it would be right to not mention my own personal animosity. So, here's the conversation in its entirety, presented behind a Read More for your sake (it's long and mostly pointless) -

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Primarily original MC content. Very few reblogs. Anonymous… Not following each other [Ed. note: Not following him now, though I was at the time this conversation happened.] 12/27/2017 neuralnetsandprettypatterns I scrolled through your page.  There are at least two obvious unattributed rips.  Why are you consistently hassling me for modified stuff?

pruningthemindsgarden Feel free to comment on those and I’ll fix them.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Yeah that doesn’t really answer the question though? Like why are you patrolling my stuff specifically?

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I’m interested in resolving that instead of just being a content cop and starting *more* fights

pruningthemindsgarden I’m not. If it seems like I am then that’s a coincidence. There are two pages that I DO specifically look for because they do basically 100% unattributed reposts of hypnokink artists, but you aren’t one of them.

pruningthemindsgarden when I see it I comment on it, because this is a niche community. Porn in general makes a whole lot more money and has a substantially larger audience than hypnosis/mind control porn.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Which pages?

pruningthemindsgarden hypno-control and tumbling4u2

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Well in st least two cases - Stephanie Michelle and Entranced - you criticized me for approved stuff.  And the stuff i do is all remixed - it’s regenerated images through a set of mods What about coverthypnotism

pruningthemindsgarden I don’t have any special knowledge about them. If they do that I simply haven’t noticed it. If it was approved, great :)

neuralnetsandprettypatterns But I’m telling you now

pruningthemindsgarden yep, you are

neuralnetsandprettypatterns And you aren’t looking which implies to me that you’re a bit selective

pruningthemindsgarden I can’t control the implications things you think I am or am not doing have in your mind.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns This is why people lose patience with hall monitors

pruningthemindsgarden that’s quite likely, yes

neuralnetsandprettypatterns When it’s pointed out that they’re being selective, they just presume speaking bureaucratically is a shield Are you British?

pruningthemindsgarden *laughs* you’re asking leading questions because you are mad and have already decided that you want to try to paint me a particular way. I can’t control what you want to see from my actions or not, and I’m not perfect, but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t do the best I can to do the best I can. as far as not going through coverthypnotism’s page, I don’t routinely do that. I comment on things that cross my feed. I can tell you I’ll be on the lookout now that you’ve mentioned it, though.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I’m really not mad - maybe more hard eye rolly?

pruningthemindsgarden sexy. :P (yes, that was a joke)

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I expect to have a certain number of haters.  I’m interested in resolving the underlying conflict.  It’s hard to do that when you’re speaking bureaucrat. I speak bureaucrat but it’s generally just a way to lie, so it doesn’t appeal as a method of conflict resolution.  It’s a language of power in courtrooms and HR departments, not conflict resolution.

pruningthemindsgarden you began this conversation in an adversarial mode.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I ask if you’re British because you’re adopting idiosyncratic British expressions - which Americans do when they’re trying to sound frustratingly stuffy.  So I wondered.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Yup.  Because i think there’s an underlying animosity and if I just pointed out the inconsistency, I presumed it’d be a purely bureaucratic response - since you’ve already positioned yourself as a neutral arbitrer of rules.

pruningthemindsgarden Funny, no one told me I had positioned myself thusly.

pruningthemindsgarden and, if by not replying to comments meant to bait me is what you call bureaucratic, well, guilty as charged.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns No - that’s not what I mean.  I mean that you’re speaking bureaucratically - not based on what you ignore, but the words you’re saying. I could break it down line by line, but that’s besides the point.

pruningthemindsgarden fair enough

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I’m saying - if you have an underlying animosity, you can say it and maybe get it resolved.  If you say that this is a neutral exercise, you can and I can’t stop you, but I’m skeptical and your inner witness to your own performance is a bit skeptical too.

pruningthemindsgarden *laughs* don’t do that.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Thusly mode particular way quite simply substantially feel free Don’t do what?

pruningthemindsgarden making implicit statements about my feelings or what my subconscious thinks I am or am not doing.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Don’t know a thing about your subconscious.  I’m reading your words.

pruningthemindsgarden now, as for my feelings, well yes they are somewhat complicated. If anything that causes me to mostly avoid your stuff, though, because that complexity isn’t your fault, not really, and I prefer to avoid acting on confirmation bias.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns That above statement doesn’t say enough for me to decipher it *without* inference You told me to avoid inference so my only available answer is “come again?”

pruningthemindsgarden In short - your content bothers me sometimes, so I avoid it. The complexity is me trying to internally unpack why and when and what is the basis of that distaste.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Yeah that is odd, because honestly I do quite a bit to disentangle the questions of autonomy and choice that might trouble you - up to and including being the only person actively pushing back against the alt right infusion. I see that as a bit more important, which is why I police Nazis instead of copyright but everyone has the hill they’ll die on I guess?

pruningthemindsgarden I suppose most people do, though I do far more than comment on the things you post. It’d be best if you didn’t assume this was mine.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I’m interested in the animosity - past the vagaries.

pruningthemindsgarden There isn’t animosity.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns “Complex feeling of distaste confirmation bias” So I’m interested in the cfodcb

pruningthemindsgarden yes, I did say those things. Those aren’t the same thing as animosity.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Np one’s just tough to type

pruningthemindsgarden well, they mean different things. My feelings largely stem from you use of (at least what I have perceived as) misogyny kink. Do I need to define that for you? It’s something I’ve talked about a few times but I don’t know how widely used or transparent it is.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns your feelings about that, based on your feed, are…ambivalent

pruningthemindsgarden yes, they are

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Like half the stuff you post is male dominant fem submissive brainwashing - but I think what you’re saying is that the stuff that plays with cultural tropes makes you feel conflicted Like housewifery and sandwich making Is that in the ballpark?

pruningthemindsgarden like I said, if you need me to define what I mean by that term I can.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I’m actually curious, not arguing.  I’m trying to suss out what about me specifically inspires this reactive policing.  What it is that you’re reall trying to police.

pruningthemindsgarden but yes, things like that are at least sometimes in the ballpark. The part where it starts to bother me is not simply the idea of women in Stepford-esque roles. it’s when there is an implication that women in general should be in those roles. and no, I’m not “really” trying to police anything like I said, my reaction to that is to avoid most of your stuff

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I don’t see you policing the dozens of hardcore misogyny blogs though?

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I mean, you can again presume that you’re policing this content because of entirely neutral rules based systems.  That’s illusory, but I’m not going to separate anyone from their illusions.  My question is - is there anything that distinguishes my content from the swath of other content saying the same thing?  I’ve never seen you interact with your natural state for instance. I’d thought it apparent that i don’t believe that and find it thrillingly taboo because i exist in and support an environment that’s quite the opposite!

pruningthemindsgarden I don’t follow YNS, and have spoken against those ideas rather frequently in the past. and, yes, from talking to other people I do know that you do not really feel that way. Again, you are making a core assumption that I am going out of my way to “police” you. That’s simply not the case.

pruningthemindsgarden I saw something, I said something. That’s how it works with everyone.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Yes, I know, it’s entirely neutral.  A commitment to comity.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns You don’t follow me, I presume.  I am interested in ways that my content might be especially troubling.  But it’s just any misogyny - yeah sure - kinda boring but no problem.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I felt there was a more interesting or nuanced bit in there.

pruningthemindsgarden sorry to bore you, I suppose 12/28/2017

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Unattributed http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169041643437/themistresslove-assnosis-is-real-just-try-to-not

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Unattributed http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169038957137/jukeboxemcsa-its-so-silly-that-when-most-people

pruningthemindsgarden the first is linked from Mistress LOVE’s Tumblr, so I don’t see your point.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns It’s an unattributed rip

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Unattributed http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169038806497/convoluted-moonscape-rae-being-naughty

pruningthemindsgarden and if you have a source for the second, I’ll amend my reblog. I did a quick Google search for it and couldn’t find anything other than reposts and aggregators.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Unattributed http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169037070332/hypsan-i-love-snapping-my-fingers-and-making-her Unattributed and offensively bad production value http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169027155402/themistresslove-the-bimbo-bubbles-in-your-mind

pruningthemindsgarden the third one doesn

pruningthemindsgarden the third one doesn’t have any meaningful Google hits for it. The source of the reblog itself might be able to give more insight, but I can’t find any.

pruningthemindsgarden the fourth is the same as the first.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Unattributed http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169017512012/jukeboxemcsa-complacent-the-word-rested-in If ripping content is bad who cares that you can’t find it

pruningthemindsgarden but, if you like and have sources for any of those, I’ll add them.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns All jukebox visuals are unattributed rips So…. if you can find the sources you police them but if you can’t you don’t?  Wut

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Ripped and unattributed http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169013773962/thesuccubuslair-no-reason-to-be-shy-ladies

pruningthemindsgarden because those are transformative. I objected to yours because you were taking hypno porn and making hypno porn of it. That’s not fair use. but as I also noted, if you have permission for that I’ll happily rescind my statement

neuralnetsandprettypatterns So someone slaps hypno captions on other porn and fair use Ripped http://pruningthemindsgarden.tumblr.com/post/169013479052/spiralstaring-thecrimsoncommander That’s not how fair use works

pruningthemindsgarden https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

neuralnetsandprettypatterns That’s you trying to neg someone’s blog cause it squicks you

pruningthemindsgarden no, it’s not.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns It’s obviously made up. No ones trying to overwhelm you.  *literally everything you reblog* is a rip Ok not literally but like almost everything.  Over half And this incredibly contrived distinction isn’t fooling anyone.  You’re just gunning for some blogs

neuralnetsandprettypatterns You could just as easily say that my substantial graphic modifications are “fair use” and jukebox unauthorized reproduction aren’t.

pruningthemindsgarden Yes, that you feel that way is abundantly clear.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Saying “abundantly” doesn’t intimidate anyone. Is there anyone - anywhere - who supports your extremely idiosyncratic fair use doctrine?

pruningthemindsgarden you think I was trying to intimidate you with that word choice? yes

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Please show me! I think you were trying to sound snooty because you do that. I am fascinated by the “reproduction must be across genre lines”

pruningthemindsgarden https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Fair use doctrine Yeah I’m familiar and that’s irrelevant.

pruningthemindsgarden that is a rephrasing of the market replacement element of fair use doctrine

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Bahahahaha That has never ever been used in a court ahahahhaha did you just read it on Wikipedia or are you a creative IPR lawyer Now I’ve gone from annoyed to actually impressed.  Like that’s never ever ever been used as such in a court but your ready citation of it is *kisses fingers chef style* You’re a trip Im impressed

pruningthemindsgarden I don’t see how that’s relevant.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns You don’t see why precedent in litigation is how IPR doctrine is generally fleshed out?

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Ok are you an IPR lawyer who is trolling or a smart kid looking at wikipedia bahahahaha

pruningthemindsgarden I’m neither.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns The way it actually works is that litigation matters a lot more than statues cause it’s super hard to craft statues that are actually consistent It’s amaze balls that you had a ready citation for the four factor test but that it was so wrong Are you just an IPR hobbyist? *statutes IPR would be impossible under a real Napoleanic system

neuralnetsandprettypatterns It’s a common law construct.  Either way, your devotion to playing a lawyer is awesome.  Is there anything i can do for you to credit it?  You’re the king of Internet Law and I wanna surrender

pruningthemindsgarden add a source citation, ideally a link to the material. for instance, the GIFs that started this conversation came from “Encore, Encore” by Daphne’s Fantasies. A link to that would help, I’m sure, directing people to that content if they are curious how to get it.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Can i give you a trophy too though? I think they came from primal Do u have a link?

pruningthemindsgarden no, just that’s fine. If they came from a different video then yeah a link to that is fine. https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/59203/17703302/Encore%2C+Encore%21+Part+1

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Wait Some of *their* content is ripped Ahahahhahahaa

neuralnetsandprettypatterns And they’re charging for it (which is really relevant in actual law, i dunno if it matters in cyber law)

pruningthemindsgarden they are the same studio as MC Theater, if that’s what you’re coinfused by.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Can you change your name to “the cyber police” No that’s not what I’m confused by

pruningthemindsgarden ah

neuralnetsandprettypatterns I mean there’s actual ripped content there

pruningthemindsgarden and no, I’d rather not

neuralnetsandprettypatterns Should i report it?  It might shut them down

pruningthemindsgarden I’m sure of you contact them about that, should you be concerned, you can resolve that.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns So… why do you talk like that?

pruningthemindsgarden the same reason you talk the way you do, I’m sure.

neuralnetsandprettypatterns uhhhh