#how dare he come in and ruin beautiful celery sticks simplicity and then leave 😭

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Lore Discussion Incoming — Soup

c!Wilbur is the character on the DSMP that I would probably be most likely to punch in the face, lol. Hell, if I were to choose a True Villain of the story, it would almost certainly be him.

A list of what he’s done, canonically (likely incomplete):

Drew lines in the sand with L’Manberg so that he could gain power (basically the exact thing that he accused Dream of doing)

Manipulated people into supporting L’Manberg using every propaganda tool in the book (including writing Dream into the role of one-note villain, a role that he would later don himself)

Waged a years long harassment campaign against Eret after she had the gall to be the only one to not fall into the roles he slot out for everyone (The Control Room) that resulted in her being completely obsessed with her image and with the idea of her being redeemed in the eyes of others (count how many times c!Eret has tried to “redeem” herself in the eyes of those characters) (it’s more than once)

Tried to rig an election and then went into a total spiral when it failed that led to him blowing the whole thing up. (The election itself also explicitly paralleled the American 2016 election, if I remember correctly, so. There’s no way to make that situation sound anything but morally bankrupt.)

So much of his “searching for forgiveness” thing that he did post-revival was so performative that it often felt like he did more harm than good (forcing Tommy to confront Dream in prison in a twisted, puppeteer-like show, for example — make no mistake, that was a show, whether he consciously realized it or not) (it didn’t even help Tommy, in the long run, because he was still completely paranoid — it legitimately only served to retraumatize him)

Was an abusive and neglectful father to c!Fundy, canonically, at least in Fundy’s later years (and maybe before that, depending on who you ask, but that can kind of be debatable) (“You made me eat off the floor!”)

Hell, his whole deal with Tommy is a fucked up mess and a half. As his right hand man, Tommy was often the main subject of his manipulation to the point where he was completely submerged in it. Hell — there’s a real reason that Tommy was often directly paralleled with Wilbur by the narrative The only way that Tommy was finally able to see past Wilbur’s rhetoric about Dream being a Pure Evil Monster is because cc!Wilbur literally took him out of the story. (Did you notice that the Finale lore streams — the only ones post-c!Wilbur — were also the only ones to portray c!Tommy’s fucked up black-and-white worldview as destructive?)

Also L’Manberg’s influence has almost always been framed as explicitly negative. Fundy renounced the country as having been horrible to him during Doomsday, Niki burned down the L’Mantree entirely of her on volition, Tubbo was turned into a tyrant due to being forced into the role of Boy President, Philza was put under house arrest for “preventative measures,” Techno was tracked down for an execution (also part of said preventative measures), Tommy was constantly put under duress by Wilbur ESPECIALLY during the Pogtopia arc as he was forced to defend walls that never did the same for him in return (and its really sad actually that he seeks refuge in those walls post Dream’s escape from prison by building them around his base, I mean talk about the parallels of characters seeking solace in the places of their abuse and mistreatment), and probably a whole lot more that I’m forgetting rn.

Honestly in a lot of ways, canon!Wilbur is basically fanon!Dream. c!Dream sucks at manipulating people. Like, he’s terrible at it. He’s an amazing actor, but his lies themselves hardly ever hold up under scrutiny and his misjudgements of people so often end up biting him in the ass that it’s practically a comedy of errors at this point. (Hell, his whole plan to catch Vikk and Lazarbeam relied on him and Punz literally chasing them down! Half of the other characters could have manipulated them into following them, brought them into a trap, whatever, but Dream could not.) The only way any of this act held up is because he was able to convince both the audience and the characters that he was insane enough to believe every word. c!Wilbur, on the other hand, is amazing at it. He’s a true empath in a lot of ways, and he knows how to get the pick turning in just the right way to open the lock.

yessssss i feckin love the dsmp because all the characters have flaws it’s honestly awesome.

i actually was never on lmanberg’s side. i understood dream’s logic of finding it dumb that they were preaching for freedom whilst creating laws and fencing off an area.

and ahhhh you’re analysis of c!wilbur is so cooolllll!! *clap clap* i think also the fact that cwilbur was american this whole time was also such a crazy part to his character. he really did just come onto dream’s server, created a country, blow it up, convince tommy of black and white thinking, then left lmao. i love him and yes i hope he chokes on his soup a couple times 😂