#how come that ilkka and matthew together play semi-insane introverted bitch but by their own they play half-naked cryptic psychos 😭

[veikkoalen]

more of a rambling than an actual addition to a discussion

yoton yo the song is in its entirety about scratch; but it has a weird line: "The cap of the booze bottle has gone missing". with zane specifically repeating the "ahh let me fix you a drink" both in aw2 AND in control awe cutscene. plus the flashback inside his first cutscene had "a happy song" which played in american nightmare only in the third tv cutscene with scratch dancing. what if alan "remembered" the flashback from scratch' perspective? because these two films with zane were actually directed by him

overall i really think there's really something between zane and scratch. his cutscene in control awe was also sketchy as fuck, teleporting and having weird effects on his side of the shot.

side note: was thinking about yoton yo the movie and it being loosely but seriously tied to the plot of the game (last words of the film/game; one twin being (indirectly) responsible for the death of the other). i wonder: if something got out of the well in the movie, could something get out in the game? probably just an allegory to scratch 😪 but what if it's something more. ohh i hate him i love him and im fully invested

p.s. jskxnalnsxkmd scratch might not be dead once again; he supposedly died in american nightmare and now, but the yoton yo sings that "you can never escape him" bc it's literally your fucking reflection. ugh i really sense the superego-ego-id trio from (all the people alan keeps dragging down to save him xdd)-alan-scratch

I need to talk about my theories on Alan Wake 2’s timeline somewhere so here it is, spoilers obviously, and I REALLY would love someone for discussion. Here we go(warning: it’s freaking long):

One thing to be noted: a lot of my theory is based on what was revealed in The Signal and The Writer, so make sure you know what happened there first then read my theory.

My theory with the loop: it has been expanded many times. It started with Alan trying to write Return to escape, but kept failing. So he slowly lost his mind, splitting into two personas like what happened in the DLCs again. This is what I call “the basic loop.” I want to note that my theory is that in the game, we only get to experience the part AFTER crazy Alan wrote Return, possessed by Dark Presence, restarted a new loop already and return to his “optimistic” self.

Alan writes Return->caught by the Dark Presence-> wakes up in the writer’s room.

Then Mr. Door and Alice came in. For now my theory is Mr. Door came in first, brought the Talk Show section. Alan can now project him into the NYC through Talk Show.

Alan writes Return->projects to NYC->caught by the Dark Presence->wakes up in the writer’s room.

Then Alice came, significantly changed the entire loop. She basically created Alan’s “suicide” loop. Every time Alan wakes up in the Talk Show, he touches his forehead, but not when he wakes up in the Writer’s Room. She added even more layers to the spiral, and made a chance for the creation of a spiral.

Alan writes Return->projects to NYC->escaped from the studio->instructed to find Alice’s footages -> caught by the Dark Presence->return to the writer’s room.

Now here is the tricky part. The three times in the game we saw Alan returns to the Writer’s Room is also a big loop itself. Here’s my understanding right now:

The first time back in the room is only the end, not the beginning. He saw the body, then possessed by the Dark Presence, and started the basic loop again. That’s why in the next section we started in the Writer’s Room, then Talk Show.

The second time he returned to the writer’s room, there was already a draft written by his crazy half, try to edit it, then shot by himself(who he thought to be Scratch). Then he is projected to NYC. The process still follows the basic loop, but as you can see it’s cracking.

The third time he returned to the room, he shot himself, realizing it was himself trying to edit the manuscript, then possessed by the Dark Presence, then summoned by Saga. Then the basic loop started again, his crazy half wrote Return, da da da…

Now you might be wondering why didn’t I proceed to Saga’s part?

BECAUSE SAGA CREATED AN EVEN BIGGER BREACH FOR THE SPIRAL.

The three times Alan returned to the room, as I mentioned, IS a bigger loop itself. My theory is that before we step into the game as Saga, the bigger loop has been repeated over and over again. And because this time Saga steps into the story as a hero, the loop was shaken even greater, it is at the very moment we beat the game that a true spiral was created.

And that’s it for my loop theory rn, kudos to any one of you that actually finished it.

There are still a lot of questions, tho. My biggest one is with Thomas Zane. Alan is guided to find Alice’s videos by Thomas Zane EVERY TIME. It truly bugs me because he’s basically helping Alice plan this whole time, even when he lied that Alice is not in the Dark Place but in the real world, and when he fooled Alan that Scratch wrote Return. I know theories out there are saying Zane is the main villain, but I’m conflicted with this one.