#honest to god this came to me while I was jogging today and I haven't stopped thinking about it
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John Kramer never wanted Mark Hoffman as a convert. Mark is and was always meant to be a tool for John to use. Since Mark's game of Russian roulette that did not require a true "offering," such as murder or pain which for John was an manifistation of the individuals will to live, Mark's identity as a convert is at best loosely based upon John's need for physical strength and more hands to create the great gears of his games. This distinct difference in Mark's game and therefor conversion story and apprenticeship creates a deep divide between his role and the role of both Amanda Young and Lawrence Gordon.
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#honest to god this came to me while I was jogging today and I haven't stopped thinking about it#i know either this has been said before or it's flawed in the interpretation#but my brain won't let it go#I know you could argue that his test was to become an apprentice or the killing of Seth Baxter but for me neither feel right#it feels like John has this distain for him or maybe weariness that he knows mark isn't what he wanted#mark hoffman#saw franchise#sawposting#john kramer
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