#homestuck epilogue thoughts

[helmbarte]

[hamsterdads]

Ive been sending stuff on anon tonight but since that isnt an option an i dont thuink ive filled my quota: hi i hope you have a wondrous week ahead and i really realy like ur art and interpretations of the characters physicalities and also ur got me johndavekat pilled. That is all baaaiyyeee

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[bolasmasivas]

i cant stop making them someone please euthanise me

[makelikesprinkles]

Dirk is hyper self controlling because he doesn't want anyone to see the "real" him, how "bad" of a person he is, so he keeps his social interactions on lockdown. Hal is antagonistic and controlling to all his friends because he is clinging onto that last shred of what makes him a "real" Dirk.

[thatlittledandere]

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[5-htagonist]

i dunno man i get disliking the epilogues and their subsequent narrative threads as pleasurable reading experiences but rather than appearing Only as a horrible terrible way for our beloved characters to develop but also um the heartbreak of that particular sight speaks to me. i dont know if it just has to do with my own experiences but while ive never had a friend turn into a fascist with political power i have seen people i care about develop in maladaptive and malignant ways. and ive seen people ive known since middle school turn into toxic and hurtful people. and ive seen my friends struggle with their relationships and expectations. ive seen friends become people i used to call friends, and ive seen them develop addictions. i have known people as a child and found out they died. i havent had a friend cuck her husbabydaddy with a clown but ive seen people change into people i cant call a friend anymore, and aside from the narrative commentary on having your OCs and brain baby mutilated and twisted by those who feel entitled to it, i think the heartbreak of seeing friends change in ways that were avoidable is what makes the epilogues hit for me. its not meant to be happy and gratifying, it is straight up horror.

[jojotier]

some more about the 'hbo's homestuck/cw's homestuck' au bc I can't stop thinking about it:

the cast of HBO's Homestuck are actually getting along pretty well! Mostly because the director went out of his way to cast actual 13-year-olds/6-sweep-olds. Mild Controversy Ensues

it's so important to me that HBO Karkat and HBO John's actors are besties. there's a half hour of outtakes uploaded to youtube where they're trying to get through the ATTENTION WORTHLESS HUMAN speech and HBO Karkat keeps giggling too much and breaking character.

(in an interview, HBO Karkat's actor, 6 sweep year old violet blood Risnel Aquinn, reveals that he doesn't have gills or properly formed fins, making him a seadweller who can't live as a seadweller. He talks about how important playing Karkat feels to him- how much his story inspired him, and how much he just hopes he's doing his favorite God justice as a mutant himself.)

meanwhile I cannot stress enough how much the cast of CW's Homestuck hate each other. Like they are ready to go at each other's throats and not even in a pitch way

CW Rose and CW Kanaya have been sending each other passive aggressive death threats by excusing it as ''method acting'' even though CW Rose got killed off for the seventh time in the 5th episode. Their 'romance' feels utterly loveless, like those cishet women who play lesbians on tv and kiss in the most passionless way possible. CW Kanaya may be conspiring to get Rose written out of the show. The showrunner thinks it's so funny he keeps egging it on.

CW Dave's actor has a Misha Collins-esque scandal where he accidentally comes out as a transman at a con and then two days later walks it back and comes out as a cisgender man. this somehow leads to the actual god of Time Dave revealing he's trans, causing mass chaos.

Ironically, CW Karkat is played by Troll Misha Collins

Nic Cage is there

[r0semultiverse]

The implication that Terezi is stronger/immune/indifferent to Dirk's narrative writing/reality-warping powers is interesting. 👀

I am so excited for the new writers to explore her character more.

Hopefully this also means we'll be seeing more classpect & god tier power exploration as well!

[nothingimportanttoseehere]

Idk, I actually thought the epilogues were kinda cool as someone who like's Hometuck for its use of artistic medium. Thought it was cool and parts of it gave us some of Homestuck's best prose (Candy 38).

[boogermuscles]

The Homestuck Epilogues and Unreliable narrators and stuff

I think part of the reason so many people dislike the epilogues is because they take the descriptions of the characters at face value. I'm currently on another 17 hour long car ride so I'm re reading the epilogues starting with the meat timeline. I am just now realizing that a lot of people definitely don't realize that they aren't supposed to take the narrated reasons for character's actions as fact. Homestuck has always had unreliable narrators and Dirk (the narrator of the meat timeline) is no exception to this. Like yeah obviously the character's might not feel right, they're being described from a biased inaccurate perspective.

I've seen a lot of people complain about Jade in the epilogues because she's often described as a highly hormonal uncontrollable sex beast or whatever, but like the thing is that this description isn't accurate because it's Dirk describing things the way he see's them. I think it's been established that while Dirk may think he's this all knowing all powerful complex manipulator, he doesn't actually understand things as well as he thinks he does which is why many of his descriptions are inaccurate or at the very least lacking necessary nuance.

[dukeofriven]

This Pride I want us all to take a minute to reflect on those brave but forgotten queer souls who worked on The Epilogues and Homestuck 2 with the goal of seeing Homestuck with queer content 'done right' and fucked it up so much worse than anyone thought humanly possible.

[sadevergreen]

i’m finally reading the fucking homestuck epilogues and IM SO ANGRY ABOUT THEIR EXISTENCE. some parts?

also uh spoilers for homestuck epilogues MEAT? anyways-

i’m ashamed to admit but a bit funny and good! the piece as a whole as i get further into it? FUCKING SUCKS AND IN NO WAY RESEMBLES THE CHARACTERS INTRODUCED????!?!!!?!! i cannot understand why they made jane into a supervillain fascist while mentioning that she is (but definitely was, not is) extremely kind and empathetic. this. does. not. make. sense. fuck dirk i don’t remember him being this big of a tool?? poor jake he’s just a himbo quit hurting him !!! love dave and karkat. they vibe im enjoying them. john is so depressed please get this boy into therapy and on some anti anxiety/ depression meds. WHY DID THEY DO THIS TO JADE?!!?!!! yes she grew up alone on an island, with little to no reference to social interaction, but she’s not stupid. she’s incredibly smart, i think SOME PART OF HER would’ve picked up that her advances were not reciprocated ?? or understood that 85% or whatever of her advances not being outright rejected did not mean feelings were reciprocated. maybe her doggy senses helped her to smell emotion !! IDFK! maybe she could calculate how many of her advances were being reciprocated!!! so i find it unlikely and in poor taste that she has no issues with adapting socially to some things, but is completely oblivious to others. it’s one thing if she was still and kid and oblivious socially? but she’s an extremely social person that is simultaneously incredibly scientifically minded. she would pick up on things. she would notice when things were off. god i’m upset about her characterization. she’s 23, she’s learned a lot! not just how to sleep around, she’s picked up some social stuff! and i’m fine with that part- if that’s the path they think fits her, then who am i to judge! i think it’s actually interesting in set up! but not how they substituted it for awareness. i think jade could’ve been given idk some cool marceline treatment! except werewolf? cool floaty werewolf chick that plays bass! DONT TELL ME SHE WOULDNT BE MAKING INCREDIBLE ADVANCES IN SCIENCE WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY SLAYING THE STAGE !!!!!

anyways those are mainly my thoughts as of rn; i’m on part 22? i think john being wildly depressed makes sense and has so much weight. i think my boys strugglin. i think jade could be couch surfin and dating around while she tours and studies; no time to keep a fulfilling relationship in between because she’s forced to never be in the same place for too long. i love rose and kanaya, i’m just honestly not sure how to categorize my thoughts on them at this point in the story though. dave and karkat? love you guys you’re making this readable. dirk? choke on a dick. jake? get that dick. jane? stop.

[spritestyle]

A half-formed thought I have about the relationships in homestuck is that 1). yes, Hussie does not deliver on the romance element in a satisfying way, and yet 2). he does write a bunch of very interesting potential. We have to fill in the gaps ourselves, which is annoying and unsatisfying, but he does set up the relationships in canon in such a way that it makes it extremely easy to do so. It isn’t that the romance is written badly so much as it isn’t really written at all. But there’s tons of chemistry between characters both implicitly and explicitly, and lots of romantic set-up, and a bunch of canon relationships, actually! But that’s the point at which Hussie kind of steps back and refuses to show us specifics or actually depict the things about the relationship that would make for a satisfying payoff. So instead we have this blank space around the relationships where we’re given a general sense of how things went but still have to imagine the details of how they actually played out. For me it is more unsatisfying than it is annoying. Homestuck in general tends to lampoon shipping culture and actively push up against/toy with that aspect of fandom in general. But I think it would only be made better and fuller and more complete if it actually embraced that aspect of storytelling

As of rn I have about 800 pages of HS left so I’ll update with more thoughts when I finish next week

[landoffreaksandfrogs]

finally reading the homestuck epilogues and taking notes on each chapter, lets do this.

[homestuckconfession]

I think saying "Lanque and Roxy are the first transmasc characters I saw who didnt detransition" is a little silly.

Lanque is transmasc via word of god, and you literally can't tell from the games alone (imagine my disappointment lmao. was actually heartbroken as a teenager)

and like, I personally hc roxy as transfem, but even just playing in the epilogues space for a second: he doesnt even transition in candy! that timeline is pretty explicit about how getting married & having kids ended up preventing him from fully questioning his gender and coming out. which is obviously A Trans Experience, but its very clearly a pretty traumatic one that imo the epilogues did Not handle with as much sensitivity as it warranted (no comment on hs2 james roach i trust u). he didnt detransition, but we saw him in a world where he was comphetted into never transitioning, which to me personally is more upsetting. not saying this feeling is universal, but its a similar feeling that detransition plots generate.

like neither of these characters are/were stellar (or even good) transmasc rep. there are other webcomics with actually good representation so like,, just read those

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[soul-cairn]

meat rose being an ultimate seer of light is such a tragedy to me because she KNOWS everything that dirk is up to but she can't directly INVOLVE herself (at least not in the way dirk or alt-calliope do). she can only witness it, as a seer does. and in her absolute lack of control over dirk's control, she chose the only choice she's given: to give in, to become rosebot, to fuck off into outer space to play the game again with dirk and terezi. at least if she's choosing to do it, she is, in a way, regaining control.

of course, in order to keep that sense of control, she can't let anyone else know that she knows. not even terezi, who's in the same boat as her. so, when dirk is controlling the narrative, she plays dumb. she acts like she doesn't see it; she closes her eyes. because what other choice does she have?