#histography

[sneakystorms]

I have to say there is something thrilling in seeing two bullshit writers furiously attack the vague, nonsensical statements of another bullshit writer

[rin-tezuka]

https://www.tumblr.com/spacelazarwolf/759398506029088768/

like sorry but you’re never gonna hear me defending the fucking ussr. the ussr committed cultural genocide against its jews and carried out executions of jews based on nothing but stalin’s paranoia. one of my closest friends is jewish and was born in ukraine to family who had survived pogroms only to have the government literally make being jewish illegal. i’ve watched her struggle to reclaim everything her family lost. she doesn’t have any judaica passed down to her from her family because it was all destroyed. she doesn’t know ukrainian very well because russia has worked for decades to suppress it. i watched her sob after we read a chapter from “people love dead jews” about a jewish actor who was a huge name in yiddish theater who was executed by the soviets for the crime of being jewish. so i have zero interest in giving tankies the benefit of the doubt. in fact i’d like them to stay the fuck away from me forever.

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Insane how liberal histography equates the Empire and them doing progroms whenever wherever and the USSR not doing that

[sabottori]

Girls I know describing themselves as 'bimbos' before offering insightful analysis on the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, medieval religious practices and histography, or modern electoral trends and political history.

[itihaaskitab]

indus valley civilization

The Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) is one of the oldest civilizations in the world which started from around 3300 BCE to 1300 BCE and is also known as Harappan civilization. It is widely spread over the vast areas of present-day Pakistan, northwestern India, and northeast Afghanistan. The first sites of this civilization were discovered in the valley of the Indus and its tributaries. Therefore, its name given as Indus valley civilization or Indus civilization.

 The official announcement of the discovery of the Indus valley civilization was made by John Marshall, Director General of Archaeological Survey of India in 1924. This discovery uncovered the India’s important past which was roughly contemporary to the time period of Mesopotamian and Egyptian civilization. These 3 are considered as great Bronze Age civilizations. With the static discoveries , different perspectives and views were added by historians in the histography of this civilization led to various debates and discussions among them. The 2 earliest known sites of this civilisation were Mohenjodaro and Harappa now located in Indus valley of present-day Pakistan.

[ontologic-catgirl]

When the ancient greek teacher decides where doing orthdox saint histographies and then assigns 3 different Sabas's in a row to make the finale extra fun

[chwyyy]

Nice visualization of history via Wikipedia.

[evilelitest2]

Sorry, I should've been more clear. I was asking in context of the earlier question you answered about pre colonial Africa. Many of the factors you mentioned are obscuring the history in Africa also affect the pre Columbian Americas, like the bias toward monument building societies who had standing armies and writing, but like you said, the extent of the genocide against indigenous Americans is bigger than in Africa, so that's the kind of comparison I was thinking of.

Oh ok, so like an overview of the continental historiography, yeah I can do that.  

one interesting comparison between the two continents is that in both, certain specific civilizations get a lot of love and attention while most get neglected.  The Aztecs, Inca, and Maya, as well as specific North American tribes (Apache, Iroquois/Haudenosaunee, Sioux) get a TON of attention and focus, while others are totally neglected and ignored.  Just like how in Africa, certain parts of African history get a lot of love (Egypt, the Zulu, Ethiopia) but the rest are neglected.  

So like with Africa, you have a few of the same factors that makes pre-Columbian American history get neglected.  

1) Racism, like with Africa you have the problem of non white history, where the major historical institutions just do not put as much money and energy into the subject as those with white people.  There is so much more written about Native history post 1492 than prior.  However, its actually less neglected than SubSaharan African history is, because white people actually came to live in the America and got interested in the history (eventually).  So you will find a lot more books in English on the history and culture of various Amazonian people groups than those of the Congo.  This probably also has to do with the fact that in many South American countries, Natives or mixed race descendants, still make up a large part of the populations of these nations and play an active part in the historical/political community.  And since these nations are new and generally speaking more powerful than the new African states (wow that is a generalization I am going to respect as all the Nigerains and South Africans get pissed at me) there is a more established histographical tradition 

2) Lack of written sources, or in the case of the Inca, we still haven’t figured out the written sources translation.  Its actually a lot worse than Africa, because while there were Native civilizations that got written languages, a lot less than Africa, and Africa has the advantage of having accounts from Arabic traders in the middle ages.   Once you take into account the centuries of destruction, and we are actually left worse than Africa on that account

3) A multitude of languages.  This isn’t as bad as in Africa though, because most of these are filtered through Spanish, Portuguese or English, so if you speak one of those, it opens up a ton of options for you.  So while the language barrier is still a problem, if you are willing to learn English suddenly there are a tone of new options 

4) Neglect because you didn’t build the big thing.  The Americas gets this less than Africa because some of the “tribal” cultures became huge like...fetish items for various settler civilizations, and while there are a LOT of problems with that (see below) it does mean that groups like the Sioux will get more historical attention.  This tends to only apply to some people groups over others though.  

Then there are some unique challenging facing Native American history vs Africa  

5) Massive genocide on an almost unimaginable scale.  Don’t get me wrong, the colonization of Africa was abominable and was full to the brim of various genocides.  However the vast majority of the African civilizations who were subjected to colonization are...still around.  Subjected to cultural erasure and murder but they still exist.  Meanwhile with the Native Americans, entire regions are just...gone forever.  And this isn’t just because the Europeans were a lot more genocidal focused in the Americas than in Africa (thought that is a factor). A big factor is the “Great Dying” which was the series of plagues unleashed by the arrival of the europeons, which possibly killed up to 90% of the new world, up to 110 million people, sometimes even before Europeans even encountered them.  Then Europeans massacred like 90% of people on top of that.  SInce most of what we rely upon here is oral history...yeah that really hurts.   

6) Deliberate cultural erasure.  This was also evident in Africa but was never really as successful, the various colonial regimes in the Americas really made an effort to wipe out native culture, and while entirely successful, which adds to the problem of oral history

7) However, due to the US being the most powerful nation in the world, it does mean that a lot of historical societies who are into local history get into Native American history, so despite all of those disadvantages, Pre Columbia Americna history is actually a lot easier to access than most African history, because there is a ton of interest.  I’ve studied at three universities in the US and all of them offered some sort of Native history course, and none of them offered a pre colonial African, and some of these research schools have been around for centuries.  Now there is the problem of cultural fetishism, where white people start to take on a Utopian vision of pre Columbian society which just gets in the way of real history, but there is genuine interest so it is a LOT easier to get into Native History, doubly so if you can read Spanish.  

[keen19thcenturygoatsstudent]

Hahhhhh I forgot what studying was like. I also feel more comfortable with the Irish history problems than the country I grew up and live in. #historianproblems

This is also only half of my set text stuff. And I have 6 text books and entire libraries too. I didn't half pick a challenge.

[4hourfearlessleader]

histography dot jpeg

People sometimes ask me, Ivan, isn't history just a series of facts? I mean it's just what happened isn't it? Is there really any role for interpretation? Is there really anything new?

People sometimes ask me, Ivan, isn't history just made up? Isn't it just people manipulating it so that it says what they want? Can we ever really know what really happened?

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. This is how history works:

When you hear history you like, that benefits you and your politics and your philosophy, that sits well with what you already thought, that history is just facts, it's just what happened, and you can't argue with facts.

When you hear history you don't like, that challenges you and your politics and your philosophy, that contradicts what you already thought, then that history is just made up, and someone is manipulating it, and the past is unknowable.

[uartslibraries]

The Routledge Companion to Jazz Studies

edited by Nicholas Gebhardt, Nichole Rustin-Paschal, and Tony Whyton

call #: ML3506 .R73 2019 

[triumph-of-adaptation]

𝙇𝙤𝙣𝙜 𝘼𝙨 𝙄 𝘾𝙖𝙣 𝙎𝙚𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙇𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 - Hayley Beth, 2021

[corwood]

This is amazing!

[academia-machiavelli]

In the 6th grade I read “The Lost Hero” by Rick Riordan, and here I am now my junior year of college, studying history and writing my first histography about Medusa

[absolxguardian]

A good example of how to do this is what the Jewish Museum of Rome does. Other than the fact it's run by the people of the culture, it is a great example of how to handle sacred objects. Torahs aren't supposed to be displayed because of their holy nature, so the muesum only has pictures and a reproduction (the right shape, no text). But there's a room full of mappah (coverings) rimonim (ornaments). Many of them are too old to handle, but a lot of them are cycled in and out of use and lent to other synagogues in Italy. Most of them were donated by families centuries ago to some synagogue or another and would just be sitting in storage without the muesum. The muesum even works to reunite sets of artifacts that were scattered during ww2.

Another example of something similar are all the Torah that were found, catalogued to the point where their exact location of origin was known, in warehouses after the fall of Nazi Germany. Almost none of them had synagogues that still existed for them to be returned to. A Jewish organization (notice how things are done correctly when they're done by peiple of that culture) in London obtained all of them, but since those that were still in usable condition shouldn't be burried* or displayed in muesums, they're lent out to other synagogues around the world, especially to those who wouldn't be able to afford one. My own congregation has one, and I even preformed my bat mitzvah with it.

*Any text with the name of God on it cannot be thrown away, but instead must be burried in what's basically a book funeral. I assume that's what happened to the damaged Torahs.

Good morning,

museums should repatriate artifacts belonging to living cultures and display reproductions instead

[star--nymph]

all i wanna do is write and draw Cullavellan stuff but then BOOM

histography paper due in three hours for a book I haven't finish reading hAHAHAHAHAA