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Jayce Talis, the love of my life and light to my soul <33333 Nobody in the fandom understands you like I do 😔 I’m back with another Arcane design, and had to do Jayce to match with Viktor. Even though I love Viktor a lot, Jayce is also a favorite that I love so much. I have no shame in admitting this, im a die hard Jayce fan. I adore that smart silly science man so much, he’s so intriguing and I find him so relatable and human. Wish the fandom wasn’t mean to him and actually understood his character and motives :(((((( Be nice to my little guy please 🥺 But yeah I love and adore Jayce 🥹🥹🥹
Design fact under the cut! It somewhat contains a spoiler but I still don’t want to spoil anyone in case they plan to watch season 2/haven’t finished it:
Design fact: He and Viktor share a butterfly motif on their cheeks (I’m going to update Viktor’s design in a bit) It represents the butterfly that appears for them constantly throughout the show and just demonstrates their connection between each other!
#jayce talis#jayce arcane#arcane#my art#catified#design#catified design#catified arcane#hope i dont sound too sensitive but please no jayce hate on this post ^^;#i know the fandom isn’t the best towards him but i really love jayce and don’t want something I worked on for him to contain hate ;w;#i usually don’t like being this straightforward but im just a bit nervous of someone possibly hating jayce on this 😭#anyway now to ramble about this man lol#jayce talis my beloved <333333#one of the best characters written on the show i love you mr jayce talis#also hes el salvadorian to me because i adore him and i say so >:3cccc#i love his dynamic with so many of the characters in the show#he just works so well with everyone#his relationship with viktor has changed the trajectory of my life#they have ruined me (in a good way tho lol)
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I’m curious how you think Jayce and Viktor’s romantic/sexual relationship most likely unfolded within the context of the two Arcane seasons. Do you think it would have looked something like the trajectory from Distinguished Innovators or were they just pining for each other but entirely oblivious of the other person's feelings until the very end (especially with what you said at some point about the possibility of Mel being Jayce’s first)
Hmm, so there's fanfic and canon to consider here. I think with fanfic, it can be anything the author desires.
Technically, I think the most canon-accurate romantic read of what's happening on the page is that Jayce and Viktor have feelings for each other but neither is totally aware of their feelings until Jayce has his moment staring into the fire in 2.07 when he "chooses" Viktor. Then Jayce basically confesses during their big final scene and we get a lot of hints that Viktor has felt the same way or been silently and hopelessly pining for him and now they're finally together.
But that never quite works for me because it requires a little too much "carrying the idiot ball" like... these guys spent the entire time skip between 1.03-1.04 in close quarters at all hours of the day creating Hextech together. That's before Jayce becomes the "Man of Progress" or any of that stuff and was just a regular and possibly crazy researcher who almost got banished, so it can't always be a status difference. And Jayce is so affectionate, and he falls for Mel so quickly, I really truly struggle to imagine that with no barriers to a relationship (Runeterra canonically does not have homophobia) they wouldn't have gotten together sooner if something else wasn't in the way.
So, personally, I think that they've tried to or come very close to a relationship in the past, but something prevented them from going all the way and now it's that near-miss is still there in their physicality with one another, and both might still long for it, but one of them is holding it back from happening while the other just thinks it's hopeless and I honestly think after S2 it's Viktor holding back because of his declining health, while Jayce is the one thinking he hasn't got a shot so he might as well, tragically, look elsewhere.
And I'll go into a bit more detail on why I believe that for a romantic read of these two:
(Obviously you can just go the boring old "cuz they're not romantic" but I think that's dull and reductive and presumably not why anyone is the Jayvik tag)
I also don't totally buy the idea that they hadn't figured it out yet? These are two young men in their 20s, who basically instantly connect with one another, share everything, and are openly physically affectionate with each other from the first. In my fic Distinguished Innovators there's a certain amount of shyness and the fact they're just busy to deal with but they're still young men, it's why the fic postulates a physical relationship between them that isn't exclusive or official and thus doesn't change their status as "partners".
But in fics of mine like Parley I first floated another possibility that with time I find more convincing argument: Viktor knows he doesn't have long to live, so he's resolved to keep a certain distance from Jayce and not interfere with any sort of love life he might have (even if it destroys him with jealousy) because he doesn't want Jayce to be totally destroyed by his death, which given how openly affectionate Jayce is, seems inevitable.
This one works for me increasingly because it means the characters don't need to carry the idiot ball. Viktor can have his own strong reasons for not wanting to involve Jayce in that kind of relationship and Jayce can read that Viktor doesn't want to be involved with him in that way, and maybe they even got close and he was pushed back, and he's just respecting that now because he's just happy to have his soulmate in his life in any way he can have him (which I truly sincerely believe is a canonically supported read of Jayce no matter how romantic you see their relationship).
Then the tricky thing about a disease like that is... how much time does he actually have? If it's months, he should focus on leaving a legacy, which Viktor does. If it's years, in theory, they could work on a cure for him, but what if that doesn't work? Then you run into the tragedy of the longer he lives, the more he comes to regret not being with Jayce anyway. Then there's the question of a Hextech cure. I can see Viktor resolving to himself that if he's ever cured, then he'll confess to Jayce. Which feels all but impossible at the end of S1 when Sky dies, but then in 2.08, in the Council chamber scene, it really feels like Viktor finally feels like he's allowed to openly pursue Jayce because he's "perfect" now, and that to me is a linchpin of the idea that Viktor was holding himself back from pursuing Jayce openly because of his health.
Oh and I still think it's possible that Mel is Jayce's first as a result, or very near his first if him and Viktor maybe fooled around a bit or if Jayce had other relationships before that. But there is something very innocent in the way Jayce approaches sleeping with Mel that to me feels very much like he's had only a couple partners or fewer at the very least, if he hasn't been outright "saving himself for marriage" levels of hoping Viktor will notice him someday, which is my Jayvik romantic read of that moment he pauses before returning Mel's kiss, he's thinking, "Do I realistically have a shot with Viktor?" and concluding sadly that, no, he doesn't so he might as well stop denying himself a possible relationship over it anymore.
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The man who's stayed with Rafael Nadal through good and bad
Rafael Nadal has his eye on winning his tenth Roland Garros title, and he wasted little time moving another round closer Friday after defeating Georgian Nikoloz Basilashvili 6-0, 6-1, 6-0. "I think I played great," said Nadal. "I think at the beginning of the match, I thought my opponent was not playing bad, but I was able to produce winners, to play with no mistakes, to play very long. I hit with a very high intensity on all the shots. It was a great match for me. I won, with that score, against a player who had already beaten [Gilles] Simon and [Viktor] Troicki. I played very well." This places him in the fourth round, and as Rafa closes in the finals, it's with mixed emotions as his longtime coach and uncle will be ending his time instructing from just outside the court. [pdf-embedder url="https://movietvtechgeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/french-open-round-3-mens-singles.pdf" title="french open round 3 mens singles"] The history of tennis is cluttered with family-run coaching experiments — some successful, some disastrous — and mostly has involved parents overseeing their children, from Gloria Connors to Richard Williams to Judy Murray. Few coaching partnerships have been as effective and enduring as the uncle-nephew tandem of Toni and Rafael Nadal. An instructor both in tennis and life to Rafael from the age of 3, Toni’s lifelong stewardship has helped build one of the most prolific tennis careers ever. It includes four Davis Cup titles, two Olympic gold medals, the No. 1 ranking and 14 Grand Slam titles, including an unprecedented nine at the French Open. Equally rare is the coaching-student relationship that lasts the entire arc of a player’s competitive trajectory, from prodigy to long-established champion. “Toni is the most important person in my tennis career without a doubt,” Rafael Nadal, who advanced to Sunday’s fourth round of the French Open as the No. 4 seed, said Wednesday. In February, Toni Nadal announced that he would step aside as Rafael’s primary coach at the end of the year to concentrate on nurturing talent at the newly opened Rafa Nadal Academy in the family’s native island of Mallorca in the Mediterranean. Carlos Moya, the former No. 1 and fellow Mallorcan, already had been added to Rafael’s team in December, along with established part-time coach Francisco Roig. The impending transition adds particular resonance to their 13th journey to Paris, where they have left an indelible imprint on the only Grand Slam played on clay. “Maybe if he pays the ticket, I go” again, Toni joked this past week. If his principal coaching role will change, few expect the 57-year-old with the calm mien and folksy charm to fade into the shadows. Toni quickly emphasized that if his nephew calls, he would, of course, make the trip. There was pride and poignancy, however, when he explained that Rafael, who turned 31 on Saturday, doesn’t need his presence to succeed. Toni’s influence spans a lifetime. An uncle more than a coach Toni Nadal shrewdly convinced his nephew to play with his left hand when he abandoned a double-handed forehand as a child, though Rafael still eats and writes with his right hand. He preached the ethic of hard work and constant improvement. He never let Rafael forget he was a person first and a tennis player second. “I say hundred of times,” Rafael said, “but he’s my uncle more than my coach.” With Toni, lessons on and off the court always carried a larger message. Speaking to a small group of reporters this past week, Toni recounted the time Rafael won his first junior Spanish championship. He was 11. Toni’s next move? It wasn’t praise. It was perspective. He phoned the Spanish Tennis Federation and asked them to mail him a list of the previous 25 champions of that same tournament (there was no Internet at that time, he reminded the group). When it arrived, he sat his nephew down to peruse the list of names. A few stuck out — an Albert Costa here, a Sergi Bruguera there — but most were unknowns. “This,” Toni told him, “is the possibility you have.” Thus, Toni passed on, in plain terms, a tutorial on the dangers of complacency. “It is difficult to improve when you are completely satisfied,” Toni said. In the tightknit Nadal clan, Toni always has operated within a system of honesty, tough love and mutual respect. Not that he and Rafael don’t go at it at times. “They are going to survive a bad match, a bad run, a bad fight, a disagreement of opinion,” said Tennis Channel commentator Justin Gimelstob, who has twice visited Rafael’s childhood stomping grounds on Mallorca. He added that, over 27 years, Toni’s wealth of knowledge — a kind of “ownership” — of Rafael’s game is one few coaches ever achieve. Unlike many filial coaching ventures, their relationship has thrived because they are a step removed from the more typical arrangement, Gimelstob added. “It’s family, but it doesn’t come with the same emotional dynamics as a parent,” he said. Toni insists it is talent that has made Rafael the most successful man in history on clay. Earlier this spring, he surpassed Guillermo Vilas’s record of 49 clay titles. Rafael now has 52. But the exacting Toni clarified his definition. “What is talent?” he said. “Talent is the capacity of work.” Talent has paid off. Following two seasons in which Rafael struggled with confidence and injuries, Toni and Rafael sat down at the Mallorca Academy, which opened in October, to strategize a comeback. Toni told Rafael he had to improve his serve, shore up his competitive attitude and most of all restore the punch to his lethal forehand, which allows him to dictate points and pummel opponents into submission. At times the past few seasons, his whipsaw forehand missed its mark, often at crucial moments. This year, he is unleashing it with deadly precision. The one constant A resilient return on hard courts this year, including a runner-up finish to Roger Federer at the Australian Open, set him up for his favored clay, on which he already has won three titles this spring. Rafael upped his record to 20-1 on the surface this year by crushing Nikoloz Basilashvili of Georgia, 6-0, 6-1, 6-0, in 90 minutes Friday. He advanced to the French Open’s fourth round, where he will face fellow Spaniard and No. 17 seed Roberto Bautista Agut. He hasn’t dropped a set in Paris, and Friday’s victory pushed his five-set record on clay to an astounding 98-2. “The forehand is so much better,” Toni said. So is his ability to pull out matches when he’s struggling with his form. Moya, the 1998 French Open winner, cited Rafael’s five-set defeat of rising star Alexander Zverev of Germany in the third round of the Australian Open as a “turning point” this season. “One of the best things he’s been doing this year is to compete,” Moya said. Toni played down the idea that ending a chapter that started when Nadal won his first French Open as a leaping, fist-pumping teenager in 2005 was anything special. Still, winning a 10th title — “La Decima” — would be an important milestone after a three-year Grand Slam drought. Rafael’s most recent major win was here in 2014. “It’s a little different because the last two years Rafael hasn’t won a Grand Slam,” he said. Whatever the result in Paris, neither expects major alternations to their relationship. Watching Moya ease into his new role has helped Toni let go of some responsibility. But change is change. Andy Murray, whose mother, Judy, coached him as a youngster, said he expected Toni to stay involved in Rafael’s career, even if he will be less present on the road. “I’m sure there will be a small period of adjustment for Rafa, as well, because he’s used to looking up into his box and seeing Toni there,” said Murray, the world’s top-ranked player. “He’s been the one constant in his career.” The Spanish star isn’t about to allow nostalgia to create any blind spots with another championship on the line. “I cannot be thinking if Toni is leaving or not leaving,” Rafael said. Toni is not fretting over his decision. He said he would be just as content watching the sun come up over the sea in Mallorca and teaching the next generation of talent at the family’s academy as he would be wandering the streets of Paris or seeing Rafael, in his signature gesture, sink his teeth into another Coupe des Mousquetaires trophy at Roland Garros in another week. “When I am in Paris I am very, very happy,” Toni said, recalling a recent meandering stroll from Montmartre to Notre-Dame Cathedral to the Saint-Germain-des-Prés district. “But at home I am very happy, too.” “I try to be happy everywhere,” he added. “Here or there.” A perfect ending to 2017? Toni smiled widely. His answer — simple, direct, ambitious — befit the man. “To win Roland Garros, Wimbledon and the U.S. Open,” he laughed.
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