#henri d'orleans

[roehenstart]

Élisabeth-Marguerite d'Orléans, petite-fille de France (1646-1696). Par Charles et Henri Beaubrun.

[english-history-trip]

Depiction of Mary I at 11 years old as part of an illustration of her betrothal contract with Henri, duc d'Orleans, 1527.

Mary had previously been betrothed to the eldest son of Francis I of France, but her father Henry VIII broke the engagement when the relationship between the two countries soured. After her subsequent betrothal to Emperor Charles V fell through, Henry turned back to France for a marriage with Francis's second son, Henri. This betrothal would be abandoned after Mary's legitimacy was called into question during Henry's annulment to her mother. Henri, later Henri II of France, would marry Catherine de Medici, and Mary would marry Philip II of Spain, son of Charles V.

[caracarnn]

ROLEPLAY HISTORY!

The rules are simple! Post characters you’d like to roleplay as, have roleplayed as, and might bring back. Then tag ten people to do the same (if you can’t think of ten, just write down however many you can and tag that number of people). Please repost, don’t reblog!

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Rand al'Thor (the wheel of time)

Elayne Trakand (the wheel of time)

Andraste (dragon age)

Asmodean (the wheel of time)

Ciri (the witcher)

Daenerys Targaryen (asoiaf)

Dalinar Kholin (the stormlight archive)

Deirdre Mayfair (anne rice)

Elend Venture (mistborn)

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Julien Mayfair (anne rice)

Kaladin Stormblessed (the stormlight archive)

Kelsier (mistborn)

Mona Mayfair (anne rice)

Padme Amidala (star wars)

Perrin Aybara (the wheel of time) Renarin Kholin (the stormlight archive)

Robb Stark (asoiaf)

Rowan Mayfair (anne rice)

Shallan Davar (the stormlight archive)

Spook (mistborn)

Stella Mayfair (anne rice)

Tyrion Lannister (asoiaf)

Empress Tuon (the wheel of time)

Yennefer of Vengerberg (the witcher)

Anne of Austria (the musketeers)

Arno Dorian (assassin's creed)

Cesare Borgia (the borgias)

Daryl Dixon (the walking dead)

David 8 (alien)

Eleanor Guthrie (black sails)

Ellie (the last of us game)

Sir Gawain (the green knight)

Hannibal Lecter (hannibal)

James Flint (black sails)

Jamie Fraser (outlander)

Jesper Fahey (six of crows)

Katrina van Tassel (sleepy hollow)

Klaus Mikaelson (tvd)

Louis Pointe du Lac (anne rice)

Lucien Grimaud (the musketeers)

Magneto (xmen)

Obi Wan Kenobi (star wars)

Philippe d'Orleans (versailles)

Ragnar Lothbrok (vikings)

Rebekah Mikaelson (tvd)

Richie Gecko (from dusk till dawn)

Rick Grimes (the walking dead)

Sam Bridges (death stranding)

Ubbe Ragnarsson (vikings)

Victor Frankenstein (penny dreadful/novel)

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idk? lol I mean I always happen on someone new everyday so --- there are tons. I was looking for someone from the Dune novels but idk. Lestat? DONT KNOW

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Steve Rogers (mcu)

Athos (the musketeers)

Porthos (the musketeers)

Loki (mcu)

Natasha Romanoff (mcu)

Doctor Strange (mcu)

Lanfear (the wheel of time)

Dr. Thresden (ahs)

every sarah paulson ahs character ever lol

mark (orphan black)

John Constantine (dc)

Oliver Queen (arrow)

Sylar (heroes)

Claire Bennett (heroes)

Sara Howard (the alienist)

Lucius Isaacson (the alienist)

Freydis (vikings)

Katia (vikings)

Aslaug (vikings)

Thor (mcu)

Edward Kenway (assassin's creed)

a bunch of other assassin's creed characters lol

Alina Starkov (shadow and bone)

Genya Safin (shadow and bone)

Luke Crain (Haunting of Hill House)

Eva Villanueva  (high seas)

Lola ( reign)

Bash (reign)

Henry & Catherine (reign)

Michael Curry (anne rice)

Every Mayfair character ever lol (anne rice)

Santanico (from dusk till dawn)

Clarke Griffin (the 100)

Quicksilver (mcu)

Jensen (the losers)

Aragorn (lotr)

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[inky-duchess]

Hi, Duchess! I was wondering if you knew of any German royals who married French ones?

Marie Antoinette & Louis XVI, Philippe duc d'Orleans & Elizabeth Charlotte, Princess Palatine, Gerberga of Saxony & Louis IV, Matilda of Frisia & Henri I, Isabeau of Bavaria & Charles VI, Elizabeth of Austria and Charles IX, Marie Louise of of Austria and Napoleon

[madameserpent]

.....How did I only just now realize that in 1x02 of The Tudors, they give the Dauphin's name as Henri Philippe???? Ummmm Henri II was one-year-old at the time of the Field of the Cloth of Gold and would've been the Duc d'Orleans. His elder brother, Francis named after their dad, was very much alive and therefore the heir. And Idk where the fuck Philippe came from. Both brothers were proposed as husbands for Mary at different points, though, so I guess this is semi-acceptable.

[pastedpast]

Charles I, son of James VI and I and Anne of Denmark, married Henrietta Maria of France in 1625 and together they had nine children. The first was stillborn, while the second was to become Charles II in 1660, following the rule, primarily, of the Lord Protector, Oliver Cromwell. The third child was a daughter, Mary, Princess Royal, who married William II, Prince of Orange, and the fourth was to become James II of England, the last Catholic King of England. He was deposed in the Glorious Revolution of 1688, which I think I'm right in saying was led by his niece and nephew, Mary and William. Of the remaining children, Elizabeth, Anne, Catherine, Henry Stuart, the Duke of Gloucester, and Henriette Anne, none survived beyond the age of 26.

Notes garnered from the publisher's synopsis and advertising blurbs:

The English Civil War led to the execution of King Charles I in January 1649. He was, even his wife and key advisers conceded, lacking in the essential strength that a ruler required, in turbulent times. But even Charles's enemies were moved by his loving devotion as a father. Sadly, his failure as a king inevitably impacted their lives.

The Restoration of the crown to his eldest son as Charles II occurred eleven years later.

Henrietta Maria was an unpopular but indefatigable Catholic queen.

Their family life was calm and loving until it was shattered by civil war.

Elizabeth and Henry were used as pawns in the parliamentary campaign against their father. [How/in what way?]

Mary, the Princess Royal, was whisked away to the Netherlands as the child bride of the Prince of Orange. ADD LINK TO PREVIOUS POST. [Their son was to become William of Orange, who married his cousin, Mary, daughter of James II. Together they led the Glorious Revolution of 1688 and ruled as Mary II and Wiliam III].

[Presumably during the era of the Protectorate,] Henriette Anne's formidable governess escaped with her, the king's youngest child, to France where she grew up under her mother's thumb and eventually married the cruel and flamboyant Philippe d'Orleans.

When the "dark and ugly" brother Charles eventually succeeded his father to the English throne after fourteen years of wandering [the crown was restored eleven years after his father's execution, so why had he been in exile for fourteen years???], he promptly enacted a vengeful punishment on those who had spurned his family, with his brother James firmly in his shadow.

The book charts the fascinating story of the children of loving parents who could not protect them from the consequences of their own failings as monarchs and the forces of upheaval sweeping England.

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[blackswaneuroparedux]

L’Histoire! Depuis mon enfance je pourrais dire que je n’ai cessé de trébucher sur elle! Nos aïeux, nos demeures, nos souvenirs, se confondent avec l’Histoire de France.**

- Isabelle, Comtesse de Paris

Isabelle Marie Amelie Louise Victoire Thérése Jeanne of Orléans and Bragança otherwise known as Isabelle, Comtesse of Paris, was a grand dame contemporary France. She was a renowned and stylish beauty, her photograph appeared in magazines throughout the world and she published biographies of ancestors who had been queens of France.

For many French royalists today her name today is still spoken with reverance. In many ways her death in 2003 at the ripe age of 92 years old was an an immeasurable loss to the French royalist cause. Her popularity was due to her character and that appeal was more favourably seen than the aloof haughtiness of its republican leaders from de Gaulle to Chirac.

When I have dinner with my French partner’s family and their circle of close knit friends her name often comes up as a way to lament the current crop of hapless Orléans descendents and how Republican France has lost its way.

I confess I didn’t know too much about her as she died around the time I was just a wee child. But living here in Paris as an adult (and foreign outsider) I have come across her ghost in late night laments over cigars and cognac as to what a wonderful and robust character she was from those who were her friends or knew her well.

In many ways such French royalists (a minority to be sure but still more than one might suppose) often believe that she would have made a worthy monarch than her hapless husband, Henri.

Indeed Isabelle was married for 68 years to the pretender to the French throne, Henri d'Orléans, the Comte de Paris ( who died in June 1999), whom she believed should have been Henri VI, King of France. She too was an Orléans, the great-great grandaughter of Louis-Philippe I, France's last king, who lost his throne in the revolution of 1848.

She was thus sometimes called the Princess of France, but, although tolerant of this indulgence, her loyalty was firmly to the royalist cause and to her husband's work.

Isabelle was born in 1911 at the Chateau d'Eu, in Normandy, where Queen Victoria and Prince Albert had been received in 1843 by Louis-Philippe and the first entente cordiale had been established. She was the eldest daughter of Pierre d'Orléans-Bragance, whose mother was the daughter of the Emperor of Brazil, and Elizabeth Dobrzenski, of an aristocratic Czech family.

She thus had a rich background, linked to the royal families of France, Portugal and Brazil, and to the old Bohemian aristocracy. All her life she cherished these connections, encouraging her own daughter to decorate her chateau of Le Lude, in the Sarthe, with a portrait of her ancestor, the Emperor Pedro II of Brazil.

Isabelle spent much of her childhood at the chateau d'Eu, and was educated by the sisters of Notre-Dame de Sion in Paris. In 1931, at the age of 19, she married her cousin Henri, who, since 1926, had been heir to the French throne.

The wedding had not been easy to arrange. By a law of 1886, those who claimed descent from a French monarch were not allowed to live in France, so the comte, who had been brought up in Morocco, Belgium and elsewhere, could not be married in France. He attempted to arrange the ceremony in Brussels but, apprehensive about royalist demonstrations there, the French persuaded the Belgians to refuse permission. In the end, the wedding took place in Palermo, Siciliy.

It was, none the less, a famous occasion. Many royal families were represented, and French royalists attended in their thousands, led by Charles Maurras and Léon Daudet of Action Francaise; it was widely reported that their cry was "Vive le Roi". The bride wore a dress by Worth, decorated with fleurs de lys.

Isabelle's famed good humour was tested by the complications of exile - for many years she and the comte stayed in Belgium, Brazil, Morocco and Spain, after sharing with relatives. The situation changed dramatically in 1950 when the government in Paris, beset by war in Indochina, repealed the 1866 law, and the comte and comtesse returned to live at Coer-Volant, a manor house in Louveciennes.

But still life had many difficulties. Isabelle's relations with her husband were often problematic, and they began to live apart. Henri was not an easy Pretender - he squandered a fortune, and not too discreetly kept a mistress. He was, after all, an Orleans as Isabelle stoically observed.

Henri was busy publishing news bulletins and negotiating with a wide range of politicians; at one point, he hoped to succeed General de Gaulle as president of France. Then he quarrelled with his eldest son and heir, and spent his money recklessly. But Isabelle never complained: "I'm sorry for my husband," she used to say. "I was never an obedient wife. I was too easily impatient." They separated in 1975; formally in 1986; but never divorced. Madame retained her dignity. When he died in 1999, Henri willed Isabelle any remaining worldly goods.

The saddest moment of her life was the death of her son François in 1960, while serving with the French army in Algeria. She said that his death was in the Orléanist tradition of serving France. Another of her sons, Thibert, died in a hunting accident in central Africa.

Isabelle was usually dressed in large hats, and wore a quadruple necklace of pearls. On special occasions, she also wore a famous sapphire and diamond tiara that had once belonged to the famous Marie-Antoinette. In addition to three volumes of memoirs, she published biographies of Marie-Amélie, the wife of Louis-Philippe I, and Marie-Antoinette.

She died in 2003 at the grand old age of 92. She was survived by nine of her 11 children, and more than 100 descendants. It has been said to me that none of her descendants have ever come close to her populist charisma, fun loving and good humour, quiet intelligence, chic style, genuine humility, and robust sense of noblesse oblige. Some have quietly withered away into bourgeois conformism, others into social obscurity, and a few morphing into spoiled Euro trash brats (the latter is well known to me from my Swiss boarding school days).

Her funeral was a cause of considerable widespread sadness. She had her faults of course but even here she was not lacking in self-awreness. She used to say, “"Cultivez vos défauts, c'est ce que vous avez de mieux." (Cultivate your faults, that’s the ebst you have). And yet even her most anti-royalist detractors noted their admiration for her down to earth good nature and easy charm. She was the nation’s favourite grandmother who stuffed your pockets with bonbons (candy) and told you how much you were loved as someone said in reflection. And that mischievous fun loving laugh, they still hear it today in some homes. As the grandmother of a friend who also was a good friend of Isabelle, Comtesse de Paris, put it, ““C’etait une grande dame....beaucoup de classe et de dignité. Elle aurait fait une bonne reine.”

**History! Since my childhood one could say that one never stopped stumbling on it! Our ancestors, our homes, our memories, merge with the History of France,

[skeleton-richard]

@menoitiades-official hope you don't mind me making a thread to respond easier!

Sorry for the confusion on the names! Half the French royal court was named Charles it seems.

There isn't any basis for Orleans/Louis in history. They were historically first cousins (though that doesnt mean anything, cousins hooked up all the time in the Middle Ages), I don't think they even knew each other very well since they were a few years apart and raised separately and Orleans had been busy with being the head of his duchy and his dad's politcal faction since he was 13 and his dad was murdered, long story. Louis wasn't even at Agincourt, he was really sickly and actually died in December of that year at like 17. Orleans was 20 at the time of Agincourt and maybe it's possible that Louis looked up to him!

Within the text, I think Orleans is nicer about Louis than the Constable is, which makes sense considering the Constable is a much older, more experienced soldier who doesn't appreciate the royal brat who thinks he's so great. You could definitely play up Orleans and Louis's comradery in performance! That's the great thing about Shakespeare, he lets you decide how the characters act. The members of Team France just seem kind of shipable, Orleans/Constable is a thing with me and @malvoliowithin , and a couple years ago @themummersfolly wrote me an amazing Constable/trans!Montjoy fic. I'm sure Louis would at least try to get in there somewhere.

[acrossthewavesoftime]

Don't Mess with the Princess: "In the little box I put a turd of the Queen’s dogs"

Recently, I discovered the memoirs of Sophie von Hannover in the original French; and while I was aware and had read an, in hindsight rather inaccurate, German translation, I wanted to wait until I could get my hands on the real deal to share this amusing episode with you.

Written in 1680–81, at 50 and having grown somewhat wistful after the loss of two of her siblings in one year, Sophie decided to sit down and compose a text recounting her life. Her memoir consist of often, but not always amusing episodes (such as helping Monsieur, Louis XIV's brother, arrange his jewellery collection while the latter was only dressed in his night attire) and insightful gazes into the strange world of life at different European courts from the point of view of a woman aware and insistent on her status, yet also equipped with a refreshingly no-nonsense attitude, a dash of healthy scepticism and a wry sense of humour even in the face of personal tragedy and turmoil.

Sophie of the Palatinate aged 11 by Gerard van Honthorst, 1641, in the collection of the Detroit Institute of Art. The portrait and the two incidents recounted below seem to date to the same year.

The daughter of the Bohemian "Winter King" Frederick V of the Palatinate and Elizabeth Stuart, daughter of James I, Sophie was born and raised in exile; her father had lost his briefly-held crown during the Thirty Years' War. With her brothers and sisters, of which she, the 12th of 13 children was the youngest to survive, she was raised at Leiden, away from her widowed mother's court at The Hague because, she suspected, "the sight of her guenons and dogs was more agreeable to her than that of us." After the death of her little brother at around 10 to 11 years and being the only remaining child in the nursery, the household at Leiden was dissolved, and Sophie sent to live with her mother and sisters at The Hague, where her quick wit made her a centre of court life:

[…] The Prince of Taranto [Henri Charles de La Trémoille, 1620–1672] was among them, who avoided me like the plague, having not enough wit to defend himself. Among the others there were Monsieur de Zulestem and Marigné. One of them was Flemish, the natural son of Prince [Frederick] Henry of Orange, and his taunts were not very polite. One day, I found them too familiar, and in order to avenge myself in the field and to thoroughly wash his head [literal translation of the German phrase jemandem den Kopf waschen, meaning to tell someone off], I wanted to put my handkerchief in a basin from which is was customary for the Queen’s dogs to go to drink. But since there was such a great number of these animals, the basin was to be found empty, and I wetted my handkerchief in a place where the water was not so clear, which I threw in his face. My brother Moritz [1621–c. 1652], who had seen that the Queen’s chamber pot had served for my vengeance, did not hesitate to tell everyone about it in order to increase the mockery, from which the good Fleming found himself much disconcerted. […] One also wanted to play me another trick on the subject of the son of the Venetian ambassador by the name of Contarini, who was very handsome and who had frequently played with me. There was an Englishman called Vain, who was always teased on account of his great chin. He made a letter in the name of the little Venetian after he had departed and brought it to me to tease a reply from me on grounds of which one might taunt me. I detected his design and to give battle, I gave him a little box in secret wherein I told him was a ring and an accompanying letter from me for the little Venetian. In the little box I put a turd of the Queen’s dogs and in the letter, there was:

To Monsieur the confidant I give him this present It is long and it is formed Like his chin, which is deformed

Sadly, Sophie recalls having been responsible for a number of other shenanigans as well, but overtly states that they were not worthy of being recounted in a memoir. I beg to differ; alas, we can only imagine what else she got up to as a child...

I put the original French, plus the link to the full text below the cut!

The original French:

[…] Le prince de Tarente entre autres estoit de ceux-cy, qui me fuyoit comme la peste, n’ayant assez de vivacité pour se défendre. Parmy les autres il y avoit M. de Zulestem et Marigné. Comme l’un estoit Flamand, fils naturel du prince Henry d’Orange, ses railleries n’estoient pas fort polies. Je les trouvois un jour trop familières, et pour m’en vanger sur le champs et de luy bien mouiller la teste, je voulois mettre pour cela mon mouchoir dans un bassin d’eau oú les chiens de la reine avoient accoustumé d’aller boire. Mais comme le nombre estoit fort grand et ces animaux-là, le bain se trouva vide, et je mouillois mon mouchoir dans un endroit oú l’eau n’estoit pas si claire, que je luy jettois au visage. Mon frère Maurice, qui avoit vu que la chaise percée de la reine avoit servi à ma vengeance, ne manqua pas de le dire à tout le monde, pour rendre la raillerie plus forte, dont le bon Flamand se trouva fort déconcerté. […] On volut encor me faire pièce au sujet du fils de l’ambassadeur de Venise qui s’appelloit Contarini, qui estoit fort joli et qui avoit souvent joué avec moy. Il avoit un Anglois, nommé Vain, qu’on avoit toujours raillé sur son grand menton. Il fit une lettre au nom du petit Vénitien, après qu’il estoit parti, et me l’apporta, pour tirer de moy une réponse dont il auroit pu me railler. Je m’apperceus de son dessein et pour faire la contrebatterie je luy donnois en secret une petite boette oú je luy disois qu’il y avoit une bague que j’accompagnois d’une lettre pour le petit Vénitien. Dans la petite boette j’avois mis une crotte des chiens de la reine, et dans la lettre il y avoit:

Pour Monsieur le confident Je luy donne ce présent, Il est long et de la forme De son menton si déforme

Source:

Köcher, Adolf [Ed.]: Memoiren der Herzogin Sophie nachmals Kurfürstin von Hannover (Publicationen aus den Königlich Preussischen Staatsarchiven vol. 4), Leipzig 1879, p. 36 f.

[edwardiionlyfans]

Intermarriage in the house of Bourbon

[roehenstart]

Princess Blanche d'Orléans (1857-1932), daughter of Louis d'Orléans, Duc de Nemours and granddaughter of Louis Philippe I, King of France. By Henry Bone.

She was the fourth child of Louis, duc de Nemours and Victoire, daughter of Duke Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. She died, unmarried, in Paris, in 1932.

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[beardofkamenev]

The Virgin intercedes with Christ for the people of France (English, 1490s) — British Library, Royal MS 16 F ii, fol. 89

This miniature can be found in Henry VII’s copy of Charles d’Orléans’ Poésie: a selection of 166 poems written by Charles d’Orléans (1394–1465) during his captivity in England from 1415 to 1440. This is the only surviving manuscript of his work with major illustrations, featuring frontispiece miniatures with full borders at the beginning of three of his poems.

This illumination was carried out in the 1490s by the Master of the Prayer Books, likely under the direction of Henry VII’s royal librarian Quentin Poulet. The gold borders are decorated with a myriad of foliage, flowers, fruit, butterflies and birds, interspersed with Henry’s dynastic emblems. On the lower border is the white rose of York bowing before the red rose of Lancaster, flanked by Henry’s heraldic supporters: the White Greyhound of Richmond and the Red Dragon of Cadwaladr. On the right-hand side is a crowned portcullis: the badge of Henry’s mother, Lady Margaret Beaufort. On the left-hand side, an ostrich feather is pinned to the motto “ic dene” (ich dien, or “I serve”), the insignia of the Prince of Wales.

Set within that frame is the scene of the Crucifixion against a panorama of Paris. The view onto the Ile-de-la-Cité is from the Petit-Châtelet, the fortified bridge-gate on the south bank of the River Seine; above rise the unmistakable towers of Notre Dame. In the foreground is the crucified Christ, the Virgin Mary, and nine kneeling figures perhaps representing France. They are encircled by three French royal emblems invoked in the poem: a fluttering pennant with a golden cross and lilies (the Oriflamme); the crowned royal arms of France; and the Holy Ampulla, which the dove of the Holy Spirit brings down from heaven to anoint the kings of France at their coronations in Reims.

The poem introduced by this scene is Charles d’Orléans’ eleven-stanza complainte on his country’s misfortunes, France, jadis on te souloit nommer (c. 1433). The text reads:

France, iadis on te souloit nommer En tous pays le tresor de noblesse Car ung chascun povoit un toy trover Bonté, honneur, loyaulté, gentilesse.

France, in times past you were wont To be called in every land the treasure of nobility For every man could find in you Virtue, honor, loyalty, nobility.

The lyrics are written in a bold lettre batarde, with the first letters of each line executed in gold on a coloured background. The opening letter of each poem is similarly decorated on a larger scale, so that it occupies two or three lines. The finished effect is of a broad, solid band of rich colour down the left-hand side of each lyric, which provides a sumptuous, if not particularly delicate, impression.

Sources: British Library; Michel-André Bossy, ‘Charles d’Orléans and the Wars of the Roses: Yorkist and Tudor Implications of British Library MS Royal 16 F ii’ in Shaping Courtliness in Medieval France (2013); Julia Boffey, The Manuscript Context of English Courtly Love Lyrics, c. 1450-1530 (1983)

Thanks to @skeleton-richard for the translation of Charles’ poem!

[queenofglassbeliever]

I love my brotp.

[inky-duchess]

I have a few questions: Say the heir to the throne has two brothers. 1. I assume that the heir would be treated differently than the other two, but how would be the spare treated compared to the third brother. 2. Once the eldest brother becomes the King, what options will be available for his brothers? 3. Do the King's brothers get equal titles (Duke/Earl/something else) or does the youngest one get lesser title? Thank you in advance for answering!

Slightly better though not much. While the spare could be offered some better benefits such as precedence and better marriage prospects, the would mostly be lumped together.

They can be given roles within the kingdom. They might take up roles on the council such as John of Gaunt or go to war for their brother like Philippe d'Orleans (an actual queen). Most kings send their brothers to borders to protect them. Had Arthur Tudor lived, his little brother Henry (VIII) would have been Lord Of Ireland (y'know because they couldn't stop invading us for FIVE FUCKING SECONDS) and he would have "governed" the Pale, if fat bastard put down the turkey leg..... *i'm cool, i'm cool. Deep breaths*

Everyone is equal. Edward III carved out 5-6 new duchies for his sons making them all dukes and keeping them in the country.... Which did not bode well for England a hundred years down the line.