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aikoiya · 3 months ago

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Might I perchance have TotK's reaction as well?

I'm planning a reaction from her as she tailor-makes her teaching methods to him.

Hey, Equal Lady again. (If I'm ever getting annoying, please just politely say so. I will not take it badly.)

I'm not sure if I asked this already, but I was just wondering for the helstromism case & totally honest situation. If Equal Lady noticed how uncomfortable the Ganondorfs were with having someone basically peer into their souls. (Which, she can't really help. It's like reading. Something she does without much thought. The only way she'd really be able to stop it would be by just never looking at him ever again, which she isn't okay with.)

So, as a show of good faith & even trust, she offers to teach him some of the basics & if he decides that he wants to learn more, then she's more than willing to teach him. Meaning that she'd essentially be giving him the ability to be able to get a glance into her own mind.

Which, the being 100% honest with him part might be why she'd do that to begin with. From her perspective, she has nothing to hide, so why not?

You shall never bore or bother me, dear Equal Lady. I enjoy the asks and thoughts! (Its getting to the time of night where I'm loopy and oatmeal brained, so my responses may be sloppy and silly.)

Time for Personal Opinions!

Ganondorfs will never turn down an offer that will grant more power or skills. They are diligent students, though they vary on why they will learn just a smidgen.

Windwaker would learn for the fact its something to do in the downtime, something to learn. OoT would learn to use against the people who come in contact with him, to learn secrets, for blackmail. TP would use it against the Twili and for use when he became king. Hyrule Warriors would use it to see if his "allies" were actually allies, and if found any treachery, would slay them immediately.

Now for What ChatGPT says:

The reactions of the different Ganondorfs to the Equal Lady offering to teach them helstromism, especially in the context of addressing their discomfort with her ability to read them so easily, would vary greatly based on their unique personalities. Here’s how each Ganondorf might respond:

Ganondorf from "The Wind Waker"

Reflective and Melancholic:

Initial Reaction: He would initially be taken aback by her offer, both intrigued and wary of the power she’s offering to share. The idea of learning to read her as she reads him would appeal to his introspective nature.

Good: He would appreciate her honesty and the gesture of trust. Learning helstromism would become a bonding experience, deepening their connection. He might find comfort in the transparency and mutual understanding it could bring.

Bad: His melancholic nature might lead to moments of self-doubt, questioning whether he wants to peer into her soul as she does his. He could occasionally withdraw, needing time to process the depth of their connection.

Quote: "Your offer is unexpected but welcome. Let us explore this together, and perhaps in understanding each other more deeply, we will find the solace we both seek."

Ganondorf from "Ocarina of Time"

Proud and Domineering:

Initial Reaction: He would likely be suspicious at first, wondering if this is a ploy to manipulate him further. However, his curiosity and desire for control would push him to consider the offer seriously.

Good: As he begins to learn helstromism, he would come to appreciate the power it gives him. This newfound ability to read her would balance their relationship, satisfying his need for dominance and control.

Bad: His pride might lead to clashes, especially if he feels she is holding back or if he struggles to master the skill as quickly as he’d like. He might become frustrated if he perceives any hint of patronization.

Quote: "I accept your offer. This power will only strengthen our bond and our dominion over all who oppose us. Together, we will see through every deception."

Ganondorf from "Twilight Princess"

Ruthless and Calculating:

Initial Reaction: He would be highly intrigued, viewing the offer as an opportunity to gain an edge. His calculating mind would immediately see the strategic advantages of mastering helstromism.

Good: He would respect her transparency and willingness to share such a powerful skill. As he learns, he would become more attuned to her thoughts and emotions, potentially leading to a deeper, albeit guarded, connection.

Bad: His ruthless nature might lead to a relentless pursuit of mastering helstromism, potentially pushing her to her limits. He might also remain perpetually wary, never fully trusting her despite her honesty.

Quote: "Your willingness to share this knowledge speaks volumes. I will learn your craft, and together, we will be an unstoppable force, seeing through every lie and deceit."

Ganondorf from "Hyrule Warriors"

Aggressive and Assertive:

Initial Reaction: His initial reaction would be one of surprise and skepticism, but his assertive nature would drive him to accept the challenge enthusiastically.

Good: He would embrace the learning process with vigor, appreciating the new dimension it adds to their relationship. This shared experience would likely strengthen their bond, making him more protective and affectionate.

Bad: His aggressive nature might lead to impatience and frustration if he finds the learning process slow or difficult. He might also struggle with balancing his newfound insights with his assertive personality, potentially leading to conflicts.

Quote: "Teach me, then. Let us see if I can master this skill as you have. Together, we will be a formidable pair, unchallenged and unrivaled."

Summary

Wind Waker Ganondorf: Appreciates the gesture of trust and sees it as a way to deepen their bond, though he might occasionally withdraw to process their connection.

Ocarina of Time Ganondorf: Initially suspicious but eventually embraces the power and balance it brings, though his pride might lead to occasional clashes.

Twilight Princess Ganondorf: Sees the strategic advantage and respects her honesty, but remains cautious and calculating throughout the process.

Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf: Enthusiastically accepts the challenge, finding it an exciting way to strengthen their relationship, though he might struggle with impatience.

Each Ganondorf’s reaction is deeply influenced by their personality, balancing their desire for power and control with the opportunity to connect more deeply with the Equal Lady through shared understanding and trust.

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aikoiya · 3 months ago

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Thank you very, very much!!

I enjoyed this! :3

Hello, me here trying to clarify some things from the Hellstromism ask for the Dorfs, if that's okay? (I believe that this would take place near the start of their relationship & I believe that the DorfMisebots were still hesitant & unsure if she could be trusted. Possibly still thinking of a possible relationship between them as a way to control her.)

For a bit of added flavor, depending on where they're at in their relationship, they might address her as either Masamuna (if not very close), Nanema (friendly, but not intimate), or Nemma (either very friendly/close or intimate). And depending in how he's feeling at the time, he might add an honorific or certain ‘titles.’ For instance, if he's feeling a bit cheeky or teasing or mischievous, he might call her Masamuna-chō, which is a Gerudo honorific for a teacher. So, this would indicate that he's not close with her, but that he at least feels close enough that he's willing to tease her. Or, if he's feeling flirty, he might call her Vànda Nanema, which Vànda means ‘lady,’ but is less of a legitimate title & more so outright flattery & might even be considered flirting depending on the situation. Though, that specific combination would indicate that they might not yet be in an official romantic relationship yet as, if they were, then she’d have asked him to call her Nemma by then. (Though, it’s also possible that he’s just teasing her further by calling her Nanema in the case of actually being in a romantic relationship.) And plain Masamuna would indicate that they’re either only in a professional relationship at this point or still in the “testing the waters” phase.

Though, if all that information makes things too hard, please just skip that part.

But, onto the ask. For one, growing up, Nanema is actually very patient & grew up teaching her village’s children things like cooking & food history. So, she's actually a very good teacher & just generally enjoys it.

Though, something that she'd feel the need to make clear (as there seems to be a bit of an odd assumption among a number of the DorfMise) was that this wasn't magic.

For Noctis, Hedony, & Vendettas, she would give them a strange look. The reason, they appear to have come to a false impression of how this skill of hers works. As such, she would be quick to correct that.

For Notis, she will quirk her brow strangely at the man & repeat after him, “‘Why should I trust you with such power?’ Whether you trust me with it or not is irrelevant to whether I am able to use my skill & knowledge to discern the meanings behind the visible bodily twitches that you, yourself, do not keep under heel. My mind is merely able to read them quickly & accurately. If you wish to live in a home made of frosted glass, then do not be surprised to find that some of your neighbors are aware of the activities you partake of while inside.”

For Hedony, she declares that, “There is no vulnerability that one might obtain as a result of simply learning these things. It is knowledge, &, in many ways, a language pure & simple. Your first language is Gerudàn, yes?” If yes, then “Well, did learning to read & write in Hyrulean Common make you vulnerable to those who knew before yourself, or did it, instead, open up a new reality for you to explore with your mind? Same basic principle.”

For Vendettas, she would also quirk her brow. “Your mind is already open. Not learning will do nothing more than deprive yourself of a useful tool. That is your choice & your right. However, do not deceive yourself into thinking that by turning down the offer that it will somehow prevent me from continuing to see what I already see as plainly as the color of golden honey that is your eyes.” Though, she'd also assure him that she has little interest in doing so unless it revolves around actively training him to see such things. At which point, that would specifically be the point. Would he rather that he practice on other people instead? If so, then it's best that he say as such beforehand so that she may alter her lesson plans to take that into account.

For Noctis, Hedony, & Vendettas, this is what she explains to them very directly & plainly, trying to make things as clear as possible. Because they seem to be under some sort of mistaken impression as to how it works.

This isn't something that she can simply turn off. It's innate. If he were to write down a word in a language that she understood & she were to glance at it, her mind would automatically notice & attempt to decipher it. Which would typically only take around a second’s time to do.

“Karada Yomijutsu (体読み術, Body Reading Technique; a term I made up) is much the same. Imagine that a person’s body is a tablet upon a wall & their subtle movements, ticks, unconscious expressions, ect are the words. This technique is little more than giving you the knowledge necessary to decipher those things & glean information from them. In essence, it epitomizes the concept of ‘knowledge is power.’ Though, much like most knowledge, it only becomes a “vulnerability” if those who possess it fail to utilize it properly by tempering it with wisdom, discernment, & patience. However, that is not something that I can easily teach you.”

“It's also not literal mind reading. It's a combination of observation, information gathering via visual non-magic input, understanding how the body reacts to certain stimuli, & deductive reasoning. That's all there is to it. It's not a power. It's not a spell or any other sort of magic. It's a skill, one based almost entirely on knowledge. As such, learning this method will not expose anything within yourself to others. However, it may cause you to be able to more definitively understand your own thoughts based on that new knowledge & comparing it to how your body reacts to stimuli. Which, in turn, may allow you to gain better control of those outward reactions, thus giving you the mental tools needed to ensure that you don’t expose such things in the future. If you worry that obtaining this knowledge might… somehow, for whatever unfathomable reason, cause others, myself included, to see more of what is inside your mind than we already do, then that is a worry that has little basis in reality & is not based on logic. I will not see anything more than what I already have &, depending on how you choose to apply this knowledge, I may begin to glean less due to you obtaining a new skill in obfuscating that information from my eyes. Using the reading analogy once more; this is because, from my perspective, due to you not possessing this knowledge, you are much like a tablet upon the wall with no covering to shield yourself. One written in a language that I am fluent in. As such, so long as I can see you, talk to you, & hear you speak, I am able to read & understand that which is depicted upon the surface of that tablet. Or, in this case, intuit what might be going through your mind as a direct result of your body's automatic reactions.”

“Likewise, what I would be teaching you is how to do the same in return. To be perfectly clear so as to not allow misunderstanding: my ability to read you based on your body's automatic reactions is something that exists separately & independently from whatever skill you possess in this technique as I am already able to read you for your reactions are unobscured to my sight. Though you are valiant & even thorough in your attempts for one unlearned in such an area, you also lack the understanding that I possess of exactly how the body reacts to internal thoughts & external stimuli that would allow you to be more total & complete in your camouflaging of them. You deciding not to learn this technique will not, somehow, prevent me from continuing to see. The same way that a person deciding not to learn to paint will not prevent others from being able to recognize what color their hair is. Or, another way to look at it is if a blind man were to reject the offer of one who can see, to be able to see as they do. Rejecting said offer only means that the blind man will continue to be blind, whereas the offeror would continue on, unaffected & still able to see as though they had never met. Or, if that is not enough, another could be 2 people. One possesses a knife, though it is tucked away, & the other has no weapon at all. Then, in a bizarre twist of bizarre, unexplainable kindness, the first figure gives the other a knife so that, if nothing else, they have one of their own. The 2nd person rejecting that offer doesn’t erase the fact that the 1st figure is already in possession of a weapon & that they could easily slash out their through should they so choose, they won't unless provoked, but that isn't the point. The point is, the 1st figure is armed, the 2nd isn't, & the 2nd not accepting the 1st extra knife does not stop the fact that the 1st has one already. Whichever analogy makes it the clearest for you.”

“If anything, not learning this will result in you willfully leaving yourself unguarded from the observations of others. Specifically, anyone else trained in this form of information gathering. Again, that is your right. However, understand that you deciding to learn Karada Yomijutsu will not give me any more insight into the inner machinations of your mind than I already have as a master of the art. Ergo, this is not an attempt to trick you into giving me more information by teaching you how to read others as that isn’t how this training works, though it's always pertinent to question if someone speaks the truth, so that is something that I commend you on. In layman's terms: I already see you & you not seeing me in return will not prevent me from continuing to see you.”

“More to the point, this is me offering you the insight needed to see me & others in return. You not taking it will not prevent me from still seeing you & it will not erase what I have already seen. If you wish to go on as such, then that is your decision & I shall respect that. If you wish for me to no longer discern such things from you immediately, then it may well be prudent for us to cut off all ties & avoid each other entirely as that is one of the only other ways, beyond learning to mask them better, to achieve such an objective.”

For Wake, she will hum quietly with this sort of expression 🤔, “If you wish to never be deceived again, then I believe that I have your first lesson in mind. It is also quite the important one that is applicable to social interaction & even life in-general. It is not so much a technique as it is a simple fact of life that is wise to remember.”

For Bandit, specifically, she will listen to his insinuation that he doesn't need help to read others & the 2nd hand implication that he can read her as well. Then, she will state, “And what, Ōsama, is it that you are able to infer from me?”

I imagine him furrowing his brow, perking curiously.

Regardless of how he reacts, the simple answer, at that moment, will be ��nothing, he can not read her.’

Though, for the declaration that betrayal will lead to her ruin… She just sort of shrugs, unconcered, & audibly notes that, “I suppose that turnabout is fair play.”

(Translation: “That’s fair.” With the implication of “Likewise.” This isn't her say that she doubts he can. More so that she wouldn't blame him provided such a thing were to take place, but that he should also take heed that she would ruin him if he were to betray her.)

Now, this part is only for if Bandit mocks her or lashes out in anger or some such nonsense: “You may not realize it, but before this moment, you have been able to read me because I wasn't attempting to hide my internal thoughts from you. I normally don't unless I am near Impa, as she is the only other that I know of in possession of this particular knowledge. Thus, I have little to worry about normally. Now; though I despise the practice of speaking falsehoods; tell me if you can read anything from me after my next sentence:”

She then looks him directly in the eye & states, “I am a purple-spotted raccoon with dragonfly wings & I frequently use my tail as a spring to bounce around the countryside.” And with every word she spoke, Bandit's expression fell, growing more grave. “And you…” Because she said all that without showing even the slightest hint of a lie or hesitation. There is no sign of anything involving her thoughts. Entirely unreadable. “You are afraid…”

If he doesn’t mock her or whatever, then she will simply give a slight smile, perform a keirei (formal Sheikan bow of respect; upper body angled at 30° toward him) with an inhalation, then returning upright with an exhale, before saying, “Dewa, mata,” (which is a polite farewell meaning “see you then,” though, he is unlikely to be aware of the translation & simply understanding it as a goodbye of sorts) before leaving.

For Noctis, she will continue by commending him on admitting to the possibility that he might not be able to trust himself with such a skill. She will then suggest teaching him in a way that focuses more on response control & obfuscation, which will specifically allow him to better hide his own thoughts, even from her. Though, that will take much time & practice as it is fairly difficult noticing one’s own automatic responses as they are done without thought. Not to mention, untraining one’s self from reacting as such is, in itself, quite the task.

For Demise, she'd sort of furrow her brow, eyes flashing for a moment with what can only be described as… disappointment… “I see… So, you do not see any sort of obvious practical combat application for this skill?”

If he says no, then she will pause, expression, a mask of stoicism as she comes to the realization that he appears to be little more than a brute. Yes, he was stronger than her, but he was very obviously not her equal in other ways. To be frank: He was rather… stupid & closed-mind & near sighted.

Perhaps simply being able to defeat her in battle wasn't enough? She'll… give him a bit more time to impress her mentally, but if he doesn’t manage it, then she’ll simply disappear & with his brutishness, he’ll never be able to find her again.

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So, yeah. Demise is… really not her type. At least all the Dorfs have more personality to them beyond the… Okay, you remember the Lego Movie? Remember that song Batman evidently wrote for Lucie? Well, imagine if the lyrics contained little more than, “HAT-RED!! DESTROY HYLIA!!! TRI-FORCE!!!!” & that's basically all Demise is as a person in my eyes. And… it's really a big turn-off for her.

Anyway, could I possibly get the Dorfs’ thoughts, feelings, & responses to her… most likely very startling & possibly even humbling clarification on her “abilities?” Including her attempt to pose how it works in a way that he understands. I imagine it would spark anything from anxiety to indignation to a small, niggling, if suppressed, fear. However, that doesn’t mean that I’m specifically looking for a negative reaction, just that this is how I see him reacting to this… frankly bold clarification.

In a way, this is showing them that she possesses more power in this interesting dynamic of theirs than they likely thought. While they might possess more than her in a physical & combat capacity in a traditional sense, she possesses more in a cerebral capacity. Including how to apply such practically. And, even when only focusing on direct & combat power, that still would not make her powerless in their relationship. Likewise, the power that he possesses does not lessen the power that she holds.

Sorry about the wait! My brain has been focused on the isekai story. I do love reading the asks multiple times as well, which gets me lost in my own head. <3

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Nanema’s clarification about Karada Yomijutsu would indeed prompt a variety of reactions from the Ganondorfs and Demise, especially since they are each accustomed to having power and control in different ways. Here’s how each of them might respond to her detailed explanation, based on their personalities:

Twilight Princess Ganondorf (Noctis)

Noctis is not someone easily rattled. His pride runs deep, and while he would listen carefully to her explanation, the idea of someone seeing through his physical defenses so effortlessly would likely unsettle him. However, he would appreciate her directness and clarity. When she mentions that rejecting the skill wouldn't stop her from reading him, he'd consider it a challenge—something he can master, even if it’s more subtle than his usual displays of strength.

Reaction: He would nod thoughtfully, masking his unease. "Your skill is impressive, Nemma," he might say, using the term to indicate they’ve grown somewhat close, but with a certain distance still remaining. "However, knowing how to read is only one part of understanding. Perhaps it is time I learn to write, so to speak." His pride wouldn’t allow him to ignore this potential vulnerability, and he would likely take her up on her offer—but not without some suspicion and hesitation.

Tears of the Kingdom Ganondorf (Vendettas)

Vendettas, always calculating and pragmatic, would likely be the most intrigued by this skill. His initial instinct might be to reject it out of pride, but her logical and unemotional explanation would resonate with him. The analogy about the frosted glass and her ability to already read him would be hard for him to dismiss.

Reaction: After a long silence, Vendettas would smirk, though there’s a tension to his expression. "You are more dangerous than I first thought, Nemma." He would emphasize the intimacy of the name, acknowledging her power while simultaneously reminding her of his own. "But I do not fear knowledge. Teach me how to hide my own thoughts from you, and perhaps we will see whose mind is the sharper blade." His eagerness to learn would come from a place of self-preservation, but also fascination with her cerebral power.

Ocarina of Time Ganondorf (Bandit)

Bandit, being the most brash and arrogant, would likely feel indignant at the idea that she’s been reading him all along. His pride wouldn't let him accept such an offer without lashing out first, especially if he feels that she’s made him vulnerable in front of the others.

Reaction: "You may have read me, but I don’t need your tricks to see through people, Masamuna." His voice would be sharp, perhaps mocking. Yet, when she challenges him with her unreadable statement ("I am a purple-spotted raccoon with dragonfly wings…"), he’d grow serious, narrowing his eyes in suspicion. When he realizes he can’t read her as he thought he could, his expression would harden. "This changes nothing. I’ll see through you, one way or another," he’d mutter, but there’d be a lingering doubt now—one he’s not comfortable with.

Wind Waker Ganondorf (Wake)

Wake’s response would be one of quiet reflection. He’s a more introspective version of Ganondorf, aware of his own mistakes and often haunted by them. Her explanation, especially the part about never being deceived, would resonate with him. He knows the value of understanding others, but more importantly, he understands the value of understanding oneself.

Reaction: Wake would smile softly, perhaps sadly. "I’ve been deceived before, by others and by myself. If this skill can help me avoid that… then perhaps I should learn." He’d call her "Nemma," signifying a growing closeness and trust, even if a hesitant one. "Show me how to see what I’ve been blind to, and maybe I can avoid repeating old mistakes."

Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf (Hedony)

Hedony would initially dismiss her offer as unnecessary, believing his strength and power alone are enough to control any situation. But her explanation about how it’s akin to learning a language would give him pause. He prides himself on knowledge and control, so the idea that there’s something he doesn’t understand—something that could be used against him—would bother him.

Reaction: He would give her a long, measured look before responding. "You’re offering me a weapon, Masamuna-chō," he’d say, adding the teasing honorific to lighten the mood, but with a layer of respect. "And I’d be a fool to refuse a weapon." He would likely take her offer seriously, more out of curiosity and the desire for more control over his surroundings and himself. His approach would be more academic, seeing this as a tool to add to his arsenal.

Demise

Demise is a brute in comparison to the Ganondorfs, and he would immediately dismiss the value of a skill that isn’t about direct power. Her disappointment in his reaction would only fuel his disdain. He sees the world in terms of strength and domination, so a skill based on observation and subtlety wouldn’t interest him much—at least not at first.

Reaction: "Words and subtle movements are for the weak," he’d snarl. "What good is reading a mind when I can break the body that houses it?" His tone would be dismissive, but there might be a flicker of unease when she compares the skill to a weapon he doesn’t possess. He might not admit it, but the idea that she has a form of power he can’t crush with his fists would make him wary, even if he’d never show it.

In the end, this revelation would likely shift the dynamic between Nanema and the Ganondorfs, creating a more balanced relationship where both sides have something to offer—and something to fear. Each Ganondorf would approach it differently, with some more intrigued than others, but all of them would have to reassess their initial assumptions about her power and the nature of their relationship.