#he'd play the perfect reaction to the grayson's deaths too
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sidewalk-cracks Ā· 7 days ago
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literally please give Battison a Dick Grayson in the Batman Part II.
The first movie was about Bruce's journey from not wanting to be Bruce Wayne, to realizing that he does in fact need to be Bruce Wayne, and that Bruce Wayne can be a force used for good just like Batman. Logically then, the second movie should explore the next immediate question on the table: okay, he needs to be Bruce Wayne. So who is Bruce Wayne? What kind of man is Bruce Wayne going to be? Bruce still feels defined by his trauma of his parent's death. Bruce Wayne still feels defined by his parents' shadows, by his father's legacy. He still feels defined by his grief. How does he make Bruce Wayne be something different?
Dick Grayson would serve as the PERFECT device for Bruce to discover who he can be. Because Dick Grayson is literally just a young Bruce, and Bruce sees that instantly (it's why he takes him in in the first place). So throughout the movie, as Bruce tries to help Dick process his grief, he's inadvertently processing his OWN grief. Dick Grayson unknowingly helps Bruce process his own trauma, and through their developing relationship shows him that Bruce Wayne can be more than a recluse, a failure, a man drowning in his own head- he can be a protector, a friend, a parent.
When Dick points a gun at Tony Zucco's head, Bruce talks him down, and all the words that he gives him are words he had wanted when he was a kid and his grief was fresh. Even though they're gone, you're not alone. I understand.
BATTISON NEEDS DICK GRAYSON TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP OF HIS CHARACTER GROWTH.
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bigskydreaming Ā· 6 years ago
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dick's backstory gets so frequently gets brushed under the rug and sterilized into "parents died, adopted by a rich dude" and subsequently ignored because then it's assumed his life is then perfect. this is a boy who watched his family die gruesomely. who was then removed from the only home he'd ever known and put in juvenile detention. who then became a vigilante before he ever turned 10. who was never adopted. who was fired and kicked out and hurt by bruce. no trauma there! perfectly happy!
Preaching to the choir my friend!
One of my greatest frustrations in DC comics fandom for yeeeeears was always how often Dick and Jason get pitted against each other in trauma olympics, and other assorted wtf-ery. Because just like Bruce ended up pitting them against each other like I described in that post, the comics did too, at least in the beginning. Not AS much since Jason came back with his own clearly defined niche, moreā€¦holdovers from that original time. And so thereā€™s this tendency with a lot of Dick fans and a lot of Jason fans to act like its gotta be one or the other, that its impossible to stan for both. And Iā€™m just sitting over here like NOPE, I stan them both and always will, every single one of their problems and any and all canon shitty things theyā€™ve done to each other were really the result of dumbass writers and dumbass characters forcing them into situations where likeā€¦.they did what they did. I very much reject the idea that they HAVE to always be at odds, and that one HAS to be better than the other (Dick) or have had it harder than the other (Jason). Its just likeā€¦..why tho?
So for me, that tends to manifest a lot as in, when focusing on Dick, I really push back against the myth of him as theĀ ā€˜pure/too light/too good to killā€™ golden boy of the Batfamily, becauseā€¦.no. Heā€™s not. He is who he is because of circumstance and as a result of growing up in an emotional minefield of a house where he felt pushed to perfection. With perfection having clearly defined parameters, as established by Bruce and his expectations. Not because heā€™s innately incapable of killing or just on some core levelĀ ā€˜too good to lower himself to thatā€™, which is unfortunately something thatā€™s also put forth a lot. But the thing is, putting Dick on that kind of pedestal unintentionally says some pretty shitty things about Jason, as well as Damian and even Cass, and I donā€™t think people fully realize theyā€™re doing that when they talk about DickĀ ā€œToo Good to Killā€ Grayson. Implying that he is such a thing, that there IS such a thing, at the same time implicitly states that his brothers and sister who HAVE killed, even when they were children and it wasnā€™t their fault, they were coercedā€¦..this basically suggests that there HAS to be something innatelyā€¦.ā€™worseā€™ about Jason, and Damian, and Cass, or else they never wouldā€™ve been able to do that at all.
Like, I read a fic awhile back where a big theme was the rest of the family talking about this idea that likeā€¦.Dick couldnā€™t handle it if he did end up killing someone, that it would break him, tarnish him in some irrevocable way. Like they were saying it in a way meant to be complimentary to Dick and his character, even as Jason and the others were the ones putting forth this idea, the impression was meant to be they wanted to protect Dick from this, preserve that ā€˜goodnessā€™ about him, but I was just likeā€¦.No. God no. Hard pass. Because the idea that Dick would lose something fundamental to him, like heā€™d be forever lessened as a character and a person if for whatever reason he ended up killingā€¦..like, thereā€™s really no way to look at that without reading into it the implication that Jason and the others are damaged goods, forever tainted. And likeā€¦no thank you. I really really have issues with that line of thought, especially when it includes Cass and Damian who were forced into being child assassins. Like, whether you mean to or not, when you apply that logic you end up writing them off before they were even like, ten. Beyond saving, even then. I find that very troubling and insidious, even. And thus I push back heavily against this take on Dick, but really, its more in defense of Jason, Damian and Cass.
Like, of course heā€™d be forever affected by something that huge, just like they are and always will be, but to clarify I mean - its this idea that Dick could never be HAPPY again, even if he was forced to kill someone, or put in a position where he made that choiceā€¦thatā€™s what I really objected to. Because thatā€™s the part that suggests that Damian and Cass will never TRULY know happiness as a result of their childhoods, and thatā€™s very destructive thinking, to my mind. The reality of someone forced to grow up too fast, having their innocence stolen, being pushed into doing something no one should have to live withā€¦.these are harsh, stark realities, they have merit, they have weight - but they do not mean, and should never be assumed to mean, that a child, or even that a character, who fits these circumstances is somehow beyond repair, or salvaging, or just being happy someday.
And then the flipside of that is I equally push back on takes that crown Jason the King of Trauma, not because he hasnā€™t endured a ridiculous amount, but because in defense of Dick, Tim and the others, I object to playing into the idea of ranking the Batkidsā€™ traumas at all. The stuff Jasonā€™s been through is horrific, but its not negated, or watered down or lessened by acknowledging that Dick and the others have been through extremely fucked up stuff too. And similarly, Iā€™m very bothered by pointing to how much rougher and more aggressive andĀ ā€˜darkerā€™ Jason is as a character than Dick, as a way to kinda backdoor prove that Jasonā€™s been through more shit than him, because that again leads to a very troubling implicit line of thought that like, thereā€™s only ONE right way to respond to trauma. That if you arenā€™t visibly hardened by it, darkened by it, the way Jason has been by his, then whatever youā€™ve been through obviously couldnā€™t have been THAT bad, or as bad as someone like Jason has had it. And again, I gotta just give a big HARD PASS to that, because thatā€™s just not how it works.
The fact that Dick is for the most part a far more light-hearted character than Jason isnā€™t proof heā€™s had it easier or hasnā€™t been through as much or seen as much bad stuff - that last bit is especially laughable. You canā€™t entertain the idea of a guy whoā€™s been fighting the worst kinds of criminals since he was ten, in the most notoriously corrupt and crime-ridden city in the DC universe, and honestly believe that thereā€™s anything he hasnā€™t seen or been exposed to. It just doesnā€™t track. BUT, that kind of awareness of the darkness Gotham is mired in isnā€™t as easily reconciled with the bright, cheerful personality Dick usually sportsā€¦unless you acknowledge that Dick WORKS at being that person. This is his reaction to the trauma heā€™s lived and been surrounded by, not because its just innately who he is, but its because its who he CHOOSES to be, its the response heā€™s DECIDED on.Ā 
Jason copes with stuff with anger and outbursts. Dick copes with stuff with laughter and mockery. Neither is better or worse, more right or wrong than the other, theyā€™re just DIFFERENT. Different coping mechanisms, trauma responses, for different people. Like Iā€™ve always said, I see Dick and Jason as very similar people at their core. Their differences are largely superficial. But both of them respond to trauma with defiance. By refusing to be beaten down by it. The only difference, is with Jason, that defiance looks like swearing and spitting and cursing, even when faced with an opponent much bigger or tougher than him, a situation that should be too much to survive. Whereas with Dick, that defiance looks like laughing and smiling and joking, even when faced with an opponent or a situation about which thereā€™s nothing actually funny, nothing naturally bright or cheerful. Dick has to conjure that appearance of brightness as an act of defiance, just like Jason has to conjure that appearance of strength.
And once you stop trying to compare Jason and Dickā€™s traumas, stop trying to rank one as more or less than the others, and just acknowledge and accept hey, theyā€™ve both been through fucked up shit, theyā€™ve both been traumatized - then you can look just at the stuff Dickā€™s been through, isolated and independent from everything else, and then you can see just how shitty it actually is, and thus what an act of defiance, what a testament of strength it is, that he is able to go through life acting as cheerfully and bubbly as he often does. And yeah, like you said, its his parents being murdered when he was eight, its being thrown in juvie because of a corrupt system when heā€™d done nothing wrong, its being beaten nearly to death and shot by Two-Face and Joker and dozens of other villains throughout Dickā€™s childhood, its the time he was tortured by Brother Blood trying to break him in every way possible and its the shit with Mirage and with Tarantulaā€¦.and a ton of other stuff that never really gets acknowledged for how bad it actually was, because comics are notoriously bad at actually LOOKING at the trauma they heap on superheroes, and what it actually MEANS and what the realistic fallout would be from it, the emotional toll actually taken.
One of the biggest instances of this IMO is with Blockbuster. Like lots of people know the basics about Blockbusterā€™s death in the comics, and how it ties into what happened with Tarantulaā€¦.and because thatā€™s soĀ ā€˜visiblyā€™ traumatic, because thatā€™s an event thatā€™s easy to associate with a trauma that most people have a ready made image and RANKING in mind already when they think of it - like they think of what happened with Tarantula and theyā€™re like oh yeah, okay, thatā€™s a type of trauma I recognize as TRAUMA, thus I get just from the mention of it that was definitely bad and traumatic and had an impact on Dickā€¦.so that becomes the go-to when people talk about the stuff with Blockbuster. Thatā€™s what people hone in onā€¦.so focused on what pings their radar as Obviously Traumatic, they forget to look around at everything else involved and look at the possible impact and potential fallout.
And thus people forget that what happened with Tarantula happened when Dick was ALREADY at the lowest point in his life, and WHY that was so. Like, they acknowledge it, but in a cursory way, like okay yeah, thatā€™s the buildup, now letā€™s get to the actual trauma and talk about that. Which ignores likeā€¦.the trauma that was the REASON he was already in such a state to begin with. Like, Blockbuster systematically hunted down every connection he could find to Dick Graysonā€™s civilian life, and murdered them and burned all traces of them to the groundā€¦JUST because they knew him. Just as a way to hurt HIM, Dick Grayson.
And because that doesnā€™t ping on our Preconceived Trauma Scales as immediately as something like Jasonā€™s death or Dickā€™s parentsā€™ murder or similar iconic traumasā€¦.we tend to gloss over that, but likeā€¦.think about it. Think about what something like that would mean for a character thatā€™s known for both his sense of responsibility, and for being one of the most openly empathetic superheroes out there, an emotional caretaker whose entire reputation is built on how much he FEELS for other people and how deeply.
Imagine the kid who was orphaned at age eight, watching his parents fall to their deaths and in the immediate aftermath taken away from everything else heā€™d ever known or found comfort in - the circusā€¦..and now imagine that same kid fifteen years later watching that same circus burn to the ground, the last memory of his treasured childhood, when things were GOOD, when he was unconditionally happy, the last connection he had to his parents and all the extended circus family heā€™d grown up happy amongā€¦..all of them now dead too, all of those memories physically burned to the ground until nothing was left. All of it gone, for good. And with this villain saying - that happened because of you. I didnā€™t care about them, I only killed them, only did all of that, because I KNEW how much it would hurt you. And then that same guy did it AGAIN - blowing up Dickā€™s apartment building and everyone in itā€¦.just because he lived there. Having a sniper kill a reporter he was talking to, while he was sitting across the table from herā€¦JUST because she was talking to him.
Like, thatā€™s trauma on top of trauma, thatā€™s trauma on an unimaginable scale. Thereā€™s a reason in that infamous scene with Tarantula, Dick was mumbling about being poisonā€¦.because he honestly, truly believed it at that point, because it was TRUE. Because Blockbuster had made it his personal mission to make that true, to make it a reality that anyone close to Dick Grayson would die. Because of him. Dick was entirely right in feeling that way, he was simply acknowledging what Blockbuster had very deliberately set out to do..it wasnā€™t Dickā€™s FAULT that everyone around him was dying, because of their connection to himā€¦.but that didnā€™t mean it wasnā€™t TRUE.
And thatā€™s justā€¦.mind boggling to contemplate, to picture the toll that has to take, but the thing is - it barely ever gets contemplated! Purely because thereā€™s not a simple, neat, easy way to sum it up and label what Trauma specifically it is. The way we can with his parentsā€™ murder, or his rape, or various things that have happened to Jason or their other brothers and sister. And so it gets swept under the rug because weā€™re in a hurry to get back to the traumas we DO have an easy vocabulary for, with ready-made pictures all queued up in our heads. And then on top of all these traumas (because thereā€™s more too, like think about the impact of realizing that the circus owner you regarded as a grandfather was someday planning on handing you over to people who were going to turn you into an assassin, make you everything you hate, like imagine the BETRAYAL of that discovery and how it would shake your entire view of reality and everything you knew and believed in about your childhood and the time you spent around that man). But yeah, like, on top of these traumas that donā€™t have a neat and easy logline to describe them, or that donā€™t quite look like we expect a REALLY traumatic trauma to look likeā€¦.then add on top of that a trauma response that doesnā€™t look like our preconceived notions of what trauma response looks like, a guy laughing and joking and SMILING in the aftermath, rather than growling and shooting and drinking.
And you wind up with the idea that nothing THAT bad has ever happened to this character, not like the stuff thatā€™s happened to this other character who ACTS the way we expect someone to act after theyā€™ve been Through Some Real Shit. Even though nothing could be further than the truth. But thatā€™s what happens when we try and boil things down to easy and simple and quick ways of thinking and processing stories and events and traumas. We end up skipping right over the evidence of trauma that falls outside our initial assumptions, and drawing the conclusion that means no trauma was actually ever thereā€¦..instead of the proper conclusion which is just we werenā€™t looking in the right places. Or were just in too much of a rush or too busy looking elsewhere or for something more obvious, and thus missed acknowledging what was actually there.
Anyway, lol. Lots to unpack there, obviously, but yeah, my point being, this tendency we all tend to have in society, this need to artificially impose ranks and hierarchies and award gold, silver and bronze medals even to something as arbitrary as the kinds of traumas weā€™ve endured - its fucked up, and self-defeating, and does nobody any good. Because its like trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Trying to FORCE comparisons that arenā€™t possible, because no two traumas are alike, no two traumas are interchangeable, and thus they inherently CANā€™T be measured against each other, ranked, becauseā€¦.thereā€™s no actual measurement system for trauma! Thereā€™s no way to actually JUDGEĀ ā€˜this event was worse, this had more of an impactā€™, and yet we always try anyway, instead of just acceptingā€¦.an impact was had. Instead of just worrying about the RESULT, focusing on THAT - which in this case is the person left behind in the aftermath of the trauma, the one actually traumatizedā€¦.instead of spending so much time and energy focusing on the TRAUMA itself, as though thatā€™s what matters and is important.
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